Interdimensional Portals

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ForthAngel

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Denadii,

I've scanned through your posts, and I'm trying to figure out what you mean by an 'interdimensional portal.' Dimensions are things like height, width, and length. Some physicist (I think it was Einstein) would say 'time' is a dimension. I heard an astrophysicist try to explain extra dimensions as a way Jesus might have disappeared when He appeared to the disciples. That's not the same thing as a 'parallel world', though.

I've seen the show sliders. I've never seen a worm hole open up and see adventurers fall out. I've never fell in a hole like that or even seen one. Do you include this kind of sci-fi stuff in your 'interdimensional portal' definition, or is it just 'portals' to spiritual realms you are talking about?

Do you mean a portal to a parallel world like a comicbook multiverse? Or only 'portals' to Hell and Heaven you are thinking of?

I can't think of any Biblical support for portals. I don't see any reason to think a whirlwinds is a portal. Would angels or dead spirits have to go through a 'portal' to get to heaven or hell? I suppose it's theoretically possible, but I don't know of any evidence for it.
I can't answer for Denadii, but the stuff I've looked into about it always tries to bring in Quantum Physics, Multi-verse theory and String Theory. Most of it is just a bizarre mixture of theoretical science and Christianity.
 

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Multi-verse theory is one of the theories some of the physicists resort to to explain away the astronomically small possibility that life should be able to exist in the universe. If there were an infinite number of universes, our existence seems a lot more likely statistically. I don't know of any real evidence for multiverses, beyond our existence. Some physicists think multi-verse theory is ridiculous based on some quotes I've read.
 

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Multi-verse theory is one of the theories some of the physicists resort to to explain away the astronomically small possibility that life should be able to exist in the universe. If there were an infinite number of universes, our existence seems a lot more likely statistically. I don't know of any real evidence for multiverses, beyond our existence. Some physicists think multi-verse theory is ridiculous based on some quotes I've read.
From what I understand (I may be wrong), quantum physics is entirely theoretical. That includes multiverse theory. A lot of physicists may be rejecting it because it is moving into metaphysics and even spiritualism (like Buddhism and Hinduism) in its attempt at trying to understand what consciousness is and why awareness of our own awareness is possible (self-awareness). Science hasn't been able to explain that one yet.
 

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I believe spirits move into and out of our dimension at will. And no special 'portals' have to 'open up' for that naturally occurring movement to take place anywhere, anytime.

You've been watching too much Star Trek.
You can never watch too much Star trek Willy! There is a story going round that a member of the Collider experiment disappeared leaving his clothes and belongings behind when they increased the speed a tad. Perhaps he was a Pre Tribber that lost his patience waiting for the 23 September to come.
 

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You can never watch too much Star trek Willy! There is a story going round that a member of the Collider experiment
disapeared leaving his clothes and belongings behind when they increased the speed a tad. Perhaps he was a Pre Tribber
that lost his patience waiting for the 23 September to come.
Sounds like Terminator.
 
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you really want to know something that will pop your bubble....the evil in the world today is not near at the level it was during the time of Jesus and even Paul. Solomon said it best and you and others like the occultism symbols dude should read and heed.

There is nothing new under the sun....all is futility[vanity] and evil...

The world is getting darker for sure, but we are the light of the world so either shine on or take a seat....
Amen!

People seem to be forgetting that there have been as bad, or way worse things in the past as/ than there is now.
(Because saying things are getting worse now makes our time so much more interesting I guess).
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The end times have been going on since Jesus' time (or maybe even Daniels' time), so....
 
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So then The consensus is...Inter dimensional portals do not exist. Ok....I'll accept that most here to not believe they exist. Even though I am certain that they do. I believe that many 'creatures' seen by thousands of people across the planet exist and come and go through just this type of portal. Loch Nes for an example...Thousands of people have seen this creature over hundreds of years. Yet they look for it, and there is not enough life in that lake to support such a creature and there is no sign of the creature itself. Where is it. Probably staying at one of he inns along the shore. Hiding while they search for it? Or did it pass through a portal and it's no longer there? Sasquatch...It scares the stuffing our of someone. They run away and come back with friends. No sign of it. Hmmm It vanished. Or maybe it hired a plane and flew away? Nope. What about other creatures seen around the world? Cryptids, chimera, all of them. Where do they disappear to?
Believe it or not. Like it or not. These portals do exist. If the bible talks about the gates of hell, does it not make sense that ther are other gates/portals too?
 
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My final post on this subject Oh Look at all the pretty pictures!

Q. Do you think it's possible there are parallel worlds or other dimensions in the universe? I know the Bible isn't a science textbook. But is there any information in the Bible about that? I'm hooked on sci-fi and enjoy stories about space travel and wonder if this could be a part of mankind's future.

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While it's true that the Bible is not a science textbook, nevertheless it is accurate in what it does portray about our world and universe. You can find many examples of this.

Examples of Biblical Science

For instance, when cultures believed the earth was carried on the back of a turtle or held on the shoulders of Atlas, the Bible maintained that the earth is round (Isa 40:22, Job 26:10). The Bible talks about the earth's suspension in space (Job 26:7) and that the universe is expanding (Zech 12:1, Job 9:8). In the ESV or KJV translations we even see that the earth rotates or is "turned like clay under the seal" (Job 38:14).

Limited Dimensional Creatures

One of our problems is that we live in only four dimensions. They are height, width, depth, and really only one-half a dimension of time because we can't move backwards in time yet. Yet, quantum physics suggest there may be at least 11 dimensions - possibly more if you believe in a multiverse.

But, because we are so limited we can't even understand "time" let alone other dimensions. Imagine what it means for time to pass faster on earth while an astronaut travels long distances through space. When he returns he may find that hundreds of years have passed on earth.

Do you understand that? I can't - not really.

Yet, the Bible says that for God "a thousand years in your sight are like a day that has just gone by" (Psalm 90:4).

Time is Relative

The Apostle Peter expands upon this idea even more. He says, "With the Lord a day is like a thousand years and a thousand years are like a day" (2 Pet 3:8).

An Eternity for God to Answer Prayer

What this probably means is that the passing of time is more relative than we think. For God anyway, time can pass more quickly or slowly as he desires. For instance, as you cry out "God help me" at the point in time of a serious car crash, God has an eternity to answer your prayer!

Awesome.

God's Helicopter Viewpoint

The Bible tells us that only God inhabits eternity (Isa 57:15, KJV or NKJV). Like a helicopter hovering above a parade, God can see the beginning and end of the parade (past and future). However, bystanders alongside the parade can only see each float as it passes by them (the present). They cannot see the beginning or end of the parade - they only see each float individually as it passes by.

Hunting for Jewels

Regardless of our limitations, God does insert little "tidbits" in His Word that hint at parallel worlds and other dimensions. These are fun to find and research - like little jewels placed here and there throughout the Bible just for His children to discover.



Hyper Dimensional Capabilities

One Biblical example is the "hyper dimensional capabilities" of Jesus. Astro physicist Hugh Ross explains that Jesus appears to move in at least 11 dimensions.

He could materialize and dematerialize while His body was still tangible (called "flesh and bones"). (Luke 24:39-40, John 20:19, 26).

He could foretell the future (like a news reporter in a helicopter hovering above the parade telling bystanders what floats are coming). (e.g. Matthew 24).

He hinted that we exist alongside parallel realities which open up to us from time to time. "For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them" (Matthew 18:20).

He demonstrated nine spatial dimensions (which mathematically allowed him to rotate in and out of three-dimensional spaces) and two dimensions of time (Ross 1996, 59).




Other Worlds

But, did Jesus speak of other worlds or dimensions in our universe?

We think He did.

Here is one example among many from the New Testament. When Pilate cross-examined Jesus he asked…"Your own nation and the chief priests delivered You to me. What have you done?"

"Jesus answered, 'My kingdom is not of this world. If My kingdom were of this world, then My servants would be fighting so that I would not be handed over to the Jews - but as it is, My kingdom is not of this realm'" (John 18:35-36, NASB).

Mythologizing Facts

I suspect we have "mythologized" this Johanine passage to the extent that we do not see it for what it really is. Jesus clearly said that His kingdom is in another realm.

Webster's Dictionary defines "realm" as kingdom, sphere, or domain. "Domain" is defined as "a territory over which dominion is exercised, or a "sphere of knowledge, influence, or activity." Finally, "dimension" is defined as the "extent, scope, or proportions" as well as length, breadth or thickness."

In other words, Jesus clearly pointed-out that His rulership is over a different territory than on the earth. It is presently separate from earth.



Who is Ruling Earth?

So as it stands right now just who is controlling our planet? If our current world is not completely ruled by Jesus Christ (God) then who or what is?

The answer is eye-opening and stunning. It clearly suggests the possibility of parallel worlds and extra dimensions right beside us on our planet. Here and now. In the present realm. Perhaps in a fifth dimension or some other dimension we can't yet imagine.

Invisible Worlds

In clear language the Bible tells us that Satan is the ruler of this world! (Jn 14:30). The entire planet is held in the grips of the evil one ( 1 Jn 5:19).

The Bible tells us that we are surrounded by an invisible world consisting of other beings called "angels" and "demons," "principalities" and "forces."

Paul says, "For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the powers, against the world forces of this darkness, against the spiritual forces of wickedness in the heavenly places" (Eph 6:12).

In his letter to the Colossians Paul says that Christ created all things, "both in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities - all things have been created through Him and for Him" (Col 1:16).

Similar to Us

In these two passages Paul is telling us that there is an entire universe of invisible beings ("in the heavens and on earth"). These are parallel worlds to us. We can't see them. But, they exist alongside us and are similar to us.

Ranks

They are organized in rank and a hierarchical structure (principalities, dominions, powers, authorities). Just as we have governments, kings, or dictators ruling over certain territories - so do they. Just as many of our rulers are evil or cunning - so are they (forces of darkness).

A Mirage

Paul warns us that many of our daily battles against humans are just a mirage. Instead, we are actually battling those who inhabit this invisible world. So when that "jerk" cuts in front of you don't assume he is the one who really angered you. It may be an invisible force. When your boss throws a temper-tantrum and threatens to fire you, he may have been encouraged by some evil entity.

Think Star Trek

Think Star Trek, Star Wars, Star Gate, or your favorite sci-fi series. Many of these imaginative series portray invisible forces or entities that create virtual realities and limitless challenges for humans. Human beings are possessed by aliens, have their perceptions altered, are tricked into behaving certain ways, and so forth.

Use your imagination and Biblical insights to understand what may be happening to the human race in the twenty-first century. We are not alone. We are surrounded by myriads and myriads of angelic forces and evil "aliens."

Why the Fuss?

When we consider that atheists - who believe in no gods - are so filled with hatred and venom toward those of faith, we "scratch our heads" and wonder why all the fuss? What makes them so hostile and vicious in attacking religion? If one is truly an "atheist" wouldn't he prefer to politely ignore those who disagree with him? Why the desperate attempts to ridicule, demean and castigate those who disagree with them?

Maybe they are ruled by invisible forces, too.

Christians Move in Parallel Worlds

In any event, Christians belong to Jesus Christ. While we live on earth we exist in enemy territory. We live and move among hostile forces as we go about our daily lives. So we ourselves are a part of "parallel worlds" until we enter heaven.

Confidence in Invisible Entities

One possible biblical example of a parallel world occurred when the Prophet Elisha's servant became absolutely "unglued" seeing that an enemy had surrounded the two of them. He probably thought, "Time up" and "Game over." "Just get me out of here!"

But, then his master said a strange thing to him. Elisha said, "Do not be afraid, for those who are with us are more than those who are with them" (2 Kings 6:16).

Can you imagine what this poor servant thought of Elisha's remark? "Yah…right. Here we sit alone and surrounded by enemy forces and you want me to think there's more of 'us' than them?"

So Elisha patiently prayed for his terrified partner, "O Lord, please open his eyes that he may see. So the Lord opened the eyes of the young man, and he saw, and behold, the mountain was full of horses and chariots of fire all around Elisha" (2 Kings 6:17, ESV).

These were invisible angel warriors made temporarily visible to humans. Yes. This story should remind all of us that when we feel utterly alone and abandoned, we are not. It only "appears" that way to us. Our loneliness is a mirage.




Dimensions

In fact, the Bible repeatedly assures us that what we see is not all there is.

Consider the following references suggesting a number of possible alternate realities or dimensions in addition to the ones we have already discussed:

Portals or Gateways?

Is it possible that the Bible may have been speaking about portals or gateways into the heavens or hell(s) in various places throughout the Bible?



Stephen

For example, as Stephen was stoned to death he said, "Behold, I see the heavens opened up and the Son of Man standing at the right hand of God" (Acts 7:56). We know that Stephen wasn't in heaven yet. But, he witnessed the heavens "opening up" and could see what was apparently right in front of him.

Jacob

In the popular story about Jacob's Ladder the angels "ascending and descending" on the ladder to heaven may represent a portal into another dimension according to a few creative thinkers (Genesis 28:12).

Son of Man

In the Gospel of John we read, "And He said to him, 'Truly, truly, I say to you, you will see heaven opened, and the angels of God ascending and descending on the Son of Man" (Jn 1:51). While this references Christ as the "Son of Man" and may be referring to Jacob's ladder, others think it may additionally refer to another portal into heaven. Who knows?

Ezekiel

The Old Testament prophet Ezekiel mentions that while he was by a river "the heavens were opened and I saw visions of God" (Ezek 1:1).

Ezekiel calls this a "vision." Yet, like Jacob's dream do we know if it was "real" or not?



Heavens

We do know of 3 heavens mentioned in the Bible:

The sky around earth.
The outer space realm.
The third heaven where God resides.

Hells

We also know there is a heavenly realm and a hellish dimension. Luke 16 tells us there is a great chasm between heaven and hell (Luke 16:26). Each area may possibly consist of separate dimensions or parallel worlds. There is the abyss that holds demons, Tartarus that imprisons evil angels, Hades or the grave, and "outer darkness" and the "lake of fire." Are these realms simply additional dimensions within hell?

We know that some of those in hell will be able to "see" those in heaven and will mourn their own sad state (Luke 13:28).

Finally, there are degrees of hell mentioned in the Bible (Matt 11:22-24). Could these degrees of hell also exist in parallel dimensions next to one another?

Kryptonite Planet?

Ezekiel hints that Satan may have been part of a "mineral" earth rather than a biological one of plants, trees and animals. …"The ruby, the topaz and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx and the jasper…was in you on the day that you were created." …You were on the holy mountain of God. You walked in the midst of the stones of fire…" (Ezekiel 28:13-15).

Think "Kryptonite Planet" from the adventures of Superman. …Hmmm…maybe….maybe not…

Atmospheric Multitudes?

The Bible suggests angels will carry believers into the heavenly realm (Lk 16:22).

Perhaps this is because there are so many evil entities roaming throughout our atmosphere that we need guidance and protection from dark angels as we travel to our new residence in the heavenly dimension. After all Paul informs us that Satan is the "Prince of the power of the air" (Eph 2:2). (See also Eph 6:12&Col. 1:16).


Nuclear Conflgration of the Universe?

In the not-too-distant future our current universe will be destroyed in what appears to be a nuclear conflagration (2 Pet 3:10). We will be provided a new earth in a new universe (2 Pet 3:13). This may be a direct reference to a parallel universe which exists alongside an eternal hell called the "lake of fire" in Revelation 20.



Brilliant Space-City?

After the destruction of our former earth and universe, we will be residing in what appears to be a description of an astonishingly brilliant, jewel-like space-city that travels "down" from heaven to the new earth (Rev 21:10). You might want to consider illustrations such as the "cloud cities" in Star Wars or the flying space-city in Stargate Atlantis (seasons 3&4) to help you picture this. Is it possible?



Ruling Outer Space Territories?

In fact, in a stunning revelation Psalm 8 lets us know that mankind was originally created to rule over the works of God's hands. What are the "works of God's fingers?" In verse 1 we find the answer: "the heavens, the moon and the stars." We know that one day God will restore our Adamic authority and His creation…"that the creation itself also will be set free from its slavery to corruption into the freedom of the glory of the children of God" (Ro 8:21).

Using Imagination

Be sure to use your God-given imagination as you picture the possibilities God may have in mind for His children. And remember, the Bible is not just a book of do's and dont's - it is your portal into the wonders of creation that God has in store for you!

"THINGS WHICH EYE HAS NOT
SEEN AND EAR HAS NOT HEARD,
AND WHICH HAVE NOT ENTERED
THE HEART OF MAN,
ALL THAT GOD HAS PREPARED FOR
THOSE WHO LOVE HIM.
For to us God revealed them through the Spirit - for the Spirit searches all things, even the depths of God."


(1 Cor 2:9-10, NASB).

We tend to forget the second half of this verse. Remember that God has "revealed" these things to us through His Spirit. So use your creative minds and be joyful about the wonderful anticipation of our glorious future soon to be revealed to us! I can't wait…how about you?
 

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I remember the original Stargate film which was at that time a novel concept for most people. Yes I believe there are portals that lead into other dimensions and that they are spiritual in origin. I dont think we are meant to mess around with them. I have believed for years that UFO's originate from another dimension rather than outer space. Judging from eye witness reports they are not here for our good.
 
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I remember the original Stargate film which was at that time a novel concept for most people. Yes I believe there are portals that lead into other dimensions and that they are spiritual in origin. I dont think we are meant to mess around with them. I have believed for years that UFO's originate from another dimension rather than outer space. Judging from eye witness reports they are not here for our good.
The funny thing is....Programs like Stargate and Star Trek are called 'soft disclosure' They know that these things are real. and they are preparing you for some upcoming events involving these things. A part of the great deception? Possibly.

I too believe that UFO's are inter dimensional rather than intergalactic. This soft disclosure is like this. All those demon movies? Vampire movies etc. People watch them and eventually the become immune to the fear of these creatures, and even begin to sympathize with some of them. Son of Satan is a hero? Really? Demons are heroes? Hmmm When the great deception comes even Christians will get sucked in by the Alien heroes that seeded humans on this planet, and now, at this critical juncture of our evolution, have returned to lead us into the next step.......Imagine the numbers of people who will accept that!
 

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The funny thing is....Programs like Stargate and Star Trek are called 'soft disclosure' They know that these things are real. and they are preparing you for some upcoming events involving these things. A part of the great deception? Possibly.

I too believe that UFO's are inter dimensional rather than intergalactic. This soft disclosure is like this. All those demon movies? Vampire movies etc. People watch them and eventually the become immune to the fear of these creatures, and even begin to sympathize with some of them. Son of Satan is a hero? Really? Demons are heroes? Hmmm When the great deception comes even Christians will get sucked in by the Alien heroes that seeded humans on this planet, and now, at this critical juncture of our evolution, have returned to lead us into the next step.......Imagine the numbers of people who will accept that!
I doubt that a real Christian would be deceived by them
 
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I doubt that a real Christian would be deceived by them
Now there is the operative word.....Real Christians....God is going to say to many 'Christians' "...I never knew you." Those 'Christians' are already deceived by much smaller things. The deception coming will be on a grand scale, almost like a movie production and much more "miraculous" One must know their enemy or said enemy will march right over him
 
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Now there is the operative word.....Real Christians....God is going to say to many 'Christians' "...I never knew you." Those 'Christians' are already deceived by much smaller things. The deception coming will be on a grand scale, almost like a movie production and much more "miraculous" One must know their enemy or said enemy will march right over him
[h=1] Matthew 24:23-25 (CJB)
[/h] [SUP]23 [/SUP]“At that time, if someone says to you, ‘Look! Here’s the Messiah!’ or, ‘There he is!’ don’t believe him. [SUP]24 [/SUP]For there will appear false Messiahs and false prophets performing great miracles — amazing things! — so as to fool even the chosen, if possible. [SUP]25 [/SUP]There! I have told you in advance!
 

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Those 'Christians' are already deceived by much smaller things.
Like a spherical ball flying through a deadly radiation-saturated vacuum?
 
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Like a spherical ball flying through a deadly radiation-saturated vacuum?
I know that there are glowing orbs seen quite a bit around Sedona Ar. What are you referring to?
 

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You can never watch too much Star trek Willy! There is a story going round that a member of the Collider experiment disappeared leaving his clothes and belongings behind when they increased the speed a tad. Perhaps he was a Pre Tribber that lost his patience waiting for the 23 September to come.
Sounds like Terminator.
He'll be back.
 

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I know that there are glowing orbs seen quite a bit around Sedona Ar. What are you referring to?
You've made a thread bordering on the occult and are talking down to other Christians as if you're higher than them because they've been deceived by 'small things', and in a thread about the flat earth you mocked that the earth is a corkscrew shape after you saw God's scripture on the matter.

I guess the point of my post was to show you the hypocrisy.

May God be glorified.
 
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You've made a thread bordering on the occult and are talking down to other Christians as if you're higher than them because they've been deceived by 'small things', and in a thread about the flat earth you mocked that the earth is a corkscrew shape after you saw God's scripture on the matter.

I guess the point of my post was to show you the hypocrisy.

May God be glorified.
I'm not talking down to anybody...And you're just judging. This subject is not about the occult bur it is supernatural....Can you handle supernatural?