The twelve tribes always means the physical people of the nation of Israel and is never used to refer to Christians. There is no Jew or Gentile in the body of Christ, therefore, to address Jewish Christians would contradict Paul's teachings. The book of James is addressing the whole nation of Israel, the twelve tribes, in a time of great tribulation after the body of Christ has been caught up according to Paul's epistles.
James's Faith With Works VS Paul's Faith Without Works
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All Israel is not Israel as Christian the new name God named his people not Chrsitians are inwardly born of the Spirit of Christ, not outwardly after the sinful flesh
God is no respecter of persons .Christ of his own flesh infroms us it profits for nothing.
It refers the many lively stones that make up the spiritual house of God, the church or bride wife of Christ. The tribes as gates represent all who enter into fellowship with the Spirit of Christ, the Holy Spirit of God on the other side of the first century reformation. It has nothing,nada to do with the flesh of a Jew.
Apostle a word which simply means "sent one" .All of the Old testament saints were sent by God to include the apostle Moses, Abraham, David etc They represent going out two by two sent (apostle) by God, seeing the temple as that seen outwardly vanished when the veil was rent.
God does not speak a in a Jewish vaccum what he says to a Jew he says to a Gentile.
Paul was a Jewish Christians, the new name God named his people. Names have meanings
Because of the reformation it is the time of Jacobs’s trouble (no outward form to relate to).
The book of James is addressing Christians… the new name he named His elect. Just as the book of Genesis addresses Christians the new name God named His elect One wife one gospel . The name did not come accidentally and a person can attach thier own meaning.
There is not a gospel for an outward Jew, not born again of the Spirit of Christ and another for a outward gentile .What God has joined together as one bride in that way let no man call separate as must the father of lies.
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See post #74. In every other usage in the Bible of "twelve tribes" it is ALWAYS a reference to the nation of Israel as a whole and NEVER a called out group from that nation. It is never a reference to Christians. Ever. To use it in this manner would contradict the rest of Scripture and I don't want to do that.
James 1:1James, a servant of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ, to the twelve tribes which are scattered abroad, greeting.
James is speaking as a christian TO the twelves tribes which are scattered abroad; hence fellow chrstian believers out of the twelve tribes scattered abroad.
The Jews are not going to read a letter from a christian, and the letter would only be handed to christians. Do consider that.
James is speaking as a christian TO the twelves tribes which are scattered abroad; hence fellow chrstian believers out of the twelve tribes scattered abroad.
The Jews are not going to read a letter from a christian, and the letter would only be handed to christians. Do consider that.
The misquoted & misunderstood Book of James
The Book of James is written in the late 30's - earlry 40's to the 12 tribes (Jews only) who had been scattered, see James 1:1
James is writting to the 12 tribes of Israel. Still under the Law. Jews steeped in Old Testament doctrines. The Temple is in full operation, and nobody has ever been told to stop Temple worship, or to stop the sacrifices.
There is nothing in the Book of James that speak's of the Body of Christ/Church. Nothing of the power of the Resurrection, found in Paul’s writings.
The book of James is written 7-14 years BEFORE the Counsel at Jerusalem. Counsel at Jerusalem took place in 51 AD & is a key transitional inflection point. From righteousness thru Law keeping to righteousness thru Faith. See Acts 15:24 below
James the 1/2 brother of Jesus, was head of the Jerusalem assembly & the moderator for the Counsel at Jerusalem (Acts 15)
Acts 15:
7 And when there had been much disputing, Peter rose up & said unto them, Men & brethren, ye know how that a good while ago God made choice among us, that the Gentiles by my mouth should hear the word of the gospel, and believe.
13 And after they had held their peace, ""James"" answered, saying, Men and brethren, hearken unto me:
Read vs 13-19 & see James message change here 7-14 yrs after he wrote the book of James
22 Then pleased it "the apostles & elders" with the whole church, to send chosen men of their own company to Antioch with Paul & Barnabas; namely, Judas surnamed Barsabas & Silas, chief men among the brethren:
23 And they wrote letters by them after this manner; "The apostles, elders & (JEWISH) brethren" send greeting unto the brethren which are of the Gentiles in Antioch, Syria & Cilicia:
24 We have heard, that certain which went out from us have troubled you with words, subverting your souls, saying, Ye must be circumcised & keep the law: to whom we gave no such commandment.
(NOTE: All the Apostle's agree & send letters to ALL the Churches: Gentiles don't need to be circumcised or keep the law of Moses)
James, Peter & John, Barnabas & Paul shake on the Counsel at Jerusalem deal here too:
Gal 2:9 and when James, Cephas, and John, who seemed to be pillars, perceived the grace that was given unto me they gave to me & Barnabas the right hands of fellowship that we should go unto the Gentiles, and they unto the Jews.
Paul's message emphasizes the death (sins wage paid), burial & resurrection (God's receipt, payment received) as of """first importance""" in 1 Corinthians chapter 15:104, the great resurrection chapter.
REREAD Acts 15:24 All the Apostles agree & send letters to centile Churches (vs 13 above) stating: Gentiles DON'T need to be circumcised or keep the law of Moses
The Book of James is written in the late 30's - earlry 40's to the 12 tribes (Jews only) who had been scattered, see James 1:1
James is writting to the 12 tribes of Israel. Still under the Law. Jews steeped in Old Testament doctrines. The Temple is in full operation, and nobody has ever been told to stop Temple worship, or to stop the sacrifices.
There is nothing in the Book of James that speak's of the Body of Christ/Church. Nothing of the power of the Resurrection, found in Paul’s writings.
The book of James is written 7-14 years BEFORE the Counsel at Jerusalem. Counsel at Jerusalem took place in 51 AD & is a key transitional inflection point. From righteousness thru Law keeping to righteousness thru Faith. See Acts 15:24 below
James the 1/2 brother of Jesus, was head of the Jerusalem assembly & the moderator for the Counsel at Jerusalem (Acts 15)
Acts 15:
7 And when there had been much disputing, Peter rose up & said unto them, Men & brethren, ye know how that a good while ago God made choice among us, that the Gentiles by my mouth should hear the word of the gospel, and believe.
13 And after they had held their peace, ""James"" answered, saying, Men and brethren, hearken unto me:
Read vs 13-19 & see James message change here 7-14 yrs after he wrote the book of James
22 Then pleased it "the apostles & elders" with the whole church, to send chosen men of their own company to Antioch with Paul & Barnabas; namely, Judas surnamed Barsabas & Silas, chief men among the brethren:
23 And they wrote letters by them after this manner; "The apostles, elders & (JEWISH) brethren" send greeting unto the brethren which are of the Gentiles in Antioch, Syria & Cilicia:
24 We have heard, that certain which went out from us have troubled you with words, subverting your souls, saying, Ye must be circumcised & keep the law: to whom we gave no such commandment.
(NOTE: All the Apostle's agree & send letters to ALL the Churches: Gentiles don't need to be circumcised or keep the law of Moses)
James, Peter & John, Barnabas & Paul shake on the Counsel at Jerusalem deal here too:
Gal 2:9 and when James, Cephas, and John, who seemed to be pillars, perceived the grace that was given unto me they gave to me & Barnabas the right hands of fellowship that we should go unto the Gentiles, and they unto the Jews.
Paul's message emphasizes the death (sins wage paid), burial & resurrection (God's receipt, payment received) as of """first importance""" in 1 Corinthians chapter 15:104, the great resurrection chapter.
REREAD Acts 15:24 All the Apostles agree & send letters to centile Churches (vs 13 above) stating: Gentiles DON'T need to be circumcised or keep the law of Moses
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It is because you don't understand what "works" Paul is speaking about.
Rom. 3:27 Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith.
The Old Covenant "Priesthood" (Levitical Priesthood) contained sacrificial, ceremonial "works" specifically given to the Levites to perform for the remission of sins of the people.
Abraham didn't have this "Priesthood" which was ADDED 430 years later. Levi wasn't even born yet. Abraham obeyed the "Law of Faith" as it is written;
Gen. 26:4 And I will make thy seed to multiply as the stars of heaven, and will give unto thy seed all these countries; and in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed;5 Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws.
Abraham trusted in God enough to follow His instructions (Law of Faith) and he was considered righteous because of this choice.
the Pharisees were still pushing the "Law of Works" which included their version of the Levitical Priesthood. Paul fought with them his whole converted life. They bewitched the Galatians, and tried to corrupt believers in Col. 2.
Paul is explain to the gentiles that these Levitical Priesthood "works of the Law" for remission of sins will not save you.
28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.
29 Is he the God of the Jews only? is he not also of the Gentiles? Yes, of the Gentiles also:
But there is a "Law of Faith". Paul calls this law "good" Just and Holy. He speaks about this Law in the previous chapter.
Rom. 2:6 Who will render to every man according to his deeds:
7 To them who by patient continuance in well doing (Good, Just, Holy) seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life:
Like Abraham, we are to turn from our works, (Filthy rags) to God's Works (Just, Holy, and Good)
8 But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath,
Man's religious Traditions, man's righteousness, rejection of God's Instructions, these lead to death.
9 Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile;
10 But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, (There is only one that is Good) to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile:
11 For there is no respect of persons with God.
12 For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law;
This isn't speaking to the "Law of Works" but the "Law of Faith" Abraham followed.
13 (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.
Unless a person accepts the truth about the "Law of Works" they will continue to clump them together with the Law of faith and teach against both as does many of todays mainstream preachers. (As foretold by Jesus)
Rom. 3:27 Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith.
The Old Covenant "Priesthood" (Levitical Priesthood) contained sacrificial, ceremonial "works" specifically given to the Levites to perform for the remission of sins of the people.
Abraham didn't have this "Priesthood" which was ADDED 430 years later. Levi wasn't even born yet. Abraham obeyed the "Law of Faith" as it is written;
Gen. 26:4 And I will make thy seed to multiply as the stars of heaven, and will give unto thy seed all these countries; and in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed;5 Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws.
Abraham trusted in God enough to follow His instructions (Law of Faith) and he was considered righteous because of this choice.
the Pharisees were still pushing the "Law of Works" which included their version of the Levitical Priesthood. Paul fought with them his whole converted life. They bewitched the Galatians, and tried to corrupt believers in Col. 2.
Paul is explain to the gentiles that these Levitical Priesthood "works of the Law" for remission of sins will not save you.
28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.
29 Is he the God of the Jews only? is he not also of the Gentiles? Yes, of the Gentiles also:
But there is a "Law of Faith". Paul calls this law "good" Just and Holy. He speaks about this Law in the previous chapter.
Rom. 2:6 Who will render to every man according to his deeds:
7 To them who by patient continuance in well doing (Good, Just, Holy) seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life:
Like Abraham, we are to turn from our works, (Filthy rags) to God's Works (Just, Holy, and Good)
8 But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath,
Man's religious Traditions, man's righteousness, rejection of God's Instructions, these lead to death.
9 Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile;
10 But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, (There is only one that is Good) to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile:
11 For there is no respect of persons with God.
12 For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law;
This isn't speaking to the "Law of Works" but the "Law of Faith" Abraham followed.
13 (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.
Unless a person accepts the truth about the "Law of Works" they will continue to clump them together with the Law of faith and teach against both as does many of todays mainstream preachers. (As foretold by Jesus)
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Your case falls on its face big time.
Your entire deal is " condemnation before investigation."
Most of your post is boggus.
1 James is not preaching saved by works.
2. James is writing to Jewish believers.
3. Peter was rebuked several times,so i guess 1 peter is also in question
4. Paul declared 10. Or. 20 times the power of works.
5. Do any anti cannonites roast Paul over his many references to works?
Should we also recklessly ascribe to Paul a saved by works mantle?
The ENTIRE motive of disenfranchising James appears to be defunk and debunked
Your entire deal is " condemnation before investigation."
Most of your post is boggus.
1 James is not preaching saved by works.
2. James is writing to Jewish believers.
3. Peter was rebuked several times,so i guess 1 peter is also in question
4. Paul declared 10. Or. 20 times the power of works.
5. Do any anti cannonites roast Paul over his many references to works?
Should we also recklessly ascribe to Paul a saved by works mantle?
The ENTIRE motive of disenfranchising James appears to be defunk and debunked
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Actually, we are told the audience in James 1:1, James, a servant of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ, to the twelve tribes which are scattered abroad, greeting.
When Scripture speaks of the twelve tribes, it is always, always, always a reference to the nation of Israel as a whole and never, never, never a called out group from that nation.Study Scripture and that term. To make it mean Christians would be to contradict every other throughout Scripture. I'm not willing to do that.
When Scripture speaks of the twelve tribes, it is always, always, always a reference to the nation of Israel as a whole and never, never, never a called out group from that nation.Study Scripture and that term. To make it mean Christians would be to contradict every other throughout Scripture. I'm not willing to do that.
Paul was sent to the Gentiles,and had to deal with their false religions as he preached the truth to try to turn them to Jesus,as well as any Old Testament saints to try to turn them from the physical ordinances of the law,those works,unto Jesus and the works of the Spirit which is works of love,which Paul called charity.
Paul was telling them that all the works they do in their false religions,or of the works of the Old Testament,the physical ordinances,will not find them favor with God,but only by confessing Christ can they find favor with God.
When Paul was addressing them that their works will not save them,they have not confessed Christ yet,and have not received the Spirit yet.
When they confessed Christ they did not receive the Spirit yet,so faith alone,and not saved by works,is the only thing they could do.
When they received the Spirit then the situation changed from being fleshy to being spiritual so then they had to have works of the Spirit,charity,works of love,to have faith active in their life,for love is the fulfilling of the law.
Paul said charity is greater than faith,and faith means nothing without charity,works of love,which can only be done perfectly by the Spirit.
Faith works by love,and it is love alone,not faith alone.
If a person lacks works of love,then they lack faith,for love is the fulfilling of the law.
After Paul addressed them that their works will not find them favor with God but only by confessing Christ,then he addresses them in the spiritual sense having the Spirit,and must have works of love to have faith active in their life,and says the same thing as James.
Paul says the same thing as James,and people should understand when Paul is speaking according to them being fleshy when they confess Christ that it is faith alone,and not saved by works,and when he is speaking to them being spiritual having works of love by the Spirit.
When we first come to Christ it is faith alone,and not saved by works,for that is all we can do,but some people want to drag that throughout their walk with God,but after we receive the Spirit then it is faith without works is dead,and a person is justified by works,and not faith alone,for we have to have works of love,for faith to be active in our life,and they are not works of the flesh,but of the Spirit.
And there is no lacking concerning that and think you are alright with God,for the Bible says love is the fulfilling of the law,and only goes by their needs,and helps people with their needs,and even feeds and clothes their enemies,and prays for them,and blesses them,and is not unkind.
We see many people that say faith alone,and not saved by works,that lack in love and their lifestyle testifies of it.
Jas 2:14 What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him?
Jas 2:15 If a brother or sister be naked, and destitute of daily food,
Jas 2:16 And one of you say unto them, Depart in peace, be ye warmed and filled; notwithstanding ye give them not those things which are needful to the body; what doth it profit?
Jas 2:17 Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.
James points out charity,works of love,in a person's life,which if they lack and being selfish,and not caring about the needs of others,or to show any kind of love towards them then their faith is dead.
To call people names,and not love your enemies caring for their needs,and being unkind,and not caring that they are fed and clothed,and help them where ever they have a need,and doing it intentionally then faith is dead,for God's kingdom is love,and to lack that love would put in the position of the kingdom of the world,which they lack in love,for only by the Spirit can you love perfectly.
Jas 2:21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar?
Jas 2:22 Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect?
Jas 2:23 And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God.
Jas 2:24 Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.
Jas 2:25 Likewise also was not Rahab the harlot justified by works, when she had received the messengers, and had sent them out another way?
Jas 2:26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.
James points out works of love towards God to obey Him,and works of love towards people as Rahab helping out the two men.
James points out have charity,works of love by the Spirit or your faith is dead.,and James is speaking when a person receives the Spirit.
1Co 13:2 And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries, and all knowledge; and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not charity, I am nothing.
1Ti 6:5 Perverse disputings of men of corrupt minds, and destitute of the truth, supposing that gain is godliness(money,material things,their wants): from such withdraw thyself.
1Ti 6:8 And having food and raiment let us be therewith content.
1Ti 6:10 For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows.
Paul is saying the same thing as James when a person receives the Spirit to have charity,works of love,and if people believe that God blesses with money,and material things for their wants,and preaches that withdraw yourselves from them,having food and clothing be content,for the love of money is the root of all evil because it neglects the poor and the needy,and God's kingdom is love,and out of all that we did on earth only love will go on forever,and Paul said if they lack then they have erred from the faith like James said their faith is dead.
Paul said we do not void out the law through faith,but we establish the law,and the law is spiritual,and holy,and just,and good,the moral laws,laws of love.
And love is more than only feeding the poor and needy,and caring about whatever need they have,but Paul said love does not think an evil thought,does not sin by the Spirit,and is not arrogant,not selfish,and not unkind,and we are to love our neighbors as ourselves,so however we want to prosper we should want that for our neighbors,and God said He wants equality among the saints,but how many people care that other saints benefit like them,and it is almost like every person for themself.
Any laws that are moral,and of love,are spiritual laws,always have to be obeyed,which means abstain from sin,for the Lord knows them that are His having this seal,let everyone that names the name of Christ depart from iniquity,and Paul said awake to righteousness,and sin not,but some do not have the knowledge of God,and he speaks that to their shame.
It is the same as the Old Testament to them that did not abide they were cut off,which Paul said do not be highminded but fear,for if God spared not them in the Old Testament that did not abide in the truth take heed lest He also not spare you,for if you do not continue in His goodness you will also be cut off,and do not depart from the living God by the deceitfulness of sins.
Rev 2:4 Nevertheless I have somewhat against thee, because thou hast left thy first love.
Rev 2:5 Remember therefore from whence thou art fallen, and repent, and do the first works; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will remove thy candlestick out of his place, except thou repent.
Rev 3:2 Be watchful, and strengthen the things which remain, that are ready to die: for I have not found thy works perfect before God.
Rev 3:3 Remember therefore how thou hast received and heard, and hold fast, and repent. If therefore thou shalt not watch, I will come on thee as a thief, and thou shalt not know what hour I will come upon thee.
And that is why there is warnings in the Bible because some do lack those works which Jesus tells them to repent,and if they could not ever fall from salvation,and their works have nothing to do with their salvation,and if they lack they are still right with God,then why the warnings in the Bible concerning it.
If you look at America and all the people that claim Christ you will see that the majority lack in love,which the Bible says they say they are rich,and increased in goods,and have need of nothing,and the last generation many people will be pure in their own eyes but not washed away from their filthiness.
Paul says the same thing as James to have works,charity,or you are nothing,and have erred from the faith.
People should understand when Paul is addressing the issue that all of our works apart from Christ cannot find us favor with God,for we were saved by faith alone,and our works did not matter for we were fleshy when we came to Christ,and when he is speaking according to being spiritual for Paul says the same thing as James.
When you receive the Spirit the situation changes to where your works do matter,because your love matters,and love is the fulfilling of the law,and to lack those works is to lack love,and love is greater than faith.
Paul was telling them that all the works they do in their false religions,or of the works of the Old Testament,the physical ordinances,will not find them favor with God,but only by confessing Christ can they find favor with God.
When Paul was addressing them that their works will not save them,they have not confessed Christ yet,and have not received the Spirit yet.
When they confessed Christ they did not receive the Spirit yet,so faith alone,and not saved by works,is the only thing they could do.
When they received the Spirit then the situation changed from being fleshy to being spiritual so then they had to have works of the Spirit,charity,works of love,to have faith active in their life,for love is the fulfilling of the law.
Paul said charity is greater than faith,and faith means nothing without charity,works of love,which can only be done perfectly by the Spirit.
Faith works by love,and it is love alone,not faith alone.
If a person lacks works of love,then they lack faith,for love is the fulfilling of the law.
After Paul addressed them that their works will not find them favor with God but only by confessing Christ,then he addresses them in the spiritual sense having the Spirit,and must have works of love to have faith active in their life,and says the same thing as James.
Paul says the same thing as James,and people should understand when Paul is speaking according to them being fleshy when they confess Christ that it is faith alone,and not saved by works,and when he is speaking to them being spiritual having works of love by the Spirit.
When we first come to Christ it is faith alone,and not saved by works,for that is all we can do,but some people want to drag that throughout their walk with God,but after we receive the Spirit then it is faith without works is dead,and a person is justified by works,and not faith alone,for we have to have works of love,for faith to be active in our life,and they are not works of the flesh,but of the Spirit.
And there is no lacking concerning that and think you are alright with God,for the Bible says love is the fulfilling of the law,and only goes by their needs,and helps people with their needs,and even feeds and clothes their enemies,and prays for them,and blesses them,and is not unkind.
We see many people that say faith alone,and not saved by works,that lack in love and their lifestyle testifies of it.
Jas 2:14 What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him?
Jas 2:15 If a brother or sister be naked, and destitute of daily food,
Jas 2:16 And one of you say unto them, Depart in peace, be ye warmed and filled; notwithstanding ye give them not those things which are needful to the body; what doth it profit?
Jas 2:17 Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.
James points out charity,works of love,in a person's life,which if they lack and being selfish,and not caring about the needs of others,or to show any kind of love towards them then their faith is dead.
To call people names,and not love your enemies caring for their needs,and being unkind,and not caring that they are fed and clothed,and help them where ever they have a need,and doing it intentionally then faith is dead,for God's kingdom is love,and to lack that love would put in the position of the kingdom of the world,which they lack in love,for only by the Spirit can you love perfectly.
Jas 2:21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar?
Jas 2:22 Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect?
Jas 2:23 And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God.
Jas 2:24 Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.
Jas 2:25 Likewise also was not Rahab the harlot justified by works, when she had received the messengers, and had sent them out another way?
Jas 2:26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.
James points out works of love towards God to obey Him,and works of love towards people as Rahab helping out the two men.
James points out have charity,works of love by the Spirit or your faith is dead.,and James is speaking when a person receives the Spirit.
1Co 13:2 And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries, and all knowledge; and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not charity, I am nothing.
1Ti 6:5 Perverse disputings of men of corrupt minds, and destitute of the truth, supposing that gain is godliness(money,material things,their wants): from such withdraw thyself.
1Ti 6:8 And having food and raiment let us be therewith content.
1Ti 6:10 For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows.
Paul is saying the same thing as James when a person receives the Spirit to have charity,works of love,and if people believe that God blesses with money,and material things for their wants,and preaches that withdraw yourselves from them,having food and clothing be content,for the love of money is the root of all evil because it neglects the poor and the needy,and God's kingdom is love,and out of all that we did on earth only love will go on forever,and Paul said if they lack then they have erred from the faith like James said their faith is dead.
Paul said we do not void out the law through faith,but we establish the law,and the law is spiritual,and holy,and just,and good,the moral laws,laws of love.
And love is more than only feeding the poor and needy,and caring about whatever need they have,but Paul said love does not think an evil thought,does not sin by the Spirit,and is not arrogant,not selfish,and not unkind,and we are to love our neighbors as ourselves,so however we want to prosper we should want that for our neighbors,and God said He wants equality among the saints,but how many people care that other saints benefit like them,and it is almost like every person for themself.
Any laws that are moral,and of love,are spiritual laws,always have to be obeyed,which means abstain from sin,for the Lord knows them that are His having this seal,let everyone that names the name of Christ depart from iniquity,and Paul said awake to righteousness,and sin not,but some do not have the knowledge of God,and he speaks that to their shame.
It is the same as the Old Testament to them that did not abide they were cut off,which Paul said do not be highminded but fear,for if God spared not them in the Old Testament that did not abide in the truth take heed lest He also not spare you,for if you do not continue in His goodness you will also be cut off,and do not depart from the living God by the deceitfulness of sins.
Rev 2:4 Nevertheless I have somewhat against thee, because thou hast left thy first love.
Rev 2:5 Remember therefore from whence thou art fallen, and repent, and do the first works; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will remove thy candlestick out of his place, except thou repent.
Rev 3:2 Be watchful, and strengthen the things which remain, that are ready to die: for I have not found thy works perfect before God.
Rev 3:3 Remember therefore how thou hast received and heard, and hold fast, and repent. If therefore thou shalt not watch, I will come on thee as a thief, and thou shalt not know what hour I will come upon thee.
And that is why there is warnings in the Bible because some do lack those works which Jesus tells them to repent,and if they could not ever fall from salvation,and their works have nothing to do with their salvation,and if they lack they are still right with God,then why the warnings in the Bible concerning it.
If you look at America and all the people that claim Christ you will see that the majority lack in love,which the Bible says they say they are rich,and increased in goods,and have need of nothing,and the last generation many people will be pure in their own eyes but not washed away from their filthiness.
Paul says the same thing as James to have works,charity,or you are nothing,and have erred from the faith.
People should understand when Paul is addressing the issue that all of our works apart from Christ cannot find us favor with God,for we were saved by faith alone,and our works did not matter for we were fleshy when we came to Christ,and when he is speaking according to being spiritual for Paul says the same thing as James.
When you receive the Spirit the situation changes to where your works do matter,because your love matters,and love is the fulfilling of the law,and to lack those works is to lack love,and love is greater than faith.
Hello David,
I fail to see where the posts condemns anyone.
It doesn't claim James preached saved by works.
It does point out the James is writing to Jews.
It makes no mention of Peter. Although Peter does speak in the verses posted.
I don't understand your point about Paul declaring the power of works & how that applies to this post. As the post makes no such claim or even implies such a thing.
Anti cannonites? This reference lost me too.
Ascribing Paul to a by works Mantle? Again, The post makes no such claim or even implies that.
The posts points out, that in no place does James speak of or to the Body of Christ. That in no place does James speak about the power of the resurrection. Feel free to post the verses in the book of James that do.
The key point in the post is what happen at the Councel of Jerusalem 7-14 years after James is written.
Under Mosaic law all males had to be circumcised & keep the law of Moses. If you read the beginng verses is Acts 15 you see a heated debate over these issues. The final judgment thay made was gentiles don't have to be circumcised or keep the law of Moses.
All the epistles in the NT are written to Christians, including that of James. In his case it is written to Hebrew Christians, just as the epistle to the Hebrews is written to Hebrew Christians. That does not mean that these epistles DO NOT have universal application to all Christians (Jews or Gentiles). Please note the following statements, keeping in mind that all the apostles addressed Christians as their brethren or their beloved brethren:
James, a servant of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ...
My brethren...
Do not err, my beloved brethren...
My brethren, have not the faith of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Lord of glory, with respect of persons... [NOTE: ONLY CHRISTIANS HAVE THE FAITH OF OUR LORD JESUS CHRIST]
Hearken, my beloved brethren...
My brethren, be not many masters...
Speak not evil one of another, brethren...
Be patient therefore, brethren, unto the coming of the Lord...
Take, my brethren, the prophets, who have spoken in the name of the Lord...
But above all things, my brethren, swear not...
Is any sick among you? let him call for the elders of the church... [NOTE: ONLY CHRISTIANS ARE IN CHURCHES WITH ELDERS]
James, a servant of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ...
My brethren...
Do not err, my beloved brethren...
My brethren, have not the faith of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Lord of glory, with respect of persons... [NOTE: ONLY CHRISTIANS HAVE THE FAITH OF OUR LORD JESUS CHRIST]
Hearken, my beloved brethren...
My brethren, be not many masters...
Speak not evil one of another, brethren...
Be patient therefore, brethren, unto the coming of the Lord...
Take, my brethren, the prophets, who have spoken in the name of the Lord...
But above all things, my brethren, swear not...
Is any sick among you? let him call for the elders of the church... [NOTE: ONLY CHRISTIANS ARE IN CHURCHES WITH ELDERS]