Is It Okay to Kill Hereticks?

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I am not for defending homosexuality because it is a sin that sinners needs Jesus Christ for to deliver them from it.

A Baptist christian pastor is teaching that it is okay to kill gay people. I doubt he has actually done it or else he'd be behind bars, but it can set a dangerous precedent tempting believers to live under the Old Covenant in carrying out the death penalty when Christ Jesus has set us free from being under that law to kill gay people or any sinner or heretick for that matter.

[video=youtube;w83kIAfuKoE]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w83kIAfuKoE[/video]
This clown belongs to the Ruckmanite clan of Bible Believers and Peter Ruckman was a bigot, and some say evenpart of the KKK. He died and will give account.
 

graceNpeace

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This clown belongs to the Ruckmanite clan of Bible Believers and Peter Ruckman was a bigot, and some say even part of the KKK. He died and will give account.
His name is Steven Anderson and he is a complete loon!
How anyone could possibly take him seriously is quite beyond me!
 
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I am not for defending homosexuality because it is a sin that sinners needs Jesus Christ for to deliver them from it.

A Baptist christian pastor is teaching that it is okay to kill gay people. I doubt he has actually done it or else he'd be behind bars, but it can set a dangerous precedent tempting believers to live under the Old Covenant in carrying out the death penalty when Christ Jesus has set us free from being under that law to kill gay people or any sinner or heretick for that matter.
i dont thnk this guy is a real preacher. he has many vids on utube, big following and every video is extremely controversial. he does not preach on normal things, only attention getting things. he is either a legit fruitcake, or a plant to make Christians look like idiots.
 

Angela53510

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Thanks for the update but at one time, the spelling was correct. :D

Titus 3:10A man that is an heretick after the first and second admonition reject; KJV

Lord willing, I shall remember the modern day spelling which is heretic. Thanks. :)
I don't know about you, but I speak modern French and English, and I read Greek and Hebrew. I do not read 16th century English, and it looks like most in this thread don't either.

I also have a rule of thumb, that if someone posts more than one verse of archaic English, I won't read the post. Try posting something that makes sense in the vernacular, meaning modern English, and you may be able to have some decent discussions.
 

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i dont thnk this guy is a real preacher. he has many vids on utube, big following and every video is extremely controversial. he does not preach on normal things, only attention getting things. he is either a legit fruitcake, or a plant to make Christians look like idiots.
He is real . He is the pastor at faithful word baptist church in Tempe Arizona. Tempe is not too far from where I live in Phoenix.
I have seen this guy's place of worship and it's real . You are probably correct in the fruitcake assessment. I know he is not a plant . Local folks here in the state know of his antics. He dose more stuff off camera that puts his YouTube garbage to shame .
Blessings
Bill
 
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He is real . He is the pastor at faithful word baptist church in Tempe Arizona. Tempe is not too far from where I live in Phoenix.
I have seen this guy's place of worship and it's real . You are probably correct in the fruitcake assessment. I know he is not a plant . Local folks here in the state know of his antics. He dose more stuff off camera that puts his YouTube garbage to shame .
Blessings
Bill
he seems very fake to me. any Christian with a novice bible knowledge can see he does more damage than good. he does not sound stupid which would mean he knows exactly what he is doing.
 
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I can't answer for em all, but: I tend to enter grammar police mode if the topic is irrelevant, funny or wrong
It goes without saying it is not OK to kill heretics (or homosexuals since that was mentioned, or any other sin you may name)
 

graceNpeace

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he seems very fake to me. any Christian with a novice bible knowledge can see he does more damage than good. he does not sound stupid which would mean he knows exactly what he is doing.
Yes, well, he really is loony-tunes, this fellow...
Not stupid, just loony-tunes!
 

miknik5

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I don't know about you, but I speak modern French and English, and I read Greek and Hebrew. I do not read 16th century English, and it looks like most in this thread don't either.

I also have a rule of thumb, that if someone posts more than one verse of archaic English, I won't read the post. Try posting something that makes sense in the vernacular, meaning modern English, and you may be able to have some decent discussions.
What are you saying? You are trying to change a person's way of speaking?
 

miknik5

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I can't answer for em all, but: I tend to enter grammar police mode if the topic is irrelevant, funny or wrong
It goes without saying it is not OK to kill heretics (or homosexuals since that was mentioned, or any other sin you may name)
Yrs

all in all that is what the thread was about

Not about grammar and correct doelling
and not about the style of writing the poster uses

the question was asked and easily understood in the thread title and the answer required a simple yes or no response
 
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wwjd_kilden

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Yrs

all in all that is what the thread was about

Not about grammar and correct doelling
and not about the style of writing the poster uses

the question was asked and easily understood in the thread title and the answer required a simple yes or no response
but it is a pointless question. It is like me asking "Is it illegal to commit murder in the US?"
Of course it is illegal.
Should we kill heretics? No, of course not.
End of topic. It doesn't need a thread, it is given.
 
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i dont thnk this guy is a real preacher. he has many vids on utube, big following and every video is extremely controversial. he does not preach on normal things, only attention getting things. he is either a legit fruitcake, or a plant to make Christians look like idiots.
That post with the youtube showing that "false prophet" was to answer these two post from this poster.

I'm not sure why this is even a topic?
Wow, really, I thought such a thing would've died with the dark age, or 1800s at least.
Saved believers can go astray. That is what false prophets are. Even attention seeking one for money.

So he may be a real preacher as many were in the days of the Old South that did not see that God created all men to be equal.

All we know is that he is a false prophet for surely his words runs against scripture in the N.T. and not walking in the light.
 
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I don't know about you, but I speak modern French and English, and I read Greek and Hebrew. I do not read 16th century English, and it looks like most in this thread don't either.
Oh.. yeah. Like that "k" at the end of the word heretic throws you off from understanding what is written in the KJV. I feel for you. Not.

I also have a rule of thumb, that if someone posts more than one verse of archaic English, I won't read the post. Try posting something that makes sense in the vernacular, meaning modern English, and you may be able to have some decent discussions.
Not when I am dealing with what is clearly anti-KJV bigotry, I will not. I can take joking around about the spelling of heretick, but anti-KJV bigotry?

You broke your rule of thumb by replying just so you can "exalt" yourself over me at my expense; FYI Grow up.
 
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but it is a pointless question. It is like me asking "Is it illegal to commit murder in the US?"
Of course it is illegal.
Should we kill heretics? No, of course not.
End of topic. It doesn't need a thread, it is given.
It didn't take much for a mob to be incited to lynch blacks in the South decades ago & got away with it.

It didn't take much for blacks & whites to be incited to attack people in a riot, and get away with it.

Christians have killed for personal reasons. Christians have committed suicides.

So when worse becomes worse, and some christian or pastor is advocating revenge or had enough of corruption in society and wants to take back America by killing sinners and had enough of liars in the church to take back the church by killing heretics, declaring it is our duty to God to do so.... you may want to remember the scripture references in the OP.

Because saying it is against the law is not going to cut it for those inciting others by misapplication of scripture to kill.

2 Timothy 3:[SUP]12 [/SUP]Yea, and all that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution.[SUP] 13 [/SUP]But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived.[SUP] 14 [/SUP]But continue thou in the things which thou hast learned and hast been assured of, knowing of whom thou hast learned them;[SUP] 15 [/SUP]And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.[SUP] 16 [/SUP]All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:[SUP] 17 [/SUP]That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.
 

miknik5

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but it is a pointless question. It is like me asking "Is it illegal to commit murder in the US?"
Of course it is illegal.
Should we kill heretics? No, of course not.
End of topic. It doesn't need a thread, it is given.
This is necessary because it is proohecy and warning

there are many "Christians" who outwardly profess faith in CHRIST
But then, by what they do , they make manifest that they blaspheme the NAME they claim
 

miknik5

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Not to mention the "violent men of the covenant" who do not know their GOD
 
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I apologize to my brothers and sisters that have replied in this thread for my curtness with Angel53510 in post #53.

I had no problem with the way some responders were having fun with the word hereticks. I saw that as light humor.

But I read Angela53510's reply as a slight towards me, and I did not respond with grace as I was rather curt with her.

I know she can be a caring sister from a recent reply from her that I liked to another poster, so she can edify without slighting.

I want to point out to everyone to think about all those negative comments about relying only on the KJV, because as much as KJVOlyism have some statements that has gone too far, like saying it is a perfect Bible, there is an awful lot of statements against the KJV that are going too far and are quite unreasonable. It looks to me people just take whatever negative comment about the KJV on the internet and just run with it without discerning how absurd the claim is.

Like for example of an antiKJV absurdity; King James changed the Bible to hide his sin of homosexuality, BUT you can read the KJV Bible to find scripture untouched that still speaks against homosexuality. Nothing has been omitted.

As for saying the KJV is a perfect Bible, I can think of 2 places where it could be better.

Luke 17:[SUP]37 [/SUP]And they answered and said unto him, Where, Lord? And he said unto them, Wheresoever the body is, thither will the eagles be gathered together.

HTML Bible Index - King James Version - Strongs Concordance - Frames Version

At this link above ( yeah.. I know.. that address is not to my liking in saying King James is a sacred name but I am ignoring it ) there is a Strong's Concordance that goes with KJV and if you click on the left column on Luke 17th chapter and scroll down to the very last verse 37, you will see the Greek in blue paralleling that verse.

Click on sunacqhsontai and you will see this definition below from the Greek word sunagw or sunago:

"from sun - sun 4862 and agw - ago 71; to lead together, i.e. collect or convene; specially, to entertain (hospitably):--+ accompany, assemble (selves, together), bestow, come together, gather (selves together, up, together), lead into, resort, take in."

Now while antiKJVers are jumping up and down about this verse where eagles should have been "vultures" as some modern day Bibles have it and that they claim that the verse was about God taking out the bad guys, they are doing so out of context of the message given when Jesus was warning believers to be ready to leave before destruction comes.

And those taken are being received with hospitality to be entertained as one would be when received to the Marriage Supper.

I just don;t think the KJV really conveyed that idea from sunagw in translation, but neither has any other Bible version, and some goes so far as to give the opposite message too when using vultures in place of eagles.

And the Greek word that eagles was translated from was...aetoV or aetos which means..

"from the same as ahr - aer 109; an eagle (from its wind-like flight):--eagle."

Another example of KJV not being a perfect Bible is..

Revelation 3:[SUP]5 [/SUP]He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels.

The Greek words that "not" was derived from was ou mh or ou me as defined as:

"i.e. ou - ou 3756 and mh - me 3361; a double negative strengthening the denial; not at all:--any more, at all, by any (no) means, neither, never, no (at all), in no case (wise), nor ever, not (at all, in any wise). Compare mh ouk - me ouk 3378."

That means Jesus will never wipe out any believer's name from the Book of Life.

But does any other Bible version make that clearer? No. Probably afraid of the curse if they add to or take away from that book. I do not know.

So no, I do not believe KJVOnlyism that the KJV is the perfect Bible BUT I believe it is the must Bible we are to use when using the meat of His words to discern good and evil in these latter days where faith is hard to find.

ALL modern Bibles including the KJV has John 16:13 testifying that the Holy Spirit CANNOT speak for Himself , but can only speak what He hears BUT ALL modern Bibles EXCEPT the KJV has Romans 8:26-27 wrong as running against the truth in John 16:13.

The KJV signified that the Holy Spirit has intercessions for us but He cannot utter them for they are unspeakable as in groaning which cannot be uttered hence no sound at all in Romans 8:26. This leads to how His intercession is given to God in verse 27 by ANOTHER knowing the mind of the Spirit as He is the One that searches our hearts Whom is Jesus Christ, the Son of God at that throne of grace ( Hebrews 4:12-16 )

So KJV has Romans 8:26-27 lining up with John 16:13 in keeping the truth in His words so that believers that hear Him and His words will know that the Holy Spirit CANNOT use God's gift of tongues as His personal prayer language back to God.

The real God;s gift of tongues is of other men's lips to speak unto the people: 1 Corinthians 14:20-22 and tongues are not to serve as a sign or proof to believers at all.

And yet believers seek to receive the "Holy Spirit" separate from salvation after a sign of tongues which never comes with interpretation and so they assume it is a prayer language of the Holy Spirit, and modern Bibles erroneous Romans 8:26-27 supports that whereas the KJV does not BUT maintains that truth that all modern Bibles plainly stated in John 16:13.

That is why I rely on the KJV only for the meat of His words to discern good and evil in these latter days where faith is hard to find, because modern Bibles support that supernatural tongue gained by apostasy of seeking to receive the Spirit separate from salvation. And it does not stop there. They receive the Holy Spirit again and again and again after other signs too, falling down and all that other acts of confusion which is not of Him ( 1 Corinthians 14:32-33 )

May God cause the increase.
 

blue_ladybug

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There is no such thing as a heretick..
 
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This is necessary because it is proohecy and warning

there are many "Christians" who outwardly profess faith in CHRIST
But then, by what they do , they make manifest that they blaspheme the NAME they claim
Still goes without saying we are not to kill those people?
(What am I saying? I forget where I am.... this is the BDF, this is where everyone proclaim themselves God and Judge and see it fit to doom anyone to death and hell alike)