Dan. 9

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Ahwatukee said:
Your quote above is from the following scripture:

"And I heard a voice from heaven saying, “Write this down: Blessed are those who die in the Lord from now on. Yes, says the Spirit, they are blessed indeed, for they will rest from their hard work; for their good deeds follow them!”

The above scripture is referring to the great tribulation saints.

Regarding the above, here is a challenge for you Miknik5, see how many times the word "Church" appears from Revelation chapter 4 onward. Likewise, see how many times the word "Saints" appears throughout chapters 1 thru 3.
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Yes. I've heard that before

but the final outcome still is all have THE SAME GARMENT and all are in ONE HOUSE and all hold to the SAME and ONLY TRSTIMONY
 
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So then, according to you, we know the time Jesus returns, to be the end of the 70th week.

We all know that no-one knows the day not hour of Jesus' return.

As i have already shown you are in error on Daniel's 70th week. But hey ho, i might just as well bang my head against the proverbial wall.
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this arrogant self righteous statement right here is why everyone should place you on ignore, and no one should discuss this with you any more.

This is is a bible DISCUSSION forum, you are not here to discuss, but to push your view and force it on everyone and attack and belittle anyone who disagrees with you,

keep it up, and we just may need to get the mods involved
 
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Bladerunner said:
Error in Daniel's 70th week....... There you go again calling God a liar.
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beneath contempt..lol....when low intelligence meets low morals, you get a Neanderthal ...spear in one hand Bible in the other. God help us
 
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eternally-gratefull said:


this arrogant self righteous statement right here is why everyone should place you on ignore, and no one should discuss this with you any more.

This is is a bible DISCUSSION forum, you are not here to discuss, but to push your view and force it on everyone and attack and belittle anyone who disagrees with you,

keep it up, and we just may need to get the mods involved
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Shut it. Get back in your hole
 
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eternally-gratefull said:

what does this have to do with anything?

This will not preclude unbelieving Isreal from building a temple they think they need to build? remember, they rejected Christ, so the think they still need sacrifice, even today in their sin, they think they need a new temple.

I never said a new temple would help anyone get saved,,

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1. There has to be a temple for an AOD (not yet fulfilled, did not happen in AD 70
2. The OT prophets show Jesus will set up his kingdom in Gods house (a new temple in jerusalem) and all the world will come here and worship him.

so what is your problem?

You said scripture says it is impossible. It is not, In fact, scripture says they will build a third one..
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The scriptures tell us that the Antichrist will go into a Temple of God, not into a copy of the temple of God that is not really the Temple of God. The Jews could built a temple and call it the Temple of God, but it could not be the Temple of God because in order for a structure to be the Temple of God it has be accepted by GOD as the Temple of God, otherwise it is just a building. The Christ rejecting Jews cannot build a building that God will accept as the Temple of God because the church is the Temple of God, and if God does not accept it as the Temple of God then it is not the Temple of God.
 
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The scriptures tell us that the Antichrist will go into a Temple of God, not into a copy of the temple of God that is not really the Temple of God. The Jews could built a temple and call it the Temple of God, but it could not be the Temple of God because in order for a structure to be the Temple of God it has be accepted by GOD as the Temple of God, otherwise it is just a building. The Christ rejecting Jews cannot build a building that God will accept as the Temple of God because the church is the Temple of God, and if God does not accept it as the Temple of God then it is not the Temple of God.
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yet the Bible says when Christ returns, he will set up his kingdom in that temple.
 
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if davids kingdom is to be re-established at the end for 1000 years, and scripture says davids throne is an eternal throne, then are there 2 eternal thrones as Jesus is sitting on one now.

some prophetic scriptures are clear i.e mathew 24, so where some scriptures arent so clear, surely we should start with the ones that are. rev 20 is the only place a 1000 year reign is mentioned, but why is that taken literal when much of revelations is metaphorical . do you expect to see a real dragon out of the sea with 7 heads..
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David was never THE KING just as zerubabbel was never THE HIGH PRIEST

These men were only shadows and figures pointing to CHRIST
 
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The situation is kind of a stalemate. We get the idea from the bible that the Jews must build a Temple of God, and we find the reality that the Jews cannot build a Temple of God from the bible. We have clear scripture going against clear scripture, since the word of God does not go against the word of God, therefore it has to be the way WE are looking at it. After looking at the evidence for both sides, I find the greater evidence in favor of there being no physical temple simply because such a temple would insult God who has made the Temple of God the church. It is clear from 2Thess 2 that the church will still be here when the Antichrist goes into the Temple of God and proclaims that he is god. Lets think for a moment, Paul said that the Antichrist would take his seat in the Temple of God and be worshipped as god. Paul used the word for the actual dwelling place of God which Paul called the church, not the building. A movement started in 1906 has brought Satan into the church by pretending to be the Holy Spirit. Today in many churches Satan has taken his seat and is being worshipped as god. I am just thinking in words and looking for an answer not presenting a doctrine. If anyone has a better idea please present it.
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It would be an abomination wouldn't it

what would be even more abominable would be reinstating sacrifices in the temple
 
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samuel23 said:
The scriptures tell us that the Antichrist will go into a Temple of God, not into a copy of the temple of God that is not really the Temple of God. The Jews could built a temple and call it the Temple of God, but it could not be the Temple of God because in order for a structure to be the Temple of God it has be accepted by GOD as the Temple of God, otherwise it is just a building. The Christ rejecting Jews cannot build a building that God will accept as the Temple of God because the church is the Temple of God, and if God does not accept it as the Temple of God then it is not the Temple of God.
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The Jews know only one temple as where sacrifices are made and it is because there is no temple that sacrifices are not being made

their intenruon to build a temple is to honor GOD with offerings that are not necessary because there is only ONE ACCEPTABLE OFFERING already


(they just don't understand that)


so where is there a temple that the Jews use to offer up daily sacrifices? Because Daniels prophecy says that the antichrist will stop the daily sacrifices then set up the abomination and will sit himself in the temple declaring himself to. be GOD

you can't have daily sacrifices without the temple being rebuilt
 
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miknik5 said:
The Jews know only one temple as where sacrifices are made and it is because there is no temple that sacrifices are not being made

their intenruon to build a temple is to honor GOD with offerings that are not necessary because there is only ONE ACCEPTABLE OFFERING already


(they just don't understand that)


so where is there a temple that the Jews use to offer up daily sacrifices? Because Daniels prophecy says that the antichrist will stop the daily sacrifices then set up the abomination and will sit himself in the temple declaring himself to. be GOD

you can't have daily sacrifices without the temple being rebuilt
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Absolutely, if Daniel 9:27 is what many believe it to be, the Antichrist going into a Temple of God and stopping the sacrifices. Since there does not seem to me to be any possible way that could happen today, I think maybe the HE is Christ when he made the sacrifice to cease and later making the land desolate because of all their abominations of rejecting Christ. The statement, he shall confirm the covenant with the many, simply does not fit the accepted, he shall make a covenant with the many. Some versions of the bible(but not most) have even changed the bible itself in order to make it say, he shall make a covenant with the many, rather then the true statement, he shall confirm the covenant with the many.
 
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25Know therefore and discern, that from the going forth of the word to restore and to build Jerusalem unto one anointed, a prince, shall be seven weeks; and for threescore and two weeks, it shall be built again, with broad place and moat, but in troublous times. 26And after the threescore and two weeks shall an anointed one be cut off, and be no more; and the people of a prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; but his end shall be with a flood; and unto the end of the war desolations are determined. 27And he shall make a firm covenant with many for one week; and for half of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the offering to cease; and upon the wing of detestable things shall be that which causeth appalment; and that until the extermination wholly determined be poured out upon that which causeth appalment.’


please read Daniel 9:26 prior to vs 27 Do you agree that this prince of a people to come in vs 26 is the same one mentioned in vs 27?


 
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miknik5 said:
25Know therefore and discern, that from the going forth of the word to restore and to build Jerusalem unto one anointed, a prince, shall be seven weeks; and for threescore and two weeks, it shall be built again, with broad place and moat, but in troublous times. 26And after the threescore and two weeks shall an anointed one be cut off, and be no more; and the people of a prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; but his end shall be with a flood; and unto the end of the war desolations are determined. 27And he shall make a firm covenant with many for one week; and for half of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the offering to cease; and upon the wing of detestable things shall be that which causeth appalment; and that until the extermination wholly determined be poured out upon that which causeth appalment.’


please read Daniel 9:26 prior to vs 27 Do you agree that this prince of a people to come in vs 26 is the same one mentioned in vs 27?
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he does not MAKE a covenant with anyone, you can look this up, I have researched it carefully, the word is CONFIRM, as to establish, or make strong. You can look it up in Strong's. Any time that folks resort to actually being dishonest(not speaking of you) in order to establish a doctrine then they have to be wrong. In order to support the Antichrist in the Temple premise some people have actually attempted to change the word CONFIRM into the word MAKE, that is just not the way of God. We need to stay in the truth, the HE will confirm the covenant with the many. The covenant had to be that which God made with the Jews, what other covenant could there be. And could the Antichrist confirm God's covenant with Israel?
 
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samuel23 said:
he does not MAKE a covenant with anyone, you can look this up, I have researched it carefully, the word is CONFIRM, as to establish, or make strong. You can look it up in Strong's. Any time that folks resort to actually being dishonest(not speaking of you) in order to establish a doctrine then they have to be wrong. In order to support the Antichrist in the Temple premise some people have actually attempted to change the word CONFIRM into the word MAKE, that is just not the way of God. We need to stay in the truth, the HE will confirm the covenant with the many. The covenant had to be that which God made with the Jews, what other covenant could there be. And could the Antichrist confirm God's covenant with Israel?
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Samuel. Although that wasn't what I was focusing on, I suggest you review and possibly go back to the Tanaka whixhbis ehat I used. 1285 berith. Covenant
 
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miknik5 said:
Samuel. Although that wasn't what I was focusing on, I suggest you review and possibly go back to the Tanaka whixhbis ehat I used. 1285 berith. Covenant
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Don't quite follow you. I understand that the word covenant used in Daniel 9:27 is the same word used in the covenant between God and Abraham which became the covenant of the Israelis people. If the many, is referring to the Jewish people(which most believe), and the covenant is confirmed(meaning he established what was already there), then why or how could the Antichrist confirm or establish the covenant between God and Israel?
 
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J7 said:
beneath contempt..lol....when low intelligence meets low morals, you get a Neanderthal ...spear in one hand Bible in the other. God help us
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Cannot help it if the truth hurts,,,,It will not be me you will have to answer your actions to---GOD!
 
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miknik5 said:
David was never THE KING just as zerubabbel was never THE HIGH PRIEST

These men were only shadows and figures pointing to CHRIST
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You cannot read can you....? Boy Howdy......that is the statement of the Year. So Sad!
 
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It has been some time that I posted on this thread. I know I opened it with Daniel 9. However as I do need to work on a better understanding of Prophecy as a whole, I had something come to mind, when watching some things on You tube. Yes I know not the best place to get the truth on anything, yet it did bring some questions to mind.

Wormwood is one. I know it tells us this star will hit earth, yet can that be a slight misunderstanding by the translators?

One of the other things that came to mind was the 7 bowls. How likely is it that some of them will fulled by man kind doing doing stupid things? Like making viruses, and so on.
 
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Your initial post was very good. You are adhering to Scripture, which means you are half way there already.
 
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J7 said:
Your initial post was very good. You are adhering to Scripture, which means you are half way there already.
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Thank you. You are not the first to say that. One of my teachers on this topic, told me that I know more than I let on, I just need to speak out of faith, and stop doubting myself. A lot easy er done than said when it comes to the topic of Prophecy.
 
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