Jesus IS King!!!
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I am baffled by many things on this thread/topic. 1) The evil in this world is the evidence of God allowing man to witness the repercussions of rejecting Him. The curse of this world was not brought upon us by Satan, but by mans arrogant decision to believe the lie satan told, in as far as becoming "like" God, if the transgression against Him was carried out. Adam could have told satan to go to hell where he belonged, but instead, arrogantly chose to believe and INVEST in that lie.
2) It is obvious that evil comes from satan, but he still doesn't rule over us because Jesus and the finished work of the cross ransomed our pathetic lives from that evil and brought us into right standing with God once and for all through the divine genius of Jesus becoming every filthy, rotten, wicked, evil, contemptuous sin man could perform out of his own imagination and arrogance.
3) Long before Adam, God, knowing the betrayal of mans heart toward His own, put a Master Plan into place that would allow reconciliation between God and fallen man... Christ Jesus was the plan and He saw it through to the end. We have been ransomed from satan AND the shackles of sin by which we were once bound and condemned.
4) Jesus sits at the right hand of God, BECAUSE...that's what one does when their perfect work is finished and there is nothing left to do.
5) The right hand in scripture ALWAYS signifies power, favor, strength, blessing, inheritance...all of which we know Jesus has been given by His Father God and already owned as being God in the flesh anyway.
6) He rules and reigns from His Holy place beside the Father, interceding for all of us who are still imperfect, though forgiven of our sins because of the ultimate Blood sacrifice of Christ. Our very names...ALL of them, not one forgotten, are crimson in color by the priceless Holy "life-force" of Jesus. We speak of the whiteness (or purity) restored to us once again by the "washing of His blood" and that we are made the righteousness of God IN CHRIST JESUS.
7) Yet, some want to argue over what power satan has in this world? Some want to question the sovereignty of the Almighty God in whose character, holiness, power, magnificence, glory, etc is MAGNIFIED AND MANIFESTED in Jesus Christ, our Lord... our High Priest, Our King, our God.
8) What does it matter, the subject of satan having "limited power" at this time in the world? We know... he knows... the end of the "story". Why give him the time of day about his pitifully, weak influence he has in this world? Yes, his dark ways are indeed influential in the life of mankind, but ultimately, it is MAN'S decision to fall for the lies...yet again, or refuse them for what they are and adhere strongly to Jesus for power against it.
9) He bled and died on the cross, in our place... to give us His, so that we might have the God given authority over "rulers of darkness and principalities in high places"... ie; satan.
10) The irrefutable Power of God lives within us that we might use wisdom in remembering this fact.~ Jesus Is King. To that, there is no legitimate doubt. The Word of God is clear about that fact. Why can't everyone see it? Even that answer was "divinely documented" for us ... for such a time as this.
Satan's role and how it plays out in this world, was also choreographed by God in great detail with simple instruction to/for us on fighting against it. We are NOT meant to do it alone... (I defer to Adam's unsuccessful and disastrous attempt). I am reminded of the scripture which says, "So, submit yourselves to the One true God and fight against the devil and his schemes. If you do, he will run away in failure". So, rather than building a "false sense" of satans power to argue against, shouldn't we be focusing on the REAL power that IS God and in whose shadow, satan shrinks and runs?
I dunno, but I get a very deep impression that Satan enjoys...wallows luxuriously even, in watching the children of God giving but the slightest mention to his dilapidated "domain of reign". Yes, we are warned to STAND STRONG against his "wiles and schemes"... could entertaining this constant mention of his "power" on earth be one of those schemes?
This thread IS about Jesus Christ being King and exalting His Eternal position as such. Let us stay the course~~~
2) It is obvious that evil comes from satan, but he still doesn't rule over us because Jesus and the finished work of the cross ransomed our pathetic lives from that evil and brought us into right standing with God once and for all through the divine genius of Jesus becoming every filthy, rotten, wicked, evil, contemptuous sin man could perform out of his own imagination and arrogance.
3) Long before Adam, God, knowing the betrayal of mans heart toward His own, put a Master Plan into place that would allow reconciliation between God and fallen man... Christ Jesus was the plan and He saw it through to the end. We have been ransomed from satan AND the shackles of sin by which we were once bound and condemned.
4) Jesus sits at the right hand of God, BECAUSE...that's what one does when their perfect work is finished and there is nothing left to do.
5) The right hand in scripture ALWAYS signifies power, favor, strength, blessing, inheritance...all of which we know Jesus has been given by His Father God and already owned as being God in the flesh anyway.
6) He rules and reigns from His Holy place beside the Father, interceding for all of us who are still imperfect, though forgiven of our sins because of the ultimate Blood sacrifice of Christ. Our very names...ALL of them, not one forgotten, are crimson in color by the priceless Holy "life-force" of Jesus. We speak of the whiteness (or purity) restored to us once again by the "washing of His blood" and that we are made the righteousness of God IN CHRIST JESUS.
7) Yet, some want to argue over what power satan has in this world? Some want to question the sovereignty of the Almighty God in whose character, holiness, power, magnificence, glory, etc is MAGNIFIED AND MANIFESTED in Jesus Christ, our Lord... our High Priest, Our King, our God.
8) What does it matter, the subject of satan having "limited power" at this time in the world? We know... he knows... the end of the "story". Why give him the time of day about his pitifully, weak influence he has in this world? Yes, his dark ways are indeed influential in the life of mankind, but ultimately, it is MAN'S decision to fall for the lies...yet again, or refuse them for what they are and adhere strongly to Jesus for power against it.
9) He bled and died on the cross, in our place... to give us His, so that we might have the God given authority over "rulers of darkness and principalities in high places"... ie; satan.
10) The irrefutable Power of God lives within us that we might use wisdom in remembering this fact.~ Jesus Is King. To that, there is no legitimate doubt. The Word of God is clear about that fact. Why can't everyone see it? Even that answer was "divinely documented" for us ... for such a time as this.
Satan's role and how it plays out in this world, was also choreographed by God in great detail with simple instruction to/for us on fighting against it. We are NOT meant to do it alone... (I defer to Adam's unsuccessful and disastrous attempt). I am reminded of the scripture which says, "So, submit yourselves to the One true God and fight against the devil and his schemes. If you do, he will run away in failure". So, rather than building a "false sense" of satans power to argue against, shouldn't we be focusing on the REAL power that IS God and in whose shadow, satan shrinks and runs?
I dunno, but I get a very deep impression that Satan enjoys...wallows luxuriously even, in watching the children of God giving but the slightest mention to his dilapidated "domain of reign". Yes, we are warned to STAND STRONG against his "wiles and schemes"... could entertaining this constant mention of his "power" on earth be one of those schemes?
This thread IS about Jesus Christ being King and exalting His Eternal position as such. Let us stay the course~~~
J
Originally Posted by ForthAngel
I know I'll catch flack for this from the ones who hate when someone like me starts to use "isms" but a lot of those on the side of "Jesus isn't King" are almost expressing a form of dualism (two equal eternal forces at constant odds, one good and one evil), which is a dangerous position to take. The bible doesn't teach dualism. It teaches God is sovereign at all times and nothing is outside of his control ever. Some claim he doesn't have control whether by choice or by inability, both being untrue (most especially by inability).ome that adhere to this fallacious understanding are the same type that say God cannot do anything on earth unless man allows him to through prayer. To make the claim that Christ is not King and God is not in control is at it's core blasphemy and a severe attack on the character of God. And by logical extension, if God is not in control, then Satan is more powerful than we think and could actually win the fight. The only way this statement isn't possible is if God is in absolute control and Christ reigns as King, from eternity past, now, and forever.All this is really scary because people are essentially giving glory to Satan that does not belong to him but to Jesus Christ. "Satan is in control; he rules the earth unchecked; he is king for the time being; he is god of the world (everyone in the world)". This is exaltation of Satan over Christ. THIS is a perfect example of "Religious rhetoric and Spiritual wisdom"...ForthAngel having the Spiritual wisdom OF COURSE!
When Jesus returns as King of kings and Lord of lords . . . He will come into his Kingdom and when all things are subdued under his feet - when the end comes, He will then deliver up the kingdom to God, even the Father (1 Cor.15:24); but not all things are yet put under him. (Heb. 2:8)
Why would we need to protect God? Why would anyone want to attribute the works of Satan to our heavenly Father? God's characteristics are in complete opposition to those of Satan's; or stated this way: there is no darkness in him at all.
Why would we need to protect God? Why would anyone want to attribute the works of Satan to our heavenly Father? God's characteristics are in complete opposition to those of Satan's; or stated this way: there is no darkness in him at all.
Agreed. The question at hand is, who is on the throne right now? God the Father is on the throne right now and Jesus is seated at His right hand. Why is He seated at His right hand? Because Jesus is heir to the throne and will one day rule and reign on the throne as King of kings when that throne is handed over from God the Father.
Scripture is very clear that God the Father is on the throne and Jesus Christ is not....yet. Scripture states that Jesus, right now, is interceding on the behalf of man to the Father as our mediator. That's His role right now and praise the Lord for that!
This is not exalting Satan or giving him "props". God is and always has been in control of all things. God has allowed Satan to have his time ruling the darkness of this world and hopefully that time is coming to an end very shortly. Emotionally, people want to make Jesus the King right now, but Scripture simply does not state this. As soon as we make Jesus the King of the earth, we make the battle physical and not spiritual. He will literally and physically be King of the earth one day but not yet.
Scripture is very clear that God the Father is on the throne and Jesus Christ is not....yet. Scripture states that Jesus, right now, is interceding on the behalf of man to the Father as our mediator. That's His role right now and praise the Lord for that!
This is not exalting Satan or giving him "props". God is and always has been in control of all things. God has allowed Satan to have his time ruling the darkness of this world and hopefully that time is coming to an end very shortly. Emotionally, people want to make Jesus the King right now, but Scripture simply does not state this. As soon as we make Jesus the King of the earth, we make the battle physical and not spiritual. He will literally and physically be King of the earth one day but not yet.
Not all the time - God gives me the resources to do battle - He tells me to renew my mind, to put off the old man and put on the new man; that my flesh wars against my Spirit for these are contrary one with the other and that I am to put on the whole armor of God to fight against the wiles of the devil; to stand, quenching the fiery darts of the wicked; to pray without ceasing . . . But I guess that is just a lot of mumbo jumbo since God allows Satan to steal, kill and destroy me then he laughingly says "well that's enough for now" then he turns around and makes it all good.
I apologize but I just don't follow this reasoning. I do see where man pays the consequences for his actions . . . I do see where man fails and goes off on a wrong course; messes up God's perfect plan for their lives. But when man comes to his senses and turns back to God then God works things out for his good.
I apologize but I just don't follow this reasoning. I do see where man pays the consequences for his actions . . . I do see where man fails and goes off on a wrong course; messes up God's perfect plan for their lives. But when man comes to his senses and turns back to God then God works things out for his good.
If Satan controls you then you are not a Christian.
That is not to say that if one is a Christian that one cannot be attacked by Satan - I would submit that becoming a Christian is one sure-fire way to invite attack.
The point is, if one is a Christian, then one is sealed by the Holy Spirit, and as such not under the control of Satan. Satan may want to attack but you are not under his authority.
The seal of the Holy Spirit declares your Kingdom affiliation.
None of these facts give Satan ultimate authority, and none of these facts makes God anything less than God.
The reality of Satan and what he does on this earth to believer and unbeliever alike does not in any way negate the authority of God, not on this earth and not in this universe.
That is not to say that if one is a Christian that one cannot be attacked by Satan - I would submit that becoming a Christian is one sure-fire way to invite attack.
The point is, if one is a Christian, then one is sealed by the Holy Spirit, and as such not under the control of Satan. Satan may want to attack but you are not under his authority.
The seal of the Holy Spirit declares your Kingdom affiliation.
None of these facts give Satan ultimate authority, and none of these facts makes God anything less than God.
The reality of Satan and what he does on this earth to believer and unbeliever alike does not in any way negate the authority of God, not on this earth and not in this universe.
Agreed.
I do have to say that it was Satan (Lucifer) who sinned first - then he beguiled man. Yes, Adam could have told Satan to go to hell but he gave in to Satan's temptation therefore God cursed Satan, multiplied woman's sorrow in childbirth; cursed the ground to bring up thorns and thistles, man would have to toil the ground and sweat; and death entered.
Satan doesn't rule over us but Satan does have dominion over the earth which Adam relinquished when he sinned. If not, he wouldn't have been able to tempt Jesus with something he doesn't have to give . . . the whole world lies in wickedness. Through what Jesus Christ accomplished we have been promised an inheritance incorruptible, undefiled, that fades not away reserved in heaven for us, being sealed with the holy Spirit which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory when Christ returns and raises us to eternal life and lifts us up out of this world - until then we don't have to become a part of this world but we do have to live in this world.
Did God create man capable of independent and intellectual judgment or did he create man incapable of choosing anything other than His will? Did God create man to have a relationship with him wherein man could choose to love him or choose to reject him? Did God create man to have the choice to obey him or disobey him? We all still sin.
Besides preparing a place for us, I think maybe Jesus is preparing for war!!!
Yes, the right hand is blessing, the left is cursing.
Yes, we have been made the righteousness of God in Christ Jesus.
But isn't the character of God being called into question when it is said that Satan could not do any evil unless God allowed him to? Turning Him into partnership with darkness directing sinful activity?
I have the Spirit of God and the Spirit of Christ in me - I sometimes fail in living to do God's will so I don't see Satan shrinking and running!! LOL . . . sometimes I am not always submitting (if I am to be honest) so if anything the battle is worse because my desire has changed to do the will of God but there is another side of me that hasn't changed and that is my flesh. Are you so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are you now made perfect by the flesh? Does saying that give Satan glory and more power? No - just stating the truth of the scripture.
Jesus will be King when he is brought to reign in his Kingdom - the 1000 year reign. And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years, And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
I do apologize for I have probably been a major proponent in this thread going haywire . . . Sorry.
I do have to say that it was Satan (Lucifer) who sinned first - then he beguiled man. Yes, Adam could have told Satan to go to hell but he gave in to Satan's temptation therefore God cursed Satan, multiplied woman's sorrow in childbirth; cursed the ground to bring up thorns and thistles, man would have to toil the ground and sweat; and death entered.
Satan doesn't rule over us but Satan does have dominion over the earth which Adam relinquished when he sinned. If not, he wouldn't have been able to tempt Jesus with something he doesn't have to give . . . the whole world lies in wickedness. Through what Jesus Christ accomplished we have been promised an inheritance incorruptible, undefiled, that fades not away reserved in heaven for us, being sealed with the holy Spirit which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory when Christ returns and raises us to eternal life and lifts us up out of this world - until then we don't have to become a part of this world but we do have to live in this world.
Did God create man capable of independent and intellectual judgment or did he create man incapable of choosing anything other than His will? Did God create man to have a relationship with him wherein man could choose to love him or choose to reject him? Did God create man to have the choice to obey him or disobey him? We all still sin.
Besides preparing a place for us, I think maybe Jesus is preparing for war!!!
Yes, the right hand is blessing, the left is cursing.
Yes, we have been made the righteousness of God in Christ Jesus.
But isn't the character of God being called into question when it is said that Satan could not do any evil unless God allowed him to? Turning Him into partnership with darkness directing sinful activity?
I have the Spirit of God and the Spirit of Christ in me - I sometimes fail in living to do God's will so I don't see Satan shrinking and running!! LOL . . . sometimes I am not always submitting (if I am to be honest) so if anything the battle is worse because my desire has changed to do the will of God but there is another side of me that hasn't changed and that is my flesh. Are you so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are you now made perfect by the flesh? Does saying that give Satan glory and more power? No - just stating the truth of the scripture.
Jesus will be King when he is brought to reign in his Kingdom - the 1000 year reign. And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years, And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
I do apologize for I have probably been a major proponent in this thread going haywire . . . Sorry.
The first two chapters of Job are set as an allegory; (a story in which the characters and events are symbols that stand for truths about human life) -
Behold, we consider those blessed who remained steadfast. You have heard of the steadfastness of Job, and you have seen the purpose of the Lord, how the Lord is compassionate and merciful. -- James 5:11
