Your Past, Your Shame, and Your Peace

Skinski7 · Jun 18, 2017

That's true Tommy, the rebellion has to stop.

James wrote...

Jas 1:21 Wherefore lay apart all filthiness and superfluity of naughtiness, and receive with meekness the engrafted word, which is able to save your souls.
Jas 1:22 But be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves.

The requirement of us is that we lay aside our rebellion to God in order to receive the implanted word. The word cannot take root in a rebellious heart which is why Jesus spoke of the seed taking root in an "honest and good" heart (Luk 8:15).

Godly sorrow works a repentance unto salvation (2Cor 7:10-11) through which the former sinner is yielded wholeheartedly to God. This is why repentance is ptoven by deeds (Act 26:20). If there is no associated change of action then there was no repentance.

Grace is the divine influence of God upon the heart and faith is faithfulness and fidelity to God. Thus "grace through faith" is the WORKING DYNAMIC which manifests the love of God in our hearts.

What the false teachers have done is strip ghis dynamic from the Gospel and redefine "grace through faith" to be the appropriaton of an abstract position, thus salvation is not a MANIFEST state of being to these people, but is rather an abstraction in which they are only righteous in POSITION. This is why they can argue in favour of ongoing sin service in salvation.

Multitudes of people have fallen for this deception and they worship an IMAGE of Jesus and have unknowingly recieved the mark of operating in the flesh as opposed to the stamp of God of operating in the Spirit.

If we walk in the Spirit we do not fulfil the lusts of the flesh (Gal 5:16), those lusts are crucified (Gal 5:24) and we have escaped the corruption in the world through lust (2Pet 1:3-4).

Denominational professing Christianity is a hoax. God is calling those with honest hearts out of it.

The truth is simple. Repent and believe. Yield wholeheartedly to God and be quickened (made alive) by the Spirit (Eph 2:5). Then walk in that Spirit, keeping yourself in the love of God (Jud 1:21) with patient endurance unto the end.

Grace777x70 · Jun 18, 2017

Grace777x70 said:

In the meantime - while we are learning how to life from the life of Another in us. Gal. 2:20 & Col. 3:3 - our loving Father does not send His beloved children to hell because they are baby Christians as Paul talked about in 1 Corinthians. See post # 10 - as some sinless perfection in the flesh types say.

Their own religion condemns them as being a child of the devil according to their own interpretation of some scriptures.

http://christianchat.com/bible-disc...r-past-your-shame-your-peace.html#post3143927

Let's preach and teach the love and grace of God in Christ so that the true Christian will have the proper nutrients to grow up in Christ and manifest His life so that others can see the love and grace our loving Father and Lord have for them.

oldethennew · Jun 18, 2017

tourist said:

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His 'forgiveness is Supreme, His Judgment is inevitable...

JOHN 8:26,
If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge
that the things that I write unto you are the Commandments of the Lord.

ROM. 1:32.
Who knowing the Judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death,
not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.

ROM. 14:10.
But why dost thou judge thy brother? or why dost thou set at nought thy brother?
for we shall all stand before the Judgment Seat of Christ.

11COR. 5:10.
For we must all appear before the Judgment Seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things
done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.

HEB. 9:27-28.
So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for Him shall He appear
the second time without sin unto salvation.

JAMES 2:13.
For He shall have Judgment without mercy, that hath shewed no mercy; and mercy rejoiceth against Judgment.

1PETER 4:17.
For the time is come that Judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us,
what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God?

REV. 14:7.
Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to Him; for the hour of His Judgment is come:
and worship Him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters.

REV. 20:4.
And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them:
and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for The Word of God,
and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads,
or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

Skinski7 · Jun 18, 2017

Jesus taught...

Mat 16:24 Then said Jesus unto his disciples, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me.
Mat 16:25 For whosoever will save his life shall lose it: and whosoever will lose his life for my sake shall find it.

There must be a DEATH before there can be LIFE.

The Cross is not something we "trust in," rather it is something we PARTAKE in. Jesus taught...

Joh 12:23 And Jesus answered them, saying, The hour is come, that the Son of man should be glorified.
Joh 12:24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except a corn of wheat fall into the ground and die, it abideth alone: but if it die, it bringeth forth much fruit.
Joh 12:25 He that loveth his life shall lose it; and he that hateth his life in this world shall keep it unto life eternal.
Joh 12:26 If any man serve me, let him follow me; and where I am, there shall also my servant be: if any man serve me, him will myFather honour.

The false teachers have perverted the Cross into being a SUBSTITUTION which eliminates the death of ghe old man and subsequent rebirth of the new. The substitution instead provides a POSITION of justification which is disconnected from the manifest condition of the heart. This is why people in the system think they are getting "saved IN their sins" and not "saved FROM their sins." They think they are in a "saved position" whilst they are yet "manifestly wicked" still sinning everday. Godliness is therefore presented in the context of "sinning less" as God cleans them up over time.

What is actually rejected is HEART PURITY in salvation. There simply is no heart purity (1Pet 1:21) and thus the faith (Act 15:9) they profess does not work by love (Gal 5:6)?because they still work ill (Rom 13:10), even though they profess Jesus (Mat 7:21-23).

[video=youtube;RtigS1ToZMA]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RtigS1ToZMA[/video]

Grace777x70 · Jun 18, 2017

Man's heart was corrupted with the mystery of iniquity that entered into man-kind through Adam's transgression and it is passed on through the blood which is one of the reasons why Jesus had to be born from the Holy Spirit to by-pass the blood of man contaminating Him.

In the OT man's heart was desperately wicked because people were still "in Adam". The heart is the old man that was in Adam but now that Christ has came - we believers have a new heart. We have a new man of the heart now in Christ.

Get this wrong and we create a doctrine of a "new evolution" instead of a new creation in Christ. We create an works-based humanistic mindset that actually denies the work of the Lord Jesus Christ.

In the next post I will show that believers in Christ have a new heart now. I believe the understanding of this is vital to growing up in the Lord. We need to get our "identity" which is being one spirit with Christ correct.

Grace777x70 · Jun 18, 2017

All born-again Christians are pure in heart. It's the same reason why all water is wet. It's the very nature of it.

Thank God that the gospel of the grace of Christ has given us believers a new heart which is pure because it is in Christ!

I believe that scripture teaches that we have new hearts now in Christ as a new creation in Him.

In the Old Testament David cried out prophetically - looking into this New Covenant and sais - "Create in me a clean heart O God". Jesus Himself says to "clean up the inside of the cup and the vessel will be clean".

We don't need to search our hearts for wrong things - we need to have our minds renewed to the truth of Christ living in us now.

It's the flesh that "speaks" to us as all the "works" in Gal 5 are from the flesh. We are not "in the flesh" as Paul says in Romans 8:9 - but we are "in the Spirit" - our inner man in Christ.

We need as Christians to learn to live from this new heart that was "created" in us because of Christ's finished work for us.

I firmly believe we are confusing the "desires of the flesh which still has the law of sin in it" ( Romans 7:23 ) and wrongly calling it our heart.

We have been circumcised with the circumcision of the heart - called the circumcision of Christ and the body of flesh. Col 2:11. This is also called "being sealed by the Holy Spirit" Eph 1:13

The Holy Spirit "cut away" ( as in physical circumcision ) the body of the flesh from the inner man who is in Christ - the new creation - created in righteousness and holiness. Eph 4:23

Here are the reasons why I believe we Christians have a new heart now in Christ and not a corrupted heart. We need to learn how to live from this new heart which is where Christ is in us as one spirit by the Holy Spirit.

The believers new heart in Christ is created in righteousness and holiness: First it was prophesied in the Old Testament.

Ezekiel 36:26 (NASB)
[SUP]26 [/SUP] "Moreover, I will give you a new heart and put a new spirit within you; and I will remove the heart of stone ( old man ) from your flesh and give you a heart of flesh. ( new man in Christ )

Romans 2:29 (NASB)
[SUP]29 [/SUP] But he is a Jew who is one inwardly; and circumcision is that which is of the heart, by the Spirit, not by the letter; and his praise is not from men, but from God.

By grace we have been given a new heart that is obedient.

Romans 6:17 (NASB)
[SUP]17 [/SUP] But thanks be to God that though you were slaves of sin, you became obedient from the heartto that form of teaching to which you were committed,

God cleaned house and moved in. God will not dwell in unrighteousness. God through the Holy Spirit is in our inner man now.

Ephesians 3:16-17 (NASB)
[SUP]16 [/SUP] that He would grant you, according to the riches of His glory, to be strengthened with power through His Spirit in the inner man,

[SUP]17 [/SUP] so that Christ may dwell in your hearts through faith; and that you, being rooted and grounded in love,

God sealed us and gave us the Holy Spirit in our new hearts.

2 Corinthians 1:22 (NASB)
[SUP]22 [/SUP] who also sealed us and gave us the Spirit in our hearts as a pledge.

We have the Spirit of God's Son in our hearts now.

Galatians 4:6 (NASB)
[SUP]6 [/SUP] Because you are sons, God has sent forththe Spirit of His Son into our hearts, crying, "Abba! Father!"

God has cleansed our hearts by faith.

Acts 15:8-9 (NASB)
[SUP]8 [/SUP] "And God, who knows the heart, testified to them giving them the Holy Spirit, just as He also did to us;

[SUP]9 [/SUP] and He made no distinction between us and them, cleansing their hearts by faith.

We love from our hearts now as it is pure.

1 Timothy 1:5 (NASB)
[SUP]5 [/SUP] But the goal of our instruction is love from a pure heart and a good conscience and a sincere faith.

2 Timothy 2:22 (NASB)
[SUP]22 [/SUP] Now flee from youthful lusts and pursue righteousness, faith, love and peace, with those who call on the Lord from a pure heart. (this is a believer in Christ..hang around them )

1 Peter 3:4 (NASB)
[SUP]4 [/SUP] but let it be the hidden person of the heart, with the imperishable quality of a gentle and quiet spirit, which is precious in the sight of God.

There are more but this should work to show that the believer has a new heart in Christ.

We still have the flesh to deal with in our bodies and we are admonished to not to yield to that...but all that is a different subject.

We are learning how to walk by the life of Another that is in us now in our new creation - in the meantime our loving Father does not send His beloved children that are babies in Christ to hell as is falsely taught in the sinless perfection in the flesh false doctrine.

Zi · Jun 18, 2017

Do you not see that what you've said means the old is gone.. why do you believe not sinning is impossible? The old is gone that involved you in sin so what keeps you in it?? It would be a choice to continue, which is willful after being cleaned..

Grace777x70 said:

willybob · Jun 18, 2017

BillG said:

The bible doesn't teach you have to be as perfect as Jesus..That's your straw-man that you lift up to defend daily sin..But rather the bible teaches to be perfect, (moral uprightness, mature, and obedient to the knowledge one possess from heart purity), just like Job was perfect..Not as perfect as Jesus was.........this is why Job was declared to be perfect> he was free from the vile sins of the flesh that Paul said would disqualify one from the kingdom, because he feared God and hated evil.......None are free from ignorance, knowing all things, and as perfect as God..So if you are asking me if I have departed from the vile sins of the flesh, Yes...why would anyone remain there..Sin is completely illogical, unintelligent, and not of a sound mind..

Zi · Jun 18, 2017

Your posts are phenomenal.. Thanks for sharing.. May God get glory from this and eyes be opened

Skinski7 said:

Jesus taught...

Mat 16:24 Then said Jesus unto his disciples, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me.
Mat 16:25 For whosoever will save his life shall lose it: and whosoever will lose his life for my sake shall find it.

There must be a DEATH before there can be LIFE.

The Cross is not something we "trust in," rather it is something we PARTAKE in. Jesus taught...

Joh 12:23 And Jesus answered them, saying, The hour is come, that the Son of man should be glorified.
Joh 12:24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except a corn of wheat fall into the ground and die, it abideth alone: but if it die, it bringeth forth much fruit.
Joh 12:25 He that loveth his life shall lose it; and he that hateth his life in this world shall keep it unto life eternal.
Joh 12:26 If any man serve me, let him follow me; and where I am, there shall also my servant be: if any man serve me, him will myFather honour.

The false teachers have perverted the Cross into being a SUBSTITUTION which eliminates the death of ghe old man and subsequent rebirth of the new. The substitution instead provides a POSITION of justification which is disconnected from the manifest condition of the heart. This is why people in the system think they are getting "saved IN their sins" and not "saved FROM their sins." They think they are in a "saved position" whilst they are yet "manifestly wicked" still sinning everday. Godliness is therefore presented in the context of "sinning less" as God cleans them up over time.

What is actually rejected is HEART PURITY in salvation. There simply is no heart purity (1Pet 1:21) and thus the faith (Act 15:9) they profess does not work by love (Gal 5:6)?because they still work ill (Rom 13:10), even though they profess Jesus (Mat 7:21-23).

[video=youtube;RtigS1ToZMA]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RtigS1ToZMA[/video]

Skinski7 · Jun 18, 2017

Grace777x70 said:

You are a very deceived individual teaching that which you know not.

Adam's transgression cannot be passed on through blood. Sin is not something that is physical. That kind of thinking originated in Gnosticism which in turn was a development of Plato's theory of forms. Matter was percieved as evil whilst the higher plane was viewed as pure.

You are really an adherent to ancientgnostic philosophy which has been redressed in biblical terminology. You didn't learn it from the Bible but the traditions of men.

The reason Jesus was born of a virgin was to fulfil prophecy, not to bypass some genetic sin disease.

Isa 7:14 Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.

Mat 1:22 Now all this was done, that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying,
Mat 1:23 Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.

You won't find what you teach in the Bible. Instead it comes from Augustine a fourth century bishop.

[video=youtube;KVQ1t5i058Q]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KVQ1t5i058Q&t=3153s[/video]

Grace777x70 · Jun 18, 2017

Romans 5:12-14 (KJV)
[SUP]12 [/SUP] Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:

[SUP]13 [/SUP] (For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law.

[SUP]14 [/SUP] Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come.

Psalm 51:5 (KJV)
[SUP][/SUP] Behold, I was shapen in iniquity; and in sin did my mother conceive me.

David's mother was a virtuous woman - this is not talking about her "sinning".

Skinski7 · Jun 18, 2017

Grace777x70 said:

Death passed upon all men, not sin.

The death that passed upon all men is because all men sinned.

Paul is speaking of spiritual death wrough by rebellion to God, not some inherited sin disease. Look at the words of James...

Jas 1:14 But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed.
Jas 1:15 Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death.

Death is the result of allowing oneself to be drawn away by temptation where lust concieves sin. This is what occured with Eve...

Gen 3:6 And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it waspleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat.

This is why the genuine Christian has done this...

Gal 5:24 And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.

You reject the crucifixion of the flesh with the asdociated passions and desires because you view sin as a flesh disease inherited from Adam. Original Sin denotes "inability" and redefines repentance to be a "confession of sinfulness." This is why you argue in favour of ongoing sin in salvation, you actually believe sin literally indwells human flesh.

You have been deceived by gnostic philosophy that is dressed up as Christianity. All you have is bullet points to respond with, that is why you cannot actually engage me in dialogue on specifics. That is why you ignore the plain words found in 1John chapter 3. All you can do is go in circles with your bullet points in an endless cycle of repetition. Who are you really fooling?

As for Psalm 51:5 it states that David was "born in sin" not that "sin was born in David." We are all born into a sinful wicked world.

Sin is moral, not physical. Sin is an act of the will as it pertains to decrying virtue and choosing vice. This is plain common sense. What you advocate is not only unbiblical but absurd also.

Stop and think about it. I know an emotionsl attachment to a long held position can be strong but is it not time to be honest?

Grace777x70 · Jun 18, 2017

Paul says that sin does dwell in the body of the flesh. Let each one be fully convinced in their own minds with the revelation they have now about the finished work of Christ.

Romans 7 shows the two conflicts that are going on in a believer. One is not real them ( not their true nature ). The flesh even though it stems from the corrupted Adamic influence in the world is now not the real us.

When we die and go to be with the Lord - the flesh is not coming with us!...selah

The flesh and the law of sin in our body - it wages war against the real us in Christ. Romans 7:14-22

The flesh is ways to think and act that "were" the manner of living we had when we were in Adam but now are left over the old man died on the cross with Christ. ( Eph 4:22 - in reference to your former manner of living )

Romans 7:17-18 (NASB)
[SUP]17 [/SUP] So now, no longer am I ( the new man in Christ ) the one doing it, but sin which dwells in me (in my body which has the flesh with the power of sin in it ).

[SUP]18[/SUP] For I know that nothing good dwells in me (my body which has the flesh in it ), that is, in my flesh; for the willing is present in me ( in my new man ), but the doing of the good is not.

Romans 7:20-23 (NASB)
[SUP]20 [/SUP] But if I am doing the very thing I ( new man) do not want, I ( new man ) am no longer the one doing it, but sin which dwells in me ( the law of sin in the flesh).

[SUP]21[/SUP] I find then the principle that evil is present in me (new man ), the one who wants to do good.

[SUP]22 [/SUP] For I joyfully concur with the law of God in the inner man, ( new man in Christ),

[SUP]23 [/SUP] but I see a different law in the members of my body, waging war against the law of my mind and making me a prisoner of the law of sin which is in my members.

italics = ( my words )Then Romans chapter 8 comes in and shows us how to walk according to the Spirit and not the flesh to put to death the deeds of the body ( flesh in the body ). Rom 8:13

We are not fighting a civil war within ourselves ( the flesh and the law of sin do not belong to our new nature which in Christ. ). Jesus said " A house divided will not stand."

We do not have "2 selves" we have the true self in Christ and we still have the flesh. Even though the flesh manifests "itself" with "its" lusts through our bodies - it is not the real us in Christ.

We are still responsible for the deeds done in the body as they will affect our life here on this earth and we are to yield our members to the righteousness that is in us in Christ.

Sin is destructive and will destroy us and those around us if we don't walk by the Spirit - our true selves in Christ because Christ is joined to our spirit and His life will bear fruit on us the branches.

The Holy Spirit transforms us as we behold the glory of the Lord as in a mirror and we participate in this with Him "For it is God who is at work in you both to will and to do of His good pleasure." Phil. 2:13.

Sinning in all it's forms is deceitful and distorts our view of our loving Father, ourselves and others.

We have such a great salvation in our Lord Jesus Christ! Let's keep our eyes on the Lord and not the circumstances of life. Peter walking on the water is a perfect picture of the true Christian life.

In the meantime be assured that our loving Father does not send His beloved babies in Christ to hell. That is a false doctrine from the pit of hell.

Grace777x70 · Jun 18, 2017

The understanding of the circumcision of Christ where the new creation in Christ is "cut away" from the flesh is a life changing revelation of the wonderful awesome work that our Lord did when we died with Him on the cross and rose again to being a new creation - joined as one spirit with Him for eternity - sealed by the Holy Spirit who raised Jesus from the dead.

The truth is that Jesus has already saved us from our sins. If we don't know that - then a lot of the good news of what Jesus did will be a blurr to us.

We will end up searching for sin in our lives constantly and I have news for all of us. There will be sin in our flesh until we get rid of theses bodies.

We will be constantly trying to clean up the flesh but the only way to not fulfill the lusts of the flesh is by the Spirit in us.

That is why the circumcision of Christ is imperative to understand in order to grow up in Christ.

Abraham's circumcision was a shadow of being circumcised in Christ now from our flesh. We are cut away from the flesh and our inner man of the new creation - our new spirit created in righteousness and holiness in Christ.

What do we do with the old flesh that is cut away? We throw it out and you can not have it put back on as it is dead. The same goes for our spiritual circumcision in which our flesh is cut away from our inner man - the spirit where Christ dwells.

We are completely sealed by the Holy Spirit within our spirit in our circumcision in Christ.

Understanding spiritual circumcision is important to get a revelation of the new creation in Christ now and to the understanding that our new hearts are pure now because our heart and Christ are one spirit - created in righteousness and holiness - by the incorruptible seed of God which abides forever.

When scriptures talk about the circumcision ( cutting away from) of the heart and of the flesh - it is 2 sides of the same coin.

Romans 2:29 (NASB)
[SUP]29[/SUP] But he is a Jew who is one inwardly; and circumcision is that which is of the heart, by the Spirit, not by the letter; and his praise is not from men, but from God.

Colossians 2:11 (NASB)
[SUP]11[/SUP] and in Him you were also circumcised with a circumcision made without hands, in the removal of the body of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ;

One day we will have this corruptible body put on immortality with a new body free from sin and death. Thank you Jesus!

In the meantime we are learning how to walk by the spirit so that we don't fulfill the lusts of the flesh to do "it's" desires.

Let's preach Christ and His grace and love - which knowing His love is the fullness of God - and then the true believer in Christ will have the proper nutrients to grow up in Him.

And lead a life filled with the fruit of His life being manifested in and through us to a hurt and dying world that needs to know the love and grace our loving Father and Lord have for them.

Skinski7 · Jun 18, 2017

John wtote the following to refute the gnosticism in his day...

1Jn 3:6 Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.
1Jn 3:7 Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.
1Jn 3:8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
1Jn 3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
1Jn 3:10 In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.

Those words are very powerful in refuting the gnosticism in our day.

Whosover is born of God does not commit sin.

That is a statement of fact made by John whom was taught directly by Jesus.

Why would people in the modern day reject John in favour of the preachers who teach that the sin never stops? Can we be so naive and foolish?

I know what I write is not popular bug didn't Jesus say that FEW would be saved and that MANY would ptofess His name yet work iniquity?

Mat 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
Mat 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
Mat 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

None of this is hard to understand. It is plain self evident truth to anyone whom is honest.

Jesus taught...

Mat 7:24 Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock:
Mat 7:25 And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell not: for it was founded upon a rock.
Mat 7:26 And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand:
Mat 7:27 And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell: and great was the fall of it.

DO DO DO!

HEAR AND DO!

How hard is that to understand?

"Not of works" doesn't mean "not of doing."

"Not of works" pertains to works done apart from God, works of the law, rites, ordinances etc. None of that saves a soul.

What saves a soul is a heart yielded to the divine influence of God through God's Spirit brings forth a total teansformation of character, His love shed abroad in the heart. A heart genuinely established in the love of God will not be producing the fruit of sin, it cannot.

sin is rooted in a defiled heart. Is not that what Jesus taught?

Luk 6:45 A good man out of the good treasure of his heart bringeth forth that which is good; and an evil man out of the evil treasure of his heart bringeth forth that which is evil: for ofthe abundance of the heart his mouth speaketh.

If your heart is not pure you are not saved.

Anyway that is my contribution gor the day.

Be well all.

Grace777x70 · Jun 18, 2017

I said this a few times before and I will say it again..the natural mind of man cannot see the realities of the new creation in Christ.

It will constantly be trying to refute the new inner man created in righteousness and holiness and it will be complete foolishness to it and "appear" to be gnostic. This is where they come up with having to "maintain" their salvation for going to be with the Lord.

One of the reasons gnostics were birthed is because of the truth the apostles were talking about in the new birth in Christ - the new man circumcised with the hand of God in separating the flesh from the inner man in Christ...aka the circumcision of Christ. The natural mind of man took over and created their own "reality" - apart from Christ.

This isn't even remotely close to true believers in Christ. Everything to do with the new creation is because we are "in Christ" and Christ is in the true believer. Paul talked about the true believer being in Christ in some form 140X times in his letters.

willybob · Jun 18, 2017

Original sin is the core center of all the false doctrine...Adam could choose to sin before the fall, and he could choose to sin after the fall..nothing changed except now the corrupting influence of sin had entered into the world, and could be passed on through the generations by influence..what we did inherit from Adam is our flesh genetics, just as Jesus did,,flesh has no sin, for it is the soul that sinneth it shall die...Sin is not as mysterious malady lurking within the flesh, it has no atomic weight, it has no molecular structure, nor can it be seen under a microscope, and is most assuradley not a THING in terms of genetics, but rather an action set in motion by the hearts desire to rebel against ones own knowledge of the truth..It's not Adams fault that most are sinners, but rather by their own self-made habitual nature are the lusts fulfilled therein. Hence, since Adam, man has been born into a world of sin (babylon), therefore we have inherited the consequences of Adams sin for sure, but not his sin..Infact, we suffer the consequences of all sin since Adam, and by sinning we add to the consequences that others will suffer..Part of the consequences we inherited from Adam is death of the body and infirmities therein.

willybob · Jun 18, 2017

furthermore, Jesus spoke of sin abundantly, and never once did He confront those and say its because you were born that way> surely He would have not overlooked that detail if it were true...But no, He addressed sin as a willful choice to rebel against God...He never once said to anyone; you know you are a sinner because you were born that way,,,Infact that notion is dismissed in the story of the young man and the pool of Salom...

Grace777x70 · Jun 18, 2017

Here is what Vine's describes this "law of sin" that is in the flesh - acting through the members of our body when we yield to it.

"a governing principle or power, e.g., Rom. 6:6; "(the body) of sin," here "sin" is spoken of as an organized power, acting through the members of the body, "

this governing principle is personified, e.g., Rom. 5:21; Rom. 6:12, 14, 17; Rom. 7:11, 14, 17, 20, 23, 25; Rom. 8:2; 1 Cor. 15:56; Heb. 3:13; Heb. 11:25; Heb. 12:4; Jas. 1:15 (2nd part);

Vine's Expository Dictionary of Old Testament and New Testament Words.

The very first mention of sin - God talks about it as if it is an "organized power" - "it's" desire is for you.

Genesis 4:7 (NASB)
[SUP]7 [/SUP] "If you do well, will not your countenance be lifted up? And if you do not do well, sin is crouching at the door; and its desire is for you, but you must master it."

Make no mistake about it...there is a mystery of iniquity at work in the world and it's origin is from satan.

Here is a short 6 minute video which will help to look at this subject.

[video=youtube;bNdsZt8rthw]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bNdsZt8rthw[/video]

willybob · Jun 18, 2017

it seems there are a few here that contend so greatly in favor of sin that they must be locked in basement somewhere 24/7 without a life in order to make this many continuous contentious posts 24/7...i dont know if ive ever encountered anything like it, having this much tenacity to contend against holiness..sometime i ask myself; do they even stop to eat, or sleep..is this their whole life?

oh, and i noticed the ever popular masonic-wisdom coded in the blue background too, that goes completely unnoticed by the untrained eye..

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