Jesus IS King!!!
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The verse says we don't see all things put under him, implying rightly that all things are, even though we don't see them. You especially don't see them. You don't want to see them in the many Scriptures offered you. 
but now we see not yet all things put under him; this seems to be an objection, and even a contradiction to what is before said; which may be removed by observing, that though this general subjection is not seen by us, it does not follow that it is not...
but now we see not yet all things put under him; this seems to be an objection, and even a contradiction to what is before said; which may be removed by observing, that though this general subjection is not seen by us, it does not follow that it is not...
I think the last 4 chapters of Job, when God IS speaking... makes a tremendous point! So much so that when asked to answer God, Job put his hand over his mouth. Is that allegorical too? (sovereign...did you notice I didn't use all caps? Does this mean I'm whispering)?
when Jesus calls us out of the false-power of this world that we are born into,
then we begin our brand-new journey into the unknown, Jesus' new/real/world -
a world that holds all things brand new and Holy, and pure...His journey of Love'...
His revelation is given to us by the proof of His Holy Love to us by His Holy sacrifice
of Love and forgiveness and by the awesomeness of His forgiveness of our 'past-sins...
then we begin our brand-new journey into the unknown, Jesus' new/real/world -
a world that holds all things brand new and Holy, and pure...His journey of Love'...
His revelation is given to us by the proof of His Holy Love to us by His Holy sacrifice
of Love and forgiveness and by the awesomeness of His forgiveness of our 'past-sins...
No, that is short of the truth, it is His forgiveness of all our sins:
Blessed is the man against whom the LORD counts no iniquity, and in whose spirit there is no deceit. -- Psalm 32:2
blessed is the man against whom the Lord will not count his sin. -- Romans 4:8
This includes all sin, not just past sin.
Blessed is the man against whom the LORD counts no iniquity, and in whose spirit there is no deceit. -- Psalm 32:2
blessed is the man against whom the Lord will not count his sin. -- Romans 4:8
This includes all sin, not just past sin.
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I never really had a quarrel with you because you are reasonable
I just put him back where I used to have him
there are people on here I really disagree with but we don't fight
I suspect he was told to tone it down cause he was skirting the edge many times with his name calling
he constantly justifies himself. you know, be at peace with others as much as is possible. it really seems to grate on his nerves that I don't d back down. plenty of people have told him to cut out the nastiness and for whatever reason, he seems to have done so.
anyway, I appreciate your post. but I don't care to engage in ongoing you said he said she said. I don't care for MacArthur or Lordship salvation and I believe he was the one who started making those youtube posts, so best to just ignore him and he can do the same for me
if he wants to think people who don't believe just like him are not saved? well that's his problem.
thanks
I just put him back where I used to have him
there are people on here I really disagree with but we don't fight
I suspect he was told to tone it down cause he was skirting the edge many times with his name calling
he constantly justifies himself. you know, be at peace with others as much as is possible. it really seems to grate on his nerves that I don't d back down. plenty of people have told him to cut out the nastiness and for whatever reason, he seems to have done so.
anyway, I appreciate your post. but I don't care to engage in ongoing you said he said she said. I don't care for MacArthur or Lordship salvation and I believe he was the one who started making those youtube posts, so best to just ignore him and he can do the same for me
if he wants to think people who don't believe just like him are not saved? well that's his problem.
thanks
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Now, if Jesus is not ruling now as King as some on here are purporting, then what is He doing? They say He is interceding for the saints. That's true, but that's not the only thing He's doing.
If Satan is ruling as king on earth, notice, he is never referred to as a king anywhere in the bible, but prince is the highest title the bible affords him, then God would have to garner his approval before He could save anyone.
There are two kingdoms here on earth, the kingdom of darkness that Satan rules and reigns in, and there's the Kingdom of Light where God rules and reigns. Now, for ppl to be saved, God must go in and rescue His elect from the kingdom of darkness and transfer them to the Kingdom of Light. He does so by removing the veil that Satan has upon them that has them blinded. He does this by force as He overtakes Satan and brings them to the Kingdom of Light.
Just like Brother Trofimus stated earlier...the Governor (he used Mayor but I'll use Governor) rules over the state he is governor of, but the President rules over him. Just like when the 'Bathroom Bill' was being pushed(I think that was the bill), Obummer was attempting to strong arm the governors who would not abide by that bill and not give them public fundings.
Not that God uses that tactic, just using it to show how the POTUS is over the governors just like God is King over Satan.
If Satan is ruling as king on earth, notice, he is never referred to as a king anywhere in the bible, but prince is the highest title the bible affords him, then God would have to garner his approval before He could save anyone.
There are two kingdoms here on earth, the kingdom of darkness that Satan rules and reigns in, and there's the Kingdom of Light where God rules and reigns. Now, for ppl to be saved, God must go in and rescue His elect from the kingdom of darkness and transfer them to the Kingdom of Light. He does so by removing the veil that Satan has upon them that has them blinded. He does this by force as He overtakes Satan and brings them to the Kingdom of Light.
Just like Brother Trofimus stated earlier...the Governor (he used Mayor but I'll use Governor) rules over the state he is governor of, but the President rules over him. Just like when the 'Bathroom Bill' was being pushed(I think that was the bill), Obummer was attempting to strong arm the governors who would not abide by that bill and not give them public fundings.
Not that God uses that tactic, just using it to show how the POTUS is over the governors just like God is King over Satan.
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As I have stated over and over again...
Satan isn't mayor. He is a mob boss.
He has lots of folks on his payroll.
However God is King and He rules from His throne.
Satan has 1/3 of the angels on his side and God has the other 2/3 and His church.
I am trying to figure out why folks don't believe God is in control.
Why would folks deny that Jesus is King?
Going to go back to reading the thread....
Satan isn't mayor. He is a mob boss.
He has lots of folks on his payroll.
However God is King and He rules from His throne.
Satan has 1/3 of the angels on his side and God has the other 2/3 and His church.
I am trying to figure out why folks don't believe God is in control.
Why would folks deny that Jesus is King?
Going to go back to reading the thread....
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This just talks about the second coming of Jesus.....it clearly states that Jesus is Lord now.
Some people believe in the millenial kingdom when they think it's paradise on Earth but that doesn't happen until this world is destroyed and the heavenly Jerusalem descends upon the new earth and heaven.
How can there truly be paradise for 1000 years when There is still death and sin in this corrupt world?
I guess it depends on your eschatology.
If you have corruption in government, how is it dealt with?
If you have mobs and corrupt cops and judges, etc..,how does a just and righteous major clean up the city to make it safe for the citizens to live in? Mobs push drugs, commit murder for money and other things that Satan and his minions do spiritually with false doctrines and flashy wolves....
Anyway, most mob bosses think they are kings too, but eventually their empires topple.
God has a plan to topple this crime syndicate.
Jesus is King now and has power given to Him by God.
He gives His church power too.
Like the honest cops often get setup to die by corrupt cops and mobsters...so do honest Christians.
However, God does something the mobsters can't...He brings the dead back to life.
Some people believe in the millenial kingdom when they think it's paradise on Earth but that doesn't happen until this world is destroyed and the heavenly Jerusalem descends upon the new earth and heaven.
How can there truly be paradise for 1000 years when There is still death and sin in this corrupt world?
I guess it depends on your eschatology.
If you have corruption in government, how is it dealt with?
If you have mobs and corrupt cops and judges, etc..,how does a just and righteous major clean up the city to make it safe for the citizens to live in? Mobs push drugs, commit murder for money and other things that Satan and his minions do spiritually with false doctrines and flashy wolves....
Anyway, most mob bosses think they are kings too, but eventually their empires topple.
God has a plan to topple this crime syndicate.
Jesus is King now and has power given to Him by God.
He gives His church power too.
Like the honest cops often get setup to die by corrupt cops and mobsters...so do honest Christians.
However, God does something the mobsters can't...He brings the dead back to life.
A
They may not agree with this, but they are, in essence, saying God is not Sovereign over Satan. That's the (il)logic of their view.
God is not to blame for Satan's evil.
Which I believe we all agree with.
What many seem to have a hard time grasping is....if God is in control of the world now....why is there so much evil?
I believe it's because God allows free will....people can choose to follow Him and walk in the light or they can make themselves gods of this world and try and create their own little kingdoms.
The evil in this world is an example of what happens when most people choose to create their own kingdoms to rule.
However God is still in control.
He makes the natural laws obey Him: the sun, moon,tides, gravity etc.
The animals and plants live and grow under His direction.
2/3 of the angels are under his control.
His Church is growing and being built into His body.
Greater is He who is in us,than He who is in the world.
Why do people think that when a figure of speech is used that it makes what is said untrue? In any post did I say this record in Job was not true - that it really didn't happen - I am not denying any of the above. My point is that the lesson to be learned is NOT that Satan has to ask permission to do anything but that through all that Job went through - he did not curse God which is what Satan wanted him to do. Satan said: (paraphrased) Sure Job loves you now and is blameless now but what about when he has nothing - He will curse you to your face . . . . There is a deeper level to this whole book which we all can take to heart: Job did not love God only because of what God had done for him but that Job loved God because he is God, and worthy of love no matter what the circumstances were in Job's life. "In all this Job did not sin by charging God with wrongdoing." But what is being said here is that God is responsible for all that Satan does . . . therefore we are charging God with wrongdoing . . .
Why are Satan's characteristics being applied to God? When man fell, man lost dominion of the earth and the whole world is under the control of the devil . . . which is why he is called the god of this world. He has his time to walk about seeking whom he may devour, to wreck havoc and we are not to be ignorant of his devices but there is a day coming in which he will be destroyed - he is the last enemy to be destroyed and he is truly an enemy.
Why are Satan's characteristics being applied to God? When man fell, man lost dominion of the earth and the whole world is under the control of the devil . . . which is why he is called the god of this world. He has his time to walk about seeking whom he may devour, to wreck havoc and we are not to be ignorant of his devices but there is a day coming in which he will be destroyed - he is the last enemy to be destroyed and he is truly an enemy.