Dan. 9

[Bladerunner]

May I ask, if the 70th week has been fulfilled, then when we read in rev. a book written in or around AD75, do we find the following.
Rev 12:6 And the woman fled into the wilderness, where God had prepared a place to care for her for 1,260 days.

Does this not give us the last 3 1/2 years of the Tribulation? I came to that understanding when I looked back and seen that Yeshua tooled us to flee into the mountains.
Mat 24:15 “The day is coming when you will see what Daniel the prophet spoke about—the sacrilegious object that causes desecration[fn] standing in the Holy Place.” (Reader, pay attention!)
Mat 24:16 “Then those in Judea must flee to the hills.

Now my mom would say that was talking off when Rome sacked Jerusalem. That how doesn't add up, as Rev. was written some 5 years later. SO what I am seeing here?

First of all RainRider...Revelation was written in 94-95AD... This is pretty well sewed up...Oh there are people out there that do not know and try to make everyone think they know about it writing.

The other Item all preterist forget about Israel.... The Bible speaks of it as a Nation not individuals. There are many Messianic Christians that are part of His Church, but in reality, Israel as a whole nation has not changed its views. Why God tells us they "have been blinded until the fullness of the Church",,, will let you find that one.

Blade

 

[Bladerunner]

The book of Revelation I believe to be to written just before 66AD, before the destruction of apostate Jerusalem. I believe Revelation was given to John for the events that literally were "to shortly take place."

As far as Rev 12:6, This in part is a recap of Christ's birth. The woman is God's people, the reference to the moon, sun and 12 stars are a reference to earthly Israel (Joseph's dream). Christ is born, He died and was raised for our benefit and ascended to His Throne in heaven. The Woman (His Children, His followers, Those in HIM) fled into the wilderness as God's wrath descended down to destroy His apostate wife (earthly Jerusalem) by Old Testament law.

In Matthew 24, Jesus was talking about the destruction of the earthly temple, and literally told His followers to leave when they see the Armies of Rome coming (Luke's account of the Olivet Discourse). I believe most of Matthew 24 to be about those living in that time (1st century) and not ours. Tell me, why does Jesus tell them when it's time to flee to come off their rooftops? Do people live on their rooftops today? Why should they hope that the day to flee isn't on a Sabbath? Could it be because the gates of Jerusalem where closed on a Sabbath preventing the Church to flee? Think about it!

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bookends????????The book of Revelation I believe to be to written just before 66AD,,,

Oh come on you can do better than that,,,show us the pudding, Give us some references where this is at, that we might fulfill one of our obligations to God in Acts 17:11

 

[Bladerunner]

Does anyone believe that the covenant mentioned in Daniel 9 has to do with allowing the rebuilding of the temple?

Yes,,,,Yes,,,YEs......The make a covenant with "Death and Hell" riding the pale horse as seen in Rev 6. If you will read Isaiah 28 :15-18 you will find out why they will make the covenant.....To Rebuild the TEMPLE.

 

[miknik5]

Yes,,,,Yes,,,YEs......The make a covenant with "Death and Hell" riding the pale horse as seen in Rev 6. If you will read Isaiah 28 :15-18 you will find out why they will make the covenant.....To Rebuild the TEMPLE.

Thank you

It appeared to me that some were saying that this had already happened with the building and tearing down of the temple in 70AD...and I was not in agreement with that...

I will read Isaiah 28
I don't remember ever having tied 28 with the covenant mentioned in Daniel 9

Thanks

 

[Bladerunner]

The Holy Place is Jerusalem.

The Roman Standards were placed all over it. The standard included an image of the emperor who was worshipped as God. That was the "Emperor Cult" started by Caesar.


This is hotly undisputed amongst most serious scholars, so be aware that ideas like the temple not being destroyed because the Wailing Wall still exists are very contentious, which is a polite way of saying rubbish.

Luke says:
20 [FONT="]“When you see Jerusalem surrounded by armies, then know that its desolation has come near.

[/FONT][/COLOR]No problems there. There were several legions sent by the way.

Matthew says:
[COLOR=#000000][FONT=Arial][B]15 [/B][/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#000000][FONT="]“So when you see the desolating sacrilege standing in the holy place, as was spoken of by the prophet Daniel (let the reader understand),

[/FONT]The Roman Armies were the desolating sacrilege. The Holy place is Jerusalem.

There should be no confusion about this.

Here.

[FONT="][B][URL="https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Psalm+2:6&version=NRSV"]Psalm 2:6[/URL][/B][/FONT]
[FONT="]“I have set my king on [B]Zion, my [B]holy hill.”
[FONT="]Psalm 87:1[/FONT]
[ Psalm 87 ] [ The Joy of Living in Zion ] [ Of the Korahites. A Psalm. A Song. ] On the holy mount stands the city he founded;
[FONT="][URL="https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Isaiah+52:1&version=NRSV"]Isaiah 52:1[/URL][/FONT]
[ Let Zion Rejoice ] Awake, awake, put on your strength, O Zion! Put on your beautiful garments, O Jerusalem, the holy city; for the uncircumcised and the unclean shall enter you no more.


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YES, J7....Jerusalem is the Holy City but the 'Abomination of Desolate' spoken of by Daniel is by the Bible defined to be a placing of an idol or other desecrations to the Holy of HOLIEs..... It is obvious you do not know what that is...I refer to you to the book of Leviticus where God tells the nation of Israel through Moses how to build and use the Temple and the Holy of Holies within.

 

[Bladerunner]

Thank you

It appeared to me that some were saying that this had already happened with the building and tearing down of the temple in 70AD...and I was not in agreement with that...

I will read Isaiah 28
I don't remember ever having tied 28 with the covenant mentioned in Daniel 9

Thanks

Look to Rev 6.....Pale Horse,,,"Death and Hell" riders .....all of them are tied together.

 

[miknik5]

And 2Thesselonians 2:4 also mentions that the antichrist will exalt himself in the temple as god...

 

[J7]

YES, J7....Jerusalem is the Holy City but the 'Abomination of Desolate' spoken of by Daniel is by the Bible defined to be a placing of an idol or other desecrations to the Holy of HOLIEs..... It is obvious you do not know what that is...I refer to you to the book of Leviticus where God tells the nation of Israel through Moses how to build and use the Temple and the Holy of Holies within.

Matthew and Daniel are different. Of this you need to be aware.

Daniel talks about replacing the sacrifice with an abomination after the Romans have taken the Temple.

Jesus talks about a desolating sacrilege prior to the Romans sacking Jerusalem.


Do you see the difference?

 

[miknik5]

Matthew and Daniel are different. Of this you need to be aware.

Daniel talks about replacing the sacrifice with an abomination after the Romans have taken the Temple.

Jesus talks about a desolating sacrilege prior to the Romans sacking Jerusalem.


Do you see the difference?

No
i don't see the difference

it is already an abomination that the temple will be rebuilt
not only that, the Jews to whom the WORD of GOD has come, disregard Haggai 2 as if they can rebuild the temple

if GOD declared all unclean, how are the Jews, who should have understood from the words in the book of Ezra the importance that those who have a part in building anything that is HOLY to GOD, should first be declared clean/holy
and aren't

and those who have been washed and declared clean/holy wouldn't have ANY PART in building an earthly temple

 

[J7]

ok, I'll explain Miknik.

Jesus tells the Church that the cue for them to escape from Jerusalem is 'the desolating sacrilege in the Holy Place'.

Now if you understand that to mean the Abomination Of Desolation, as described by Daniel, which was the stopping of the sacrifices and an object of worship replacing it in the temple, which occurred in AD 70 when Titus took the temple, then that is clearly not the thing which helped the Church to put their running shoes on.

So clearly 'the desolating sacrilege in the Holy Place' means something slightly different. It actually refers to the Roman troops under Gaius which came up to Jerusalem in AD66 just before passover and then dropped back. That was the cue to escape.

 

[miknik5]

ok, I'll explain Miknik.

Jesus tells the Church that the cue for them to escape from Jerusalem is 'the desolating sacrilege in the Holy Place'.

Now if you understand that to mean the Abomination Of Desolation, as described by Daniel, which was the stopping of the sacrifices and an object of worship replacing it in the temple, which occurred in AD 70 when Titus took the temple, then that is clearly not the thing which helped the Church to put their running shoes on.

So clearly 'the desolating sacrilege in the Holy Place' means something slightly different. It actually refers to the Roman troops under Gaius which came up to Jerusalem in AD66 just before passover and then dropped back. That was the cue to escape.

That's not the abomination of this particular and last built temple

 

[J7]

Ok, let's clarify this.

The Abomination.

Leviticus 13
13 These you shall regard as detestable among the birds. They shall not be eaten; they are an abomination: the eagle, the vulture, the osprey,

Antiochus put a statue of Zeus in the Temple and demanded the Jews worship him. That was the first Abomination of Desolation.

The Romans called Zeus Jupiter.

The Romans carried eagles on their ensigns, which were to honour Jupiter.

So the eagle on the Roman Standard was the Abomination, the sacrilege.

 

[miknik5]

Ok, let's clarify this.

The Abomination.

Leviticus 13
13 These you shall regard as detestable among the birds. They shall not be eaten; they are an abomination: the eagle, the vulture, the osprey,

Antiochus put a statue of Zeus in the Temple and demanded the Jews worship him. That was the first Abomination of Desolation.

The Romans called Zeus Jupiter.

The Romans carried eagles on their ensigns, which were to honour Jupiter.

So the eagle on the Roman Standard was the Abomination, the sacrilege.

That is not the abomination
It is a type of abomination but it isn't THE abomination seen by Daniel which made him sick

 

[J7]

The abomination that made Daniel sick was Antiochus. Why does that matter?

 

[samuel23]

I believe when Jesus spoke to the disciples about the future end of Judea that He also spoke of the future end of the age and His return. It is easy enough to see that the first generation of the church probably saw these as one event, however there are clues in what Jesus said that shows that they were never the one event. To make it even more complicated, both events had some things in common. Here are a few clues, when Jesus told the disciples to flee Judea when they saw the armies of Rome coming, that was for that generation. When Jesus described His actual return He did not tell the disciples to flee but told them to stand their ground. There are certain things that Jesus said would happen in that generation and it is an historic fact that those things have happened, so those things were for that generation. OK, we have the disciples of Christ being told to flee Judea and that was for 70ad. Later in Revelation we have a symbol of Israel being told to flee to the wilderness, that could be the end of the age when the false prophet sets up the image of the Beast and demands that all worship him. There were two great events that were written about, first the end of Judea and the scattering of the Jewish people, second the end of the age when Christ returns. Whoever takes the position that it ALL happened in 70ad has to be wrong because some things have not happened yet, others who take the position that it is all future are denying historic fact.

 

[miknik5]

Please remember that Rome does not remain as an unbelieving people

 

[J7]

Please remember that Rome does not remain as an unbelieving people

Hebrew means "a wanderer"

I don't suppose the Romans were named by accident.

 

[miknik5]

The abomination that made Daniel sick was Antiochus. Why does that matter?

Did Michael help Daniels people during this time when JESUS was detained 21 days?

has the HOLY SPIRIT even been detained 3 weeks?

 

[J7]

Did Michael help Daniels people during this time when JESUS was detained 21 days?

has the HOLY SPIRIT even been detained 3 weeks?

I think on a couple of occasions going through US passport control.

 

[miknik5]

Hebrew means "a wanderer"

I don't suppose the Romans were named by accident.

I have no idea what kind of connection you want me to see

a hebrew IS a wanderer a sojourner here
abd they have been wandering in search of the PROMISED inheritance in ISRAEL which was never physical land to begin with