We are not saved by our works, but by our love for God and Eachother.

[Enow]

As blue_ladybug corrected it already, we are saved by active faith in Jesus Christ that produces works.

We are not saved by works alone or by love alone.

We are saved by the grace of God thru faith in Jesus Christ; apart from works. Any produced works after salvation has nothing to do with salvation or keeping you saved. That is about discipleship for abiding in Him as His disciple to bear fruit so that our joy may be full, BUT the consequences for sowing to the works of the flesh and defiling the temple of God is becoming a reprobate or in another meaning, disqualified from attending the Marriage Supper at the pre trib rapture event.

That is why the call is given out for every one having His seal, yes, even former believers for they are still saved, to depart from iniquity or become a castaway to be received later on as a vessel unto dishonor in His House after the great tribulation.

Although the foundation laid by Jesus Christ can never be removed thus salvation without works, it is the works built on that foundation that will be judged as to whether we shall be received by Him at the pre trib rapture or received later on as vessels unto dishonor in His House, because being still in iniquity which denies Him that a believer has not repented from with His help to discern and depart from, is why that believer will be "denied" by Him to attend the Marriage Supper of the Lamb.

So let no one thinks they are doing works to keep themselves saved for that would be an iniquity that denies Him as having saved you as His forever. You can only run that race by faith in Jesus Christ as a saved believer for the prize of crowns which are really His crowning achievements in you since no flesh shall glory in His Presence, is why our crowns will be at His feet in celebration of Him in full glory in Heaven.

Titus 3:[SUP]4 [/SUP]But after that the kindness and love of God our Saviour toward man appeared, [SUP]5 [/SUP]Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;
[SUP]6 [/SUP]Which he shed on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Saviour;
[SUP]7 [/SUP]That being justified by his grace, we should be made heirs according to the hope of eternal life.
[SUP]8 [/SUP]This is a faithful saying, and these things I will that thou affirm constantly, that they which have believed in God might be careful to maintain good works. These things are good and profitable unto men.

 

[Marcelo]

We are not saved by works, but imagine you see someone in great need of help and just say to yourself: "Honey is expecting me for lunch and besides ... I'm not saved by works".

 

[trofimus]

We are saved by the grace of God thru faith in Jesus Christ; apart from works. Any produced works after salvation has nothing to do with salvation or keeping you saved. That is about discipleship for abiding in Him as His disciple to bear fruit so that our joy may be full, BUT the consequences for sowing to the works of the flesh and defiling the temple of God is becoming a reprobate or in another meaning, disqualified from attending the Marriage Supper at the pre trib rapture event.

That is why the call is given out for every one having His seal, yes, even former believers for they are still saved, to depart from iniquity or become a castaway to be received later on as a vessel unto dishonor in His House after the great tribulation.

Although the foundation laid by Jesus Christ can never be removed thus salvation without works, it is the works built on that foundation that will be judged as to whether we shall be received by Him at the pre trib rapture or received later on as vessels unto dishonor in His House, because being still in iniquity which denies Him that a believer has not repented from with His help to discern and depart from, is why that believer will be "denied" by Him to attend the Marriage Supper of the Lamb.

So let no one thinks they are doing works to keep themselves saved for that would be an iniquity that denies Him as having saved you as His forever. You can only run that race by faith in Jesus Christ as a saved believer for the prize of crowns which are really His crowning achievements in you since no flesh shall glory in His Presence, is why our crowns will be at His feet in celebration of Him in full glory in Heaven.

Titus 3:[SUP]4 [/SUP]But after that the kindness and love of God our Saviour toward man appeared, [SUP]5 [/SUP]Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;
[SUP]6 [/SUP]Which he shed on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Saviour;
[SUP]7 [/SUP]That being justified by his grace, we should be made heirs according to the hope of eternal life.
[SUP]8 [/SUP]This is a faithful saying, and these things I will that thou affirm constantly, that they which have believed in God might be careful to maintain good works. These things are good and profitable unto men.

What use is it, my brethren, if someone says he has faith but he has no works? Can that faith save him?

Even so faith, if it has no works, is dead, being by itself.

But someone may well say, “You have faith and I have works; show me your faith without the works, and I will show you my faith by my works.”

You believe that God is one. You do well; the demons also believe, and shudder. 20 But are you willing to recognize, you foolish fellow, that faith without works is useless?

Was not Abraham our father justified by works when he offered up Isaac his son on the altar?

You see that faith was working with his works, and as a result of the works, faith was perfected; and the Scripture was fulfilled which says, “And Abraham believed God, and it was reckoned to him as righteousness,” and he was called the friend of God.

You see that a man is justified by works and not by faith alone.

In the same way, was not Rahab the harlot also justified by works when she received the messengers and sent them out by another way?

For just as the body without the spirit is dead, so also faith without works is dead.

James 2

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I am afraid that James says the opposite of what you say.

 

[Depleted]

No. We are not saved by our works, by our love, or by anything we do. We are saved by God!

Our love and works comes from him doing that and him continuing HIS good work in us. We're just the happy campers fully in love with all of this!

 

[posthuman]

God does not save us by His love for us.

"for God so loved the world that He sent His only Son .. "

because of His love, He gave His Son for our sake -- but it is the sacrifice of the Son making atonement, which saves; faith in Him which justifies. it is not love that saves, not even God's love.

because of His love, he saves. but He does not save by His love. Jesus is salvation. if He loved, but Christ did not give Himself for us, love alone would not save us.

not unlike good will towards others not actually filling up a hungry man's belly -- compassion doesn't keep the cold night air out. warm clothes and blankets do, shelter does. because He loves us, He made for us a haven. it is that haven that keeps us.

God is love, and Christ is the manifestation of God in the flesh. it is the manifestation of love towards one another that fulfills the will of love -- so let's manifest our love for each other! isn't this why the Lord says, "love one another" - and not just "have love for one another" ? everyone will know we are His disciples if we "have" love, but how will they know we have love unless it is manifested?

but God knows our hearts; He does not need to wait to see our actions and then make holy inferences. don't be anxious; know He loves and see even now how the passage of time is the evidence of His mercy & lovingkindness towards us

♥

 

[joefizz]

Well this is very common place,people confused or overconfident about what they believe,Being saved is not some easy thing that just happens,being saved is when you ask,God/Jesus to save your soul,and is the most personal conversation you'll ever have with God/Jesus,and is not about exact words,it's all about realizing that you are a sinner and that you can't live without God/ Jesus guiding you and teaching you nor can you receive heaven,it's about humbling yourself before God/Jesus,and sincerely wanting to do right for God/Jesus,and once you are saved noone can take that from you nor lead you to give up salvation,but indeed you must have faith,as in believe that God/Jesus can save your soul,and willingness to serve God/Jesus,you are not saved by merely loving God or each other,you can only be saved by humbling yourself,before God/Jesus as you are,a sinner,and asking him in sincere faith to save your soul,and if this is done honestly,accepting Jesus as your saviour,then you shall be saved,but due to honesty and humbleness this can be one of the toughest things for anyone to ask God/Jesus for,it is a knowing thing,if some one pulls you up to an altar and forces you into "supposedly" getting your soul saved then you are not,for your heart must be in it willingly otherwise it is of no use,just as forced baptism is just water,either one must be your choice to go through with,not your relatives choice not your pastor's choice,not your congregation's choice,"YOUR CHOICE" be sure to be not fooled by those who merely want to keep up appearances instead of do right for the lord,for there is only one whom has power over sin and soul,God/Jesus!(don't be confused by this either God and Jesus are one and the same!)

 

[oldethennew]

oh yes, Post,

it can only be by the evidence of our actions that we can show our Saviour that we truly
Love/serve Him; it's our duty and heart-felt obligation of our Spirits through our thankfulness
that we are able to manifest our Love to others through doing what He has taught us by His example...

 

[seed_time_harvest]

Our works are evidence of what we love.. If a person produces nothing but evil works, I'd question whether or not the love of Christ actually abides in them; "Ye shall know them by their fruits" (Matthew 7:16). I don't believe you can have faith without works; "Faith without works is dead" (James 2:20). Nor do I believe you can have love without works; "He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me" (John 14:21). The 3 work in unison, we demonstrate our love via our works. If a man is unfaithful to his wife and also beats her every night, he is not demonstrating love. Works matter, where none exist, hypocrisy usually does.. jmo

Did the theif on the cross have Faith?answer=yes
Did the theif on the cross have works?answer=no
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Romans 4:1-2
King James Version(KJV)

1.)What shall we say then that Abraham our father, as pertaining to the flesh, hath found?

2.)For if Abraham were justified by works, he hath whereof to glory; but not before God.

 

[Jackson123]

Did the theif on the cross have Faith?answer=yes
Did the theif on the cross have works?answer=no
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Romans 4:1-2
King James Version(KJV)

1.)What shall we say then that Abraham our father, as pertaining to the flesh, hath found?

2.)For if Abraham were justified by works, he hath whereof to glory; but not before God.

i think the thief on the cross have manifest his faith by work. There are 2 thing he did in Luke 23

1. Advised his friend to be fair and hate injustice.

It is fair, we deserved punishments, but Jesus not deserved it.

it is work as manifestation of his faith

2. Expressing his fait in Jesus by saying remember me in your kingdom, it is mean he believe Jesus has a kingdom, it automatically he believe Jesus is a king

luke 23


40 But the other answering rebuked him, saying, Dost not thou fear God, seeing thou art in the same condemnation?
41 And we indeed justly; for we receive the due reward of our deeds: but this man hath done nothing amiss.
42 And he said unto Jesus, Lord, remember me when thou comest into thy kingdom.
43 And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, Today shalt thou be with me in paradise.

 

[seed_time_harvest]

i think the thief on the cross have manifest his faith by work. There are 2 thing he did in Luke 23

1. Advised his friend to be fair and hate injustice.

It is fair, we deserved punishments, but Jesus not deserved it.

it is work as manifestation of his faith

2. Expressing his fait in Jesus by saying remember me in your kingdom, it is mean he believe Jesus has a kingdom, it automatically he believe Jesus is a king

luke 23


40 But the other answering rebuked him, saying, Dost not thou fear God, seeing thou art in the same condemnation?
41 And we indeed justly; for we receive the due reward of our deeds: but this man hath done nothing amiss.
42 And he said unto Jesus, Lord, remember me when thou comest into thy kingdom.
43 And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, Today shalt thou be with me in paradise.

it is work as manifestation of his faith

Are you being serious right now?

 

[seed_time_harvest]

We are not saved by works, but imagine you see someone in great need of help and just say to yourself: "Honey is expecting me for lunch and besides ... I'm not saved by works".

a person WILL seek to purify himself even as he Is pure but good physical works Is the fruit.
Getting saved requires believing In the WORD of GOD alone.
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John 3:16
King James Version(KJV)

16.)For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
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Nothing there about physical works.

 

[Jackson123]

it is work as manifestation of his faith

Are you being serious right now?

Yup. Faith show itself as a work if time permits

 

[seed_time_harvest]

Yup. Faith show itself as a work if time permits

JESUS said ,the work of GOD Is to believe In the one HE sent
I'm trying to figure out what type of belief are you talking about.

 

[seed_time_harvest]

I'm trying to figure out what type of belief are you talking about.

you said It's Faith + works but It sounds like you are works first.

 

[JaumeJ]

We are save by the Sacrifice of Jesus Christ and all that Sacrifice entails, nothing more, nothing less.

 

[Jackson123]

JESUS said ,the work of GOD Is to believe In the one HE sent
I'm trying to figure out what type of belief are you talking about.

believe in the sense believe his teaching. His teaching is only if we abide in Him, we will produce fruit, and the fruit of Holy Spirit is agape love

 

[Zmouth]

Originally Posted by Zmouth

So does God justify the ungodly?

Romans 5:

6 For when we were yet without strength, in due time Christ died for the ungodly.

7 For scarcely for a righteous man will one die: yet peradventure for a good man some would even dare to die.

8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.

Considering the question asks if God justifies the ungodly, since it is written that "...the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son." [John 5:22] So if the all judgment hath been committed unto the Son, if man is saved by his own faith then he knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, as written in Galatians 2:16, then faith without works is dead. James 2:26

 

[Dan58]

Getting saved requires believing In the WORD of GOD alone.
+++
John 3:16
King James Version(KJV)

16.)For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
+++
Nothing there about physical works.

Paul said; "Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God?" (1 Corinthians 6:9). Jesus said; "Behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be" (Revelation 22:12). While I agree that salvation is only gained through Christ and not by our own works, I still think works matter because our actions demonstrate what we believe. Its sets a dangerous precedence to dismiss good works, because obedience makes belief actionable. If you believed your house was on fire, you'd get out, or you'd burn. "I the LORD search the heart, I try the reins, even to give every man according to his ways, and according to the fruit of his doings" (Jeremiah 17:10). Our deeds demonstrate what we believe; "Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble. But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?" (James 2:19-20). The "works are worthless" philosophy is just part of the new age OSAS ideology. But I fear it will be a hard sell on judgement day when a person says; 'Yes Lord, I murders folks, raped women, and robbed banks, but I did it all while professing my belief in thee'

 

[Zmouth]

God does not save us by His love for us.

"for God so loved the world that He sent His only Son .. "

Can't help but notice that it doesn't say mankind but rather the world. And continues with "that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life."

And Moses said, Hereby ye shall know that the LORD hath sent me to do all these works; for I have not done them of mine own mind. Num 16:28

12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
Revelations 20-12

So how many books which will be opened? Seems like each tabernacle should at least have their own testament:
And Peter answered and said to Jesus, Master, it is good for us to be here: and let us make three tabernacles; one for thee, and one for Moses, and one for Elias. Mark 9:5
So that would make the books the Old Testament, the Gospel and the Quran wouldn't it?
Then of course we can't forget about the other one, can we.

Yet another book was opened, which is the book of life:
Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine, hath not. He that abideth in the doctrine he hath both.

 

[WingsOfFidelity]

Well this is very common place,people confused or overconfident about what they believe,Being saved is not some easy thing that just happens,being saved is when you ask,God/Jesus to save your soul,and is the most personal conversation you'll ever have with God/Jesus,and is not about exact words,it's all about realizing that you are a sinner and that you can't live without God/ Jesus guiding you and teaching you nor can you receive heaven,it's about humbling yourself before God/Jesus,and sincerely wanting to do right for God/Jesus,and once you are saved noone can take that from you nor lead you to give up salvation,but indeed you must have faith,as in believe that God/Jesus can save your soul,and willingness to serve God/Jesus,you are not saved by merely loving God or each other,you can only be saved by humbling yourself,before God/Jesus as you are,a sinner,and asking him in sincere faith to save your soul,and if this is done honestly,accepting Jesus as your saviour,then you shall be saved,but due to honesty and humbleness this can be one of the toughest things for anyone to ask God/Jesus for,it is a knowing thing,if some one pulls you up to an altar and forces you into "supposedly" getting your soul saved then you are not,for your heart must be in it willingly otherwise it is of no use,just as forced baptism is just water,either one must be your choice to go through with,not your relatives choice not your pastor's choice,not your congregation's choice,"YOUR CHOICE" be sure to be not fooled by those who merely want to keep up appearances instead of do right for the lord,for there is only one whom has power over sin and soul,God/Jesus!(don't be confused by this either God and Jesus are one and the same!)

Your whole post was about what someone does. None of it gave any credit to the Lord. With your understanding, it IS a work that saves. This is wrong. In order for one to be 'able' to do any of what you discribed here, a work has to be done to change their heart. And only the Lord himself can do that. Can a dead man make himself alive? Only the Lord can make one alive. What you discribed is the fruit of what has already been done by the Lord.