Jesus IS King!!!

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And no matter how much he conversed with God, unless He had given the devil permission, he would not have touched one hair on Job's body.

Who's in control? God or Satan?
He didn't touch one hair on Job's body . . . that was one of God's provisions :cool:

Are you asking me does God possess man and make man do what he says? No
Are you asking me if God allows and purports evil in people's lives so that he then can turn around and do good? No

Are you asking me if Satan has control over all the kingdoms in the world? Yes
Are you asking me if the whole world lies in the control of the evil one? Yes

Are you asking me if God has given us everything we need to stand, fight, be victorious, against the wickedness and the darkness in the world? Yes
Are you asking me if greater is he that is in me than he that is in the world? Yes


 
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Originally Posted by ForthAngel
I know I'll catch flack for this from the ones who hate when someone like me starts to use "isms" but a lot of those on the side of "Jesus isn't King" are almost expressing a form of dualism (two equal eternal forces at constant odds, one good and one evil), which is a dangerous position to take. The bible doesn't teach dualism. It teaches God is sovereign at all times and nothing is outside of his control ever. Some claim he doesn't have control whether by choice or by inability, both being untrue (most especially by inability).ome that adhere to this fallacious understanding are the same type that say God cannot do anything on earth unless man allows him to through prayer. To make the claim that Christ is not King and God is not in control is at it's core blasphemy and a severe attack on the character of God. And by logical extension, if God is not in control, then Satan is more powerful than we think and could actually win the fight. The only way this statement isn't possible is if God is in absolute control and Christ reigns as King, from eternity past, now, and forever.All this is really scary because people are essentially giving glory to Satan that does not belong to him but to Jesus Christ. "Satan is in control; he rules the earth unchecked; he is king for the time being; he is god of the world (everyone in the world)". This is exaltation of Satan over Christ. THIS is a perfect example of "Religious rhetoric and Spiritual wisdom"...ForthAngel having the Spiritual wisdom OF COURSE!
Of course.
 
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I do not see anyone attributing the works of Satan to God.
If God allows Satan to wreck havoc in a person's life - then God is working with Satan and therefore God would have to have darkness in him.

It don't work that way.
 
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Even James was "hoodwinked" and believed the story of Job was factual:

Behold, we consider those blessed who remained steadfast. You have heard of the steadfastness of Job, and you have seen the purpose of the Lord, how the Lord is compassionate and merciful. -- James 5:11 :D
I said it once and I will say it again - The story of Job is true . . . Just because a figure of speech is used does not make something less true.
An allegory is a story that teaches a lesson regarding human life . . . the lesson that is taught: Love God no matter the circumstances of what is going on around you - Love God not because of what he has given you but to love him because he is God.

 
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He didn't touch one hair on Job's body . . . that was one of God's provisions :cool:

Are you asking me does God possess man and make man do what he says? No
Are you asking me if God allows and purports evil in people's lives so that he then can turn around and do good? No

Are you asking me if Satan has control over all the kingdoms in the world? Yes
Are you asking me if the whole world lies in the control of the evil one? Yes

Are you asking me if God has given us everything we need to stand, fight, be victorious, against the wickedness and the darkness in the world? Yes
Are you asking me if greater is he that is in me than he that is in the world? Yes

hey, PB? why was Job sitting in ashes scraping himself with a piece of broken pottery?

Then Satan went out from the presence of the LORD and smote Job with sore boils from the sole of his foot to the crown of his head. (Job 2:7)

 

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Not all the time - God gives me the resources to do battle - He tells me to renew my mind, to put off the old man and put on the new man; that my flesh wars against my Spirit for these are contrary one with the other and that I am to put on the whole armor of God to fight against the wiles of the devil; to stand, quenching the fiery darts of the wicked; to pray without ceasing . . . But I guess that is just a lot of mumbo jumbo since God allows Satan to steal, kill and destroy me then he laughingly says "well that's enough for now" then he turns around and makes it all good.

I apologize but I just don't follow this reasoning. I do see where man pays the consequences for his actions . . . I do see where man fails and goes off on a wrong course; messes up God's perfect plan for their lives. But when man comes to his senses and turns back to God then God works things out for his good.

Darkness is coming when no man can work

What will we do in that day?
 
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hey, PB? why was Job sitting in ashes scraping himself with a piece of broken pottery?

Then Satan went out from the presence of the LORD and smote Job with sore boils from the sole of his foot to the crown of his head. (Job 2:7)
Oh my goodness - what could I be thinking? I was wrong about something - surely not!!!!

Behold, all that he has in in your power; only upon himself put not for your hand. (1:12) This is probably the verse I was thinking about . . . and not this one: he is in your hand but save his life . . (2:6)

Thank you - I stand corrected.

 

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Is Jesus ruling from the throne with a rod of iron at this time? And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron; Rev. 12:5 (Rev. 2:27, 19:15) Jesus came the first time as a suffering servant - He will come again as a conquering King.

Has death LITERALLY been conquered? Hebrews 3:8 You have put all things in subjection under his feet. For in that he put all in subjection under him, he left nothing that is not put under him. BUT now we see NOT YET all things put under him.

The last enemy to be destroyed is death . . Hebrews 2:14b . . that through death he might destroy him that has the power of death, that is, the devil. Has the devil been destroyed yet? Has death ACTUALLY been destroyed yet?

Rev. 20:10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone . . . Rev. 20:14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire . . .


Now seriously, is any of this heresy?
Some have already passed from death to LIFE and are already IN THE KINGDOM of THE SON

(in fact it is GOD who transferred us out of one kingdom and into another)...IN HIS SON whom HE loves
 

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Oh my goodness - what could I be thinking? I was wrong about something - surely not!!!!

Behold, all that he has in in your power; only upon himself put not for your hand. (1:12) This is probably the verse I was thinking about . . . and not this one: he is in your hand but save his life . . (2:6)

Thank you - I stand corrected.

I live that Job pled and prophecied man's dilemma for us!!! (Job 9)
imagine a man trying to bypass THE SON thinking that somehow, apart from GOD's PROVISION, a man can come into the presence of THE FATHER!


Job kept his mouth shut and would not profess himself before GOD. He understood

So also were we supposed to do so


however, it appears that some don't understand the magnitude of THE GIFT OF GOD
 
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Oh my goodness - what could I be thinking? I was wrong about something - surely not!!!!

Behold, all that he has in in your power; only upon himself put not for your hand. (1:12) This is probably the verse I was thinking about . . . and not this one: he is in your hand but save his life . . (2:6)

Thank you - I stand corrected.

I think you might have forgotten THE most important thing in the story of Job


The "hedge" was (temporarily) removed
otherwise satan couldn't have done A. N. Y. T. H. I. N. G
 

miknik5

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I was wondering, is psalm
2:12 to be obeyed now?


or later?
 

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Another question?

how many times is THE KINGDOM
going to be turned over to THE FATHER?
 

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I was also wondering how many DOORS into THE KINGDOM are there?
 
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There is only one true way... only one true door way...and you can only go in through the door... Jesus Christ
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If God allows Satan to wreck havoc in a person's life - then God is working with Satan and therefore God would have to have darkness in him.

It don't work that way.
Hi peacefulbeliever. God's will being sovereign over evil does not make his will evil, nor does it mean he participates in that evil. There is a bit of a mystery to it. Someone can commit an evil act of their own will, but God can have a will to make good come of it. Same act, two wills, one fallen and evil, one perfect and good. The perfect and good will of God will prevail.

Also, God is terrifying in his own right. I saw this post on my Facebook today and it serves as a solemn and terrifying reminder of the God we serve:

A few days ago I wrote a brief reflection on my favourite chapter of the Old Testament – Isaiah 52:13-53:12. If that doesn’t make you want to leap for joy and praise the Lord, there is something seriously wrong with you. However, not every chapter in the Bible is intended to lighten our steps – some of them are meant to put weight in our souls. So it is with Deuteronomy 28.

Deuteronomy 28 is not my favourite chapter in the Bible. Not by a long shot. In it, Moses tells the people of Israel that they are not strong enough to live apart from the protection of the Lord. He tells them that if they forsake their covenant with the Lord, then they will be exposed to the power of their enemy and they will fall.

The Bible says that our enemy seeks only to steal, kill and destroy and this story reminds us that he will use every weapon in his arsenal and every minion in his power to erase and deface the image of God in us. If the Lord is not our fortress, then we shall utterly despair! This chapter describes that prophesied desolation in almost unreadable detail.

“They shall besiege you in all your towns, until your high and fortified walls, in which you trusted, come down throughout all your land. And they shall besiege you in all your towns throughout all your land, which the Lord your God has given you. 53 And you shall eat the fruit of your womb, the flesh of your sons and daughters, whom the Lord your God has given you, in the siege and in the distress with which your enemies shall distress you. 54 The man who is the most tender and refined among you will begrudge food to his brother, to the wife he embraces, and to the last of the children whom he has left, 55 so that he will not give to any of them any of the flesh of his children whom he is eating, because he has nothing else left, in the siege and in the distress with which your enemy shall distress you in all your towns. 56 The most tender and refined woman among you, who would not venture to set the sole of her foot on the ground because she is so delicate and tender, will begrudge to the husband she embraces, to her son and to her daughter, 57 her afterbirth that comes out from between her feet and her children whom she bears, because lacking everything she will eat them secretly, in the siege and in the distress with which your enemy shall distress you in your towns.” (Deuteronomy 28:52–57 ESV)

Siege warfare is brutal and dehumanizing. The Jews endured it twice, first during the Babylonian assault in 589-586 BC and then again under the Romans in AD 69-70. Prophecy became history in the writings of Flavius Josephus. He records the story of a woman named Mary, driven mad by her incessant hunger during the Roman siege:

“Famine gnawed at her vitals, and the fire of rage was ever fiercer than famine. So, driven by fury and want, she committed a crime against nature. Seizing her child, an infant at the breast, she cried, “My poor baby, why should I keep you alive in this world of war and famine? Even if we live till the Romans come, they will make slaves of us; and anyway, hunger will get us before slavery does; and the rebels are crueler than both. Come, be food for me, and an avenging fury to the rebels, and a tale of cold horror to the world to complete the monstrous agony of the Jews.” With these words she killed her son, roasted the body, swallowed half of it, and stored the rest in a safe place.”1

It is very hard to read a prophecy like the one we read this morning in Deuteronomy 28; it is ever harder when we know that it actually happened – twice in the history of the Jewish people.

This is one of those chapters from which we would rather look away.

We would rather imagine a God who was only mercy.

We would rather imagine a God who was slightly less antagonistic towards human rebellion and sin.

However, the Bible does not give us such a God.

The Bible describes a God who is three times holy. He is HOLY. HOLY. HOLY. He is who He is, and He is not subject to our judgment or approval. He is glorified in the display of His mercy and He is glorified in the display of His judgments.

That is what the Bible says.

That is what Deuteronomy 28 says and nowhere is that said more forcefully or more frankly than in Deuteronomy 28 verse 63.

And as the Lord took delight in doing you good and multiplying you, so the Lord will take delight in bringing ruin upon you and destroying you. (Deuteronomy 28:63 ESV)

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Agreed. The question at hand is, who is on the throne right now? God the Father is on the throne right now and Jesus is seated at His right hand. Why is He seated at His right hand? Because Jesus is heir to the throne and will one day rule and reign on the throne as King of kings when that throne is handed over from God the Father.

Scripture is very clear that God the Father is on the throne and Jesus Christ is not....yet. Scripture states that Jesus, right now, is interceding on the behalf of man to the Father as our mediator. That's His role right now and praise the Lord for that!

This is not exalting Satan or giving him "props". God is and always has been in control of all things. God has allowed Satan to have his time ruling the darkness of this world and hopefully that time is coming to an end very shortly. Emotionally, people want to make Jesus the King right now, but Scripture simply does not state this. As soon as we make Jesus the King of the earth, we make the battle physical and not spiritual. He will literally and physically be King of the earth one day but not yet.
You know, you can continue to call smoke, smoke and deny there is a fire all day long... nonetheless, there IS fire producing the smoke.