How old is planet earth?

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BeyondET

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I do not think this would have stopped God from telling Moses what to write, I think if he wanted us to know the earth was a million years old, He would have had moses write it

How much prophesy did God have prophets put down where they could have not understood what it meant, yet he had them right it down anyway.

here is the thing,

was the physical world made for spiritual beings (satan)

or was the physical world made for physical beings (man)

if it was made for man (which I use as my basis) then God would have created the heavens and earth in a way to do what man needed,,

ie, It would have been formed complete for its purpose.

Man did not evolve, He created man fully formed

Creation (the universe including earth) could be created the same way, Not to evolve over millions or billions of years, but in its completed state in just a few days. (god can do this)

To you or I or any scientist, then the earth would appear to be billions of years old. Because of the reasons old earth people use (like how long it take light from the farthest start to appear on earth)
Indeed bro, you have made a lot of good points in this thread a lot I agree in about how old the earth is, and I've had lets say a moment in time of humbleness, in my thinking of measures of time and why the mentioning of creation in days rather than years etc was explained in that way. The word day can be of a universe universal statement per say. How old is heaven where God is? IMO one day because in Heaven that day never ends, it's always light. No morning or evening, nighttime or daytime, but light.
The word day is the most true and correct wording to use to teach of a time frame of creation, why because the word can go anywhere in the whole universe and mention creation as in a day and be true.

IMO by way of hypothesis if intelligent beings where to exists through out the universe then every Mentally Aware Neurotransmitter would comprehend what a day is by their own sun and how long the day is for them. yet still not speaking anything different that isn't true for them in their part of the universe.

Human science says the earth is 4.5 billion well this maybe true if standing on earth but upon leaving the earth does this concept of time change so this measurement of 4.5 billion years might be flawed. if say humans did travel to another planet Mercury, Jupitor or another solar system, the whole 4.5 billion years could goes right out the window but what would be constant is the measuring of one day on any planet orbiting around any sun, anywhere in the whole universe.

Even on earth there are examples of this, let's say for example I lived in Florida and was talking with a person in dead horse Alaska by phone for 3 days but they didn't have mechanical or digital clock or even a sundial, I probably would have a debate on my hands about how long the day is and or how many days it's been since talking with them. here's a time lapse vid of a 24 hour day in that place it doesn't look quite that easy to till how long the day is in that place.

[video=youtube;4rMYrP8feJY]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4rMYrP8feJY[/video]

then there's some more bigger measures this is of light speed as you mentioned, this is real for there is a speed at which you can see lightning and hear the Lightning or like holding a flash light in front of your eyes and turning it on there's a time frame at which the light takes to reach your eyes very small indeed but nonetheless exists. The atomic clock is based on the flickering light within a certain molecule Atom.

Oddly enough our own calanders are always changing because of trying to tell time.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Indeed bro, you have made a lot of good points in this thread a lot I agree in about how old the earth is, and I've had lets say a moment in time of humbleness, in my thinking of measures of time and why the mentioning of creation in days rather than years etc was explained in that way. The word day can be of a universe universal statement per say. How old is heaven where God is? IMO one day because in Heaven that day never ends, it's always light. No morning or evening, nighttime or daytime, but light.
The word day is the most true and correct wording to use to teach of a time frame of creation, why because the word can go anywhere in the whole universe and mention creation as in a day and be true.

IMO by way of hypothesis if intelligent beings where to exists through out the universe then every Mentally Aware Neurotransmitter would comprehend what a day is by their own sun and how long the day is for them. yet still not speaking anything different that isn't true for them in their part of the universe.

Human science says the earth is 4.5 billion well this maybe true if standing on earth but upon leaving the earth does this concept of time change so this measurement of 4.5 billion years might be flawed. if say humans did travel to another planet Mercury, Jupitor or another solar system, the whole 4.5 billion years could goes right out the window but what would be constant is the measuring of one day on any planet orbiting around any sun, anywhere in the whole universe.

Even on earth there are examples of this, let's say for example I lived in Florida and was talking with a person in dead horse Alaska by phone for 3 days but they didn't have mechanical or digital clock or even a sundial, I probably would have a debate on my hands about how long the day is and or how many days it's been since talking with them. here's a time lapse vid of a 24 hour day in that place it doesn't look quite that easy to till how long the day is in that place.

[video=youtube;4rMYrP8feJY]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4rMYrP8feJY[/video]

then there's some more bigger measures this is of light speed as you mentioned, this is real for there is a speed at which you can see lightning and hear the Lightning or like holding a flash light in front of your eyes and turning it on there's a time frame at which the light takes to reach your eyes very small indeed but nonetheless exists. The atomic clock is based on the flickering light within a certain molecule Atom.

Oddly enough our own calanders are always changing because of trying to tell time.

Indeed do we use the solar calendar or the lunar? Hebrew has a different calendar that we do based on a 30 day month with a sabbath year to make up for the time difference. So many things affect time and space. I can see and understand why science thinks the earth is that old. they need it to. they want questions answered, and it is about the only logical way to answer how the earth got to the way it is, to support life. Miracles are not something science put into an equation, SO if God did (big if) make it all in a few days, then they have no way to explain it. Even Gap theorists need a large amount of time in their theory, so YEC does not fit their mold.

Thats why I said, we all base our beliefs on what we consider our root cause and root effect.. But we will most likely not find out what really happened until we get to heaven

But its fun to talk about (if we keep it civil)
 
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BeyondET

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Indeed do we use the solar calendar or the lunar? Hebrew has a different calendar that we do based on a 30 day month with a sabbath year to make up for the time difference. So many things affect time and space. I can see and understand why science thinks the earth is that old. they need it to. they want questions answered, and it is about the only logical way to answer how the earth got to the way it is, to support life. Miracles are not something science put into an equation, SO if God did (big if) make it all in a few days, then they have no way to explain it. Even Gap theorists need a large amount of time in their theory, so YEC does not fit their mold.

Thats why I said, we all base our beliefs on what we consider our root cause and root effect.. But we will most likely not find out what really happened until we get to heaven

But its fun to talk about (if we keep it civil)
Yea the gregorian calander is the most widely used solar calandar, the Hebrew a lunar calander, the Hebrew calander is quite accurate, but it's not perfect still need tweaking from time to time. all calanders need adjusting at some point. Our solar and lunar cycles are not lined up, our planet wobbles, other things in our solar system have a affect on the speed of our planet the gravitional pulls of near masses. God created our solar system time bubbles, as perfectly imperfect, like a four leaf clover in the middle of a field of three leaf clovers.

if people lived on Mercury and chatted with people on earth the debate about the correct length of day would be endless no doubt. It's probably not best to look to far into time or back in time, reach to far into it or back in it, can lead to a lot of confusion what is the truly correct time.

Between You and I, you may say each creation day was only 24 hours long, and I may say that each creation day was 1,440,000,000 years long, neither you nor I can be 100% correct in our analogy of time but no doubt we can both say and agree on that it was a day, that analogy of a day can be shared in a similier way throughout the cosmos if God had chosen that to happen, and surely He is the One who knows that answer. Indeed it's fun talking about such things. :)
 
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BeyondET

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interesting thing, yesterday was the longest day of the year called the summer solstice, starting today the sun will set 3 seconds earlier than yesterday and continue to set each day 3 seconds less than the day before up to the winter solstice the shortest day, then reverse the cycle.
 

Zmouth

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You lack understanding of Genesis 1:1,
so naturally you're not going to get the rest of it.
Genesis 1:1, as correctly translated, states that
"In the beginning God created the heaven (singular) and the earth (lowercase e)."
Heaven is referring to all space, and earth is referring to
all matter, and the point is that they had a beginning.
The word "earth" in that verse is not speaking of planet Earth, but matter itself.
Verses 8 and 10 specify the atmosphere and planet, respectively.
The corrupted translations are a major source of confusion,
and no doubt part of your "many more problems".
You are correct about missing the rest if one is off from the beginning. As written in Matthew 7:14 "Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it."

So is your interpretation that the eternal God created heaven and earth, if so then what is space made of?
 
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Zmouth

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Nov 21, 2012
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You lack understanding of Genesis 1:1,
so naturally you're not going to get the rest of it.
Genesis 1:1, as correctly translated, states that
"In the beginning God created the heaven (singular) and the earth (lowercase e)."
Heaven is referring to all space, and earth is referring to
all matter, and the point is that they had a beginning.
The word "earth" in that verse is not speaking of planet Earth, but matter itself.
Verses 8 and 10 specify the atmosphere and planet, respectively.
The corrupted translations are a major source of confusion,
and no doubt part of your "many more problems".
You are correct about missing the rest if one is off from the beginning. As written in Matthew 7:14 "Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it."

So is your interpretation that the eternal God created heaven and earth, if so then what is space made of?
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