Your Past, Your Shame, and Your Peace

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That is just empty rhetoric and unsubstantiated opinion.

The Bible says...

1Jn 3:8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.

He that commits sin is of the devil. That is a pretty vlear statement.

Likewise...

1Jn 3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
1Jn 3:10 In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.

Any truly born of God does not commit sin. A very straightforward statement.

Both the children of God and the children of the devil are MANIFEST in regards to what they actually do.

Very simple stuff.



Hello MR. CON met MR.TEXT
 
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The death of the flesh itself is the original death that passed on to us all from Adam. HEBREWS ;9; 27; And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment. The old world before the flood had not the law,that is why they were so corrupt., but could not be punished for their sins at that time. there was no law broken,because there was no law..that is why death reigned from Adam to Moses. once the law was written, all was held accountable for their sins.God's grace to save mankind was in the making from Moses to Jesus. He preached to the living and the spirits in hell,sparing no one from the Gospel,then the old world was held accountable.
thank you Gabriel, if I might clarity, those from Adam to Moses were under the law of the conscience, (a law unto themselves) either accusing them or excusing them such as the Gentiles were, Romans 2-14,15..............God judged those on this premise...many, if not all the 10 commandments can be found in the book of Genesis, such as when Joseph did not want to do the great wickedness of fornication and sin against God, Gen. 39-9....Thou shalt not kill in Gen. 9:4-6. Ham's generations were cursed for not honoring his father in, Gen 9-25. The curse was carried for generation after generation in Ham's decedents (Cush Nimrod and the tower of Babel) as the evil influence of sin was passed down through those people, and on to the Amorites etc...God only judges man in accordance to knowledge possessed therein .And to whomsoever much is given much is required, Luke12..God also judges in accordance to what a person could have known, but chose to be willingly ignorant instead (stupid of purpose), hence ignoring his conscience, and ignoring the soon coming judgement of God, such as Peter speaks of in 2 Peter 3. 0f the which he warned not to return to the pig pen of sin, or one's own vomit like dogs...

hope this helps, God bless you, and keep contending for the faith wrought in holiness
 
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this generation hates those who are holy and live godly through God's grace. and eventually as time passes these are the types who will bring persecution on the faithful servants of obedience, been that way all down through history. Just like the Puritans did to the Friends....The Catholics to the Waldensians, Luther did to the Anabaptists, they have the venom of serpents and it can be seen in their godless remarks...the real persecution to come is going to come from the church, not Islam. Right now there are laws restraining such activity, but that will fade in the future as the church and the gov. become more and more corrupt, and proceed further into globalism, (the leaven of the Pharisee's and Herod that Jesus warned of), they will demand their pound of flesh based on TOTAL FEAR, just like the Jews did with Jesus..they are deathly afraid of those who live godly and righteously, in that others might also seek to follow them and want to live godly too, thus just as with the Pharisees, they will ask themselves, "what will become of us", and its been that way ever since.. Cain the murderous one, is the signature of apostate Christianity, (mark of the beast), and Abel the righteous one, is the signature of the true Christian faith once delivered to the saints, marked by God Ezek. 9, Rev 14.....The sinners hate the saints and despise holiness..
 
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One of the main reasons Jesus was hated was because he preached and taught against the Traditions of men,and the world itself . something they wasn't about to give up. tradition, riches, power, and authority. They did not want to change the way they believed and the way they did things.
 

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no, all is solved by coming clean with God, ending the rebellion, done through a season of godly sorrow not to be regretted called "the baptism of repentance" see 2 Cor. 7-11. THEN God sees the motives of the heart. and if sincere, He dispenses His mercy and forgiveness and the said person is justified through reconciliation via the mercy seat of God, that being our intercessor Jesus Christ...this whole process is of good works, your first good work is obedience to the truth.. There is no boasting in coming clean with God and being a child of obedience, having put to death the old man of selfish motives,..sadly, many are very jealous of those who have become true children of obedience, but remember this truth, the wrath of God still abides on the children of disobedience...... .hope this helps

The things you wrote here can only be done by Christ living in and through us. You can't do this yourself. Coming clean with God is about having Jesus Christ as your righteousness and He gives that to us as a gift. You can't earn that by your works. A godly sorrow is not like a human sorrow where like Judas., you try and solve your sin problem by showing God how realllllly sorry you are. And that by some way your works of sorrow gain you some kind of "in" with God.

Judas tried that and he ended up killing himself... the ultimate act of being so sorry he tried to atone for his own sins by sacrificing his own life to "show" God how reeeeallllllllly sincere he was in his sorrow and remorse. Judas like many religious people didn't understand that all the sorrow and remorse in the world no matter how sincere, won't get any points with God. God only sees Christ. And if you don't have Christ., you are doomed.

The only "in" we have with God is our identification with Christ as "sons" born again in the Spirit. We go in His righteousness given to us as a gift. Repentance is about changing our mind by agreeing with what God says about Himself. God isn't looking at our heart when we look for His forgiveness., He has already looked and when He sees the blood He will pass over you.

How very sad it is when man tries to gain his own right standing with God by anything he may do or say or "feel" Does God care about how many tears we cry? No., Does God care about our "sincerity"? No., because all the sincere feelings and tears in the world don't equal right standing with God. God the Father already gave us a solution for our sin problem and the solution is the righteousness found in Christ and when we received that righteousness as a gift and not by trying to earn it by our working for it and being good enough for it.

Your solution for sin skinsky doesn't work as you try to go up another way and get others to go with you. There is no other Way but by Jesus Christ. Jesus said I am the Way, the Truth and the Life. No man comes to the Father but by Me.

 
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this generation hates those who are holy and live godly through God's grace. and eventually as time passes these are the types who will bring persecution on the faithful servants of obedience, been that way all down through history. Just like the Puritans did to the Friends....The Catholics to the Waldensians, Luther did to the Anabaptists, they have the venom of serpents and it can be seen in their godless remarks...the real persecution to come is going to come from the church, not Islam. Right now there are laws restraining such activity, but that will fade in the future as the church and the gov. become more and more corrupt, and proceed further into globalism, (the leaven of the Pharisee's and Herod that Jesus warned of), they will demand their pound of flesh based on TOTAL FEAR, just like the Jews did with Jesus..they are deathly afraid of those who live godly and righteously, in that others might also seek to follow them and want to live godly too, thus just as with the Pharisees, they will ask themselves, "what will become of us", and its been that way ever since.. Cain the murderous one, is the signature of apostate Christianity, (mark of the beast), and Abel the righteous one, is the signature of the true Christian faith once delivered to the saints, marked by God Ezek. 9, Rev 14.....The sinners hate the saints and despise holiness..
no they hate the fakes, who think they are holy and righteous of their own good deeds, yet judge others like they are poor sinners. Instead of out of love, giving them hope.. (the gospel)

They Hate religion.
 
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How the past is but a thief when it lays sorrow in the present. The truth of what once was hidden as like a skeleton in a closet. Yet here I am, to tell you that there is no need to have such a closet. Its time for renovations! The past as bleak and dark that it may have been, with past transgression is just that. The past. It is a thing behind us, but if we let it, it will rob us and others. Shame. Hindering us as we mope about, feeling as if in each encounter with another soul we must place a mask upon the real self. Not true. The past is not the present you, the shame you feel need not be!

You see, there is no confession that needs to be made. No dark truth to be revealed. It is not their business and neither is it yours. Do not occupy yourself with what you were, but occupy yourself with who you are. Today is a new day. The sins of the past forgiven, and nearly forgotten in that they should not hold a stronghold upon your identity in the present. Do not let what once was, rob what is now. What matters is the present. Who are you today? Where is your love today? Would you today act in the same way that you did then? Be not ashamed. That is no longer you.

Now, you may wonder how wicked your mind and heart may be, to think that just maybe you might act in the same way. Possibly you still struggle with sins of the past. Have hope! God sanctifies, He sets free and gives liberty! The things that bind you, He has the strength to unbind. The chains around you, He can break. Simply know that you have been made new. God loves you. You are His child. What struggles you have are but opportunities for Him to show you His greatness and mercy. Don't see your problems as hopeless, rather see it as an opportunity to see God's glory.

Rid yourself of shame. This day is, again, a new day. You are not your past, but are here in the present. Sanctified by God, ever growing. Do not identify with your past transgression, rather identify with who God has called you to be. Walk in that reality, as this is who He has created you to be. To love. So this day, this moment, be just that. Think not upon the darkness of what you were, but be in the present, presenting yourself as who you are now. Not then. Once more, if the present isn't who you'd like to be, have hope. God sanctifies. This is where peace settles in.
Great message Ben, God bless.
 

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To equate thst stuff with going over the speed limit is foolishness dnd is just an attempt to create an impossible standard whereby you can give a pass for fornication becsuse you give a pass to speeding. Pure foolishness and if you are honest you know it.
What a joke.

Why on earth do people like you assume that people who acknowledge they sin therefore use is as an attempt to fornicate, I've heard others say murder, homosexuality and so on.

It seems to me that you are the one trying to create an impossible standard.
You seem to say that we do not sin as beleivers and if we do then we are children of the devil.
whilst you are it why don't you tie a millstone round their neck and throw them into the lake of fire.

Or better still why don't you leave that up to Jesus when he will judge all people and separate the sheep from the goats.

THE MAJORITY OF BELEIVERS WHO ADMIT THEY SIN DO NOT USE THE GRACE OF GOD AS PASS TO SIN.

If they do we then go through Romans 5-8 with them.

Even John notes that a believer will sin

1 John 5:16-17


If anyone sees his brother sinning a sin which does not lead to death, he will ask, and He will give him life for those who commit sin not leading to death. There is sin leading to death. I do not say that he should pray about that. All unrighteousness is sin, and there is sin not leading to death.

So rather than place heavy burdens on people manifest the fruit of the spirit in you of which the greatest is LOVE
 
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thank you Gabriel, if I might clarity, those from Adam to Moses were under the law of the conscience, (a law unto themselves) either accusing them or excusing them such as the Gentiles were, Romans 2-14,15..............God judged those on this premise...many, if not all the 10 commandments can be found in the book of Genesis, such as when Joseph did not want to do the great wickedness of fornication and sin against God, Gen. 39-9....Thou shalt not kill in Gen. 9:4-6. Ham's generations were cursed for not honoring his father in, Gen 9-25. The curse was carried for generation after generation in Ham's decedents (Cush Nimrod and the tower of Babel) as the evil influence of sin was passed down through those people, and on to the Amorites etc...God only judges man in accordance to knowledge possessed therein .And to whomsoever much is given much is required, Luke12..God also judges in accordance to what a person could have known, but chose to be willingly ignorant instead (stupid of purpose), hence ignoring his conscience, and ignoring the soon coming judgement of God, such as Peter speaks of in 2 Peter 3. 0f the which he warned not to return to the pig pen of sin, or one's own vomit like dogs...

hope this helps, God bless you, and keep contending for the faith wrought in holiness
Greetings, Gabreil2020
I would like to add that the gospel of John speaks of the law of the conscience as well. John 1-9 Jesus is the light (light of conscience) that lighteth every man that comes into the world... all are born with a base level of reasoning capacity to know to do good on a general level..Isaiah 1-18 speaks of sinners, and it says they have this ability to reason with God, that they should be cleansed..God always judges according to capacity as well...Cornelius and Lydia are two Gentile examples in the text of obedient persons, and just in the eyes of the Lord, even before the gospel came to them, as according to the law in Romans 2-14,15. They were not in rebellion against their own natural conscience light engrafted therein , thus not in rebellion to God..

Both of these beautiful souls gladly received an increase of the Spirit when they received the gospel..Does this mean they didn't need the Messiah and salvation? no.They were just more than ready to move forward in their already obedient lives according to the capacity given therein, and receive an increase of the Spirit. Im sure they had many sins of ignorance that they knew not, but God doesn't hold that against them until they are revealed through (chastisement/teaching), and then if they are rejected they are.... Cornelius and Lydia are godly examples of persons who already had a circumscribed heart, and were very pliable to being led by the Spirit.....that's all God is seeking after, Her is not unreasonable. Man who insists he must stay ion his sin is the one who is unreasonable....again, Isaiah 1-18 "come let us reason together, says the Lord"...Faith is the active participle of applying our natural God given reasoning ability to come clean with Him. again; "He is the light that lighteth every man that cometh into the world" (the natural light of conscience reasoning dispensed therein by God Himslef)......................be blessed always,
 
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What a joke.

Why on earth do people like you assume that people who acknowledge they sin therefore use is as an attempt to fornicate, I've heard others say murder, homosexuality and so on.

It seems to me that you are the one trying to create an impossible standard.
You seem to say that we do not sin as beleivers and if we do then we are children of the devil.
whilst you are it why don't you tie a millstone round their neck and throw them into the lake of fire.

Or better still why don't you leave that up to Jesus when he will judge all people and separate the sheep from the goats.

THE MAJORITY OF BELEIVERS WHO ADMIT THEY SIN DO NOT USE THE GRACE OF GOD AS PASS TO SIN.

If they do we then go through Romans 5-8 with them.

Even John notes that a believer will sin

1 John 5:16-17


If anyone sees his brother sinning a sin which does not lead to death, he will ask, and He will give him life for those who commit sin not leading to death. There is sin leading to death. I do not say that he should pray about that. All unrighteousness is sin, and there is sin not leading to death.

So rather than place heavy burdens on people manifest the fruit of the spirit in you of which the greatest is LOVE
the bible speaks of both willful rebellion, and sins of ignorance, this is well expressed in Hebrews and the epistle of John...Even the day of atonement in the old testament was not for willful sin, but was only for sins of ignorance...Job had several sins of ignorance, but did not a engage himself in the wilful vile sins of the flesh that Paul said would disqualify one from the kingdom.That's why he was said to be righteous and perfect by God.... look it up, and investigate the day of atonement,...be blessed in your searching
 
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Great message Ben, God bless.

Walk in that reality, as this is who He has created you to be. To love. So this day, this moment, be just that. Think not upon the darkness of what you were, but be in the present, presenting yourself as who you are now. Not then. Once more, if the present isn't who you'd like to be, have hope. God sanctifies. This is where peace settles in.

This is true Ben, and thank you kindly...I should like to point out that this statement supports the doctrine of manifest reality, (1 John 3-9), and not a positional-realm of substitution that most here in the easy grace camp subscribe to...Glad you are seeing this truth of manifest reality, be blessed in your studies..

PS..God doesn't see things as an enigma, but rather as what they are, and that's reality...
 
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Now, you may wonder how wicked your mind and heart may be, to think that just maybe you might act in the same way. Possibly you still struggle with sins of the past. Have hope! God sanctifies, He sets free and gives liberty! The things that bind you, He has the strength to unbind. The chains around you, He can break. Simply know that you have been made new. God loves you. You are His child. What struggles you have are but opportunities for Him to show you His greatness and mercy. Don't see your problems as hopeless, rather see it as an opportunity to see God's glory.


This is true also Ben, however this cannot take place while one is still in rebellion, they must first come clean with God in repentance through a season of godly sorrow not to be regretted, 1 Cor. 7-10,11, Proverbs 28-13 .............be blessed
 
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the bible speaks of both willful rebellion, and sins of ignorance, this is well expressed in Hebrews and the epistle of John...Even the day of atonement in the old testament was not for willful sin, but was only for sins of ignorance...Job had several sins of ignorance, but did not a engage himself in the wilful vile sins of the flesh that Paul said would disqualify one from the kingdom.That's why he was said to be righteous and perfect by God.... look it up, and investigate the day of atonement,...be blessed in your searching
There are no sins of ignorance, we sin because we chose to sin...
 

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the bible speaks of both willful rebellion, and sins of ignorance, this is well expressed in Hebrews and the epistle of John...Even the day of atonement in the old testament was not for willful sin, but was only for sins of ignorance...Job had several sins of ignorance, but did not a engage himself in the wilful vile sins of the flesh that Paul said would disqualify one from the kingdom.That's why he was said to be righteous and perfect by God.... look it up, and investigate the day of atonement,...be blessed in your searching
Hi willybob

Thank you for your reasoned response and expressing your point.

I am aware of what you are talking about as I have looked into myself.

I think where I get upset is when people come accross as saying we do not sin and if we do then we are children of the devil.
That as believers if we knowingly sin even if it's not habitual sin we use that as an excuse to sin with the vile sins of the flesh.
If the issue that some people have is habitual sin with no regard to it and no repentance then state that.

Now even having said that if we know of people who are caught up in habitual sin (and we need to very careful that we ourselves are in a position to help) then John says come alongside and restore a brother.

If we do and they refuse our help because they have no wish to stop then it's time to let them get on with it.
However some may have a sin issue, like I did with gambling. I hated it asked God every day for help. Cried myself to sleep with it, hated getting up in the morning. I didn't want to gamble but this is the truth, I found myself gambling and I didn't even know I was. That may seem weird but I found myself on the slot machines and don't recall the walking into the place.

It was only when I realised that actually God loves me and that I'm not a dirty useless so and so and that he only loves me when I didn't gamble.

When I realised that he actually loves me and wants to help me was it then that he healed me from my gambling.
I must say this though and I don't want to upset anyone here but there was a reason why I gambled.

Briefly, never knew my dad, mum fell pregnant with me. Shameful for a Muslim family. I wrecked her life. Not once in my 14 years living with her did she tell me she loved me. I never knew what mood she would be in. She used to beat me quite badly.
Through me out when I was 14. I was taken in by a foster family, Christian one. Spent the next 5 years haveing my foster dad sexually abusing me.

Now part of my process here was that God had to heal me first of the above in order to then deliver me from my addiction or habitual sin.

One of the points I want to make is not to write people off because we probably have no idea what is going on behind the scenes, what the drivers are. We have a duty as brothers and sisters to come along side.

Finally I would also like to say that when Jesus judges on judgment day he says

Matthew 25:33-36
And He will set the sheep on His right hand, but the goats on the left. Then the King will say to those on His right hand, ‘Come, you blessed of My Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world: for I was hungry and you gave Me food; I was thirsty and you gave Me drink; I was a stranger and you took Me in; I was naked and you clothed Me; I was sick and you visited Me; I was in prison and you came to Me.’

We are also judged on the above.

What use is it if we can keep the law, not fall the vile sins of the flesh if we fail in the above?

Please believe me but I am one who wants to be like Jesus, I ask for help every day, I ask if I get it wrong and don't know it let me know, I do know it I come before him, hold my hands up, I do say "Sorry I got it wrong, please help me"

i am not greasy gracer but also I will not condemn someone as child of the devil if they struggle with a sin issue or occasional known sins.

Hope I make sense.

God bless you mate.
 
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Hi willybob

Thank you for your reasoned response and expressing your point.

I am aware of what you are talking about as I have looked into myself.

I think where I get upset is when people come accross as saying we do not sin and if we do then we are children of the devil.
That as believers if we knowingly sin even if it's not habitual sin we use that as an excuse to sin with the vile sins of the flesh.
If the issue that some people have is habitual sin with no regard to it and no repentance then state that.

Now even having said that if we know of people who are caught up in habitual sin (and we need to very careful that we ourselves are in a position to help) then John says come alongside and restore a brother.

If we do and they refuse our help because they have no wish to stop then it's time to let them get on with it.
However some may have a sin issue, like I did with gambling. I hated it asked God every day for help. Cried myself to sleep with it, hated getting up in the morning. I didn't want to gamble but this is the truth, I found myself gambling and I didn't even know I was. That may seem weird but I found myself on the slot machines and don't recall the walking into the place.

It was only when I realised that actually God loves me and that I'm not a dirty useless so and so and that he only loves me when I didn't gamble.

When I realised that he actually loves me and wants to help me was it then that he healed me from my gambling.
I must say this though and I don't want to upset anyone here but there was a reason why I gambled.

Briefly, never knew my dad, mum fell pregnant with me. Shameful for a Muslim family. I wrecked her life. Not once in my 14 years living with her did she tell me she loved me. I never knew what mood she would be in. She used to beat me quite badly.
Through me out when I was 14. I was taken in by a foster family, Christian one. Spent the next 5 years haveing my foster dad sexually abusing me.

Now part of my process here was that God had to heal me first of the above in order to then deliver me from my addiction or habitual sin.

One of the points I want to make is not to write people off because we probably have no idea what is going on behind the scenes, what the drivers are. We have a duty as brothers and sisters to come along side.

Finally I would also like to say that when Jesus judges on judgment day he says

Matthew 25:33-36
And He will set the sheep on His right hand, but the goats on the left. Then the King will say to those on His right hand, ‘Come, you blessed of My Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world: for I was hungry and you gave Me food; I was thirsty and you gave Me drink; I was a stranger and you took Me in; I was naked and you clothed Me; I was sick and you visited Me; I was in prison and you came to Me.’

We are also judged on the above.

What use is it if we can keep the law, not fall the vile sins of the flesh if we fail in the above?

Please believe me but I am one who wants to be like Jesus, I ask for help every day, I ask if I get it wrong and don't know it let me know, I do know it I come before him, hold my hands up, I do say "Sorry I got it wrong, please help me"

i am not greasy gracer but also I will not condemn someone as child of the devil if they struggle with a sin issue or occasional known sins.

Hope I make sense.

God bless you mate.
Thank you sir most kindly.

When you say occasional known sins, are you speaking of occasional deliberate false witness to destroy someones character, occasional adultery by cheating behind the wife's back, occasional deliberate theft, occasional pedophilia, occasional drunkenness, occasional fornication, occasional gossip and tale-bearing, these are things that Paul said if one does these things will disqualify one from the kingdom..

I'm posting a video on heart purity,..I dont necessarily agree with this person on all points of doctrine, however, he himselff says to no receive anything from him without first receiving it with the whole council of God, otherwise place it on the shelf, and study it approve yourself to God...This person has helped me immensely

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CAYjN5vjuzY
 

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There are no sins of ignorance, we sin because we chose to sin...
we sin in ignorance when we sinned and were not aware if it, we sin wilfully when we commit a known sin

A young Christian has less of a conception of sin that an old one who is 'closer' to God.

Do you love the Lord you God with heart soul mind and strength? I wish I did.,
 
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Thank you sir most kindly.

When you say occasional known sins, are you speaking of occasional deliberate false witness to destroy someones character, occasional adultery by cheating behind the wife's back, occasional deliberate theft, occasional pedophilia, occasional drunkenness, occasional fornication, occasional gossip and tale-bearing, these are things that Paul said if one does these things will disqualify one from the kingdom..

I'm posting a video on heart purity,..I dont necessarily agree with this person on all points of doctrine, however, he himselff says to no receive anything from him without first receiving it with the whole council of God, otherwise place it on the shelf, and study it approve yourself to God...This person has helped me immensely

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CAYjN5vjuzY
It is intersting as to what people we all think concerning sin as such and grade it.
You actually have posted beyond the biggies that most quote, gossip, theft (ps you missed gluttony:rolleyes:)

All sins have consequences, I would say that something like gluttony has only consequence against us, people may get drunk at home but not in public.

Then the others have consequences against us but also against others, any sexual sin, gossiping and false witness.

I suppose it comes down to what we focus on as being Christ like.
For me I focus on the 2 commandments that Jesus gave. If that's my focus then surely my heart should follow.
I know what Paul is saying but for me if I focus on what Jesus said he will work in me.

I suppose also what do we mean by occasional?

I have to be honest if someone said I occasionally sin (a believer) concerning things that affect them and hurts others like the adultery I would pull them aside and say "That's not acceptable that's not why Jesus died for you"
Start behaving in the ways Jesus as called you to behave.

I think when Paul addressed such issues he said "This is what your were, you have been justified and sanctified, now walk in it"

Now if they don't want to then it's time to question. If they maintain they are still a beleiver then it's time for church discipline.

Given pedophilia and it came to my attention I would actually say "This has to go to the law, the police and you will have suffer the consequences of the law of the land" if they said no I am duty bound to report it.

Given my post concerning this above I didn't feel I had that option. My choice was go back to my mum, stay with sex abuser or go into a home. I stuck with my choice as I didn't want to devestate my foster mum.

Anyway all sins of the flesh are vile, we have no excuse as such when we commit them. We are responsible for our own actions full stop. And if we wilfully continue in those sins with no concern then we have no excuse when we stand before God.

I won't get a chance to watch your YouTube link tonight but I watch it when time allows.

Ps call me Bill
 
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I agree...all the works of the flesh are "willful".
all works of obedience via the Spirit from the heart are also wilful ..it seems we are all doing wilful works 24/7, either the works of obedience unto life, or the works of iniquity unto condemnation... that's why the bible says will be judged according to our works done in the flesh....the conclusion of the matter is , we all are doing works and it cant be avoided.
 
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willybob

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It is intersting as to what people we all think concerning sin as such and grade it.
You actually have posted beyond the biggies that most quote, gossip, theft (ps you missed gluttony:rolleyes:)

All sins have consequences, I would say that something like gluttony has only consequence against us, people may get drunk at home but not in public.

Then the others have consequences against us but also against others, any sexual sin, gossiping and false witness.

I suppose it comes down to what we focus on as being Christ like.
For me I focus on the 2 commandments that Jesus gave. If that's my focus then surely my heart should follow.
I know what Paul is saying but for me if I focus on what Jesus said he will work in me.

I suppose also what do we mean by occasional?

I have to be honest if someone said I occasionally sin (a believer) concerning things that affect them and hurts others like the adultery I would pull them aside and say "That's not acceptable that's not why Jesus died for you"
Start behaving in the ways Jesus as called you to behave.

I think when Paul addressed such issues he said "This is what your were, you have been justified and sanctified, now walk in it"

Now if they don't want to then it's time to question. If they maintain they are still a beleiver then it's time for church discipline.

Given pedophilia and it came to my attention I would actually say "This has to go to the law, the police and you will have suffer the consequences of the law of the land" if they said no I am duty bound to report it.

Given my post concerning this above I didn't feel I had that option. My choice was go back to my mum, stay with sex abuser or go into a home. I stuck with my choice as I didn't want to devestate my foster mum.

Anyway all sins of the flesh are vile, we have no excuse as such when we commit them. We are responsible for our own actions full stop. And if we wilfully continue in those sins with no concern then we have no excuse when we stand before God.

I won't get a chance to watch your YouTube link tonight but I watch it when time allows.

Ps call me Bill
Yes Bill, i only listed a few major ones.... James says sin is birthed through lust, gluttony is also a lust that gives birth to sin..Jesus said to Pilot that there were greater sins, i would suppose that extortion would be worse than gluttony for example...Thanks for your conversation and thoughts, much appreciated..........be blessed