How Should the Church Treat Gays?

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I don't think people need to be on a sin hunt or anything, but churches can't just allow people to come in teaching it's okay to go against God, either...Now that is the flip side of your coin, and not addressed to you, but to people who are not trying to learn of God's ways and are not repentant for their sin, and pretty much just throwing their middle finger up to God and telling everyone else that we just have to accept it.
I guess another way too look at it could be, if a child never touches the stove, you won't tell them that it's hot.
But I don't think God should ever be disrespected.
 

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Is there a difference in the level of sin of being gay vs. watching pornography (gay / straight) and masturbating?
There are no levels of sin. Being gay is not a sin it's only acting on those urges that makes it sin, yes being gay is an abomination to God but so is being a sinner which we all are, watching porn and masturbating is seen as sinful but at the same time I wonder how one can deal with the sexual urges without being sinful?

Because of how the cancer affected my body I do not have sexual desires I know nothing of what arousal feels like but if I did I wonder how i would deal with those urges without sinning?
 

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Just a quick question. Are all the saved people here saying they no longer practice any type of sinful behavior? Is it ok to sin if one is "trying" not to do so? How about just a little sin say like maybe a small untruth as opposed to a big sin?
Sadly until we come to realize we who are saved are dead to sin because God says we are and not because of what we do or do not do we will continue to feel the need to look down upon those who we feel commit a greater sin than we do so that we can "feel" better about ourselves. See, the problem is not one of sin it's one of faith. Do we believe we are who God says we are once saved (the righteousness of God in Christ, 2 Cor 5:21, Rom 3:22) or do we continue to go by what we "feel" we are and what we "think" we and others are? The bible warns us about going on what we think (Pro 14:12, Pro 16:25, Pro 3:5-6) instead of having faith that we are indeed who God says we are DESPITE evidence to the contrary. Once saved a gay person is no longer a gay person any more than a drunk is a drunk or a liar a liar. 2 Cor 5:17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.
See Satan wants us to believe our feelings and our hearts instead of God's Word so that we don't do what Jesus told us to do...LOVE one another.


 
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There are no levels of sin. Being gay is not a sin it's only acting on those urges that makes it sin, yes being gay is an abomination to God but so is being a sinner which we all are, watching porn and masturbating is seen as sinful but at the same time I wonder how one can deal with the sexual urges without being sinful?
I was going to say that! literally all my life I have just wanted to tell people male and female, that they were beautiful. For me, it was the brokenness the devil had caused me, that somehow made it a sexual attraction when it came to the same sex.
 
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See Satan wants us to believe our feelings and our hearts instead of God's Word so that we don't do what Jesus told us to do...LOVE one another.


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That's how I personally feel like for a fact the Bible is an instruction manual on how to control ones feelings and desires, and not be controlled by them!
 
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There are no levels of sin. Being gay is not a sin it's only acting on those urges that makes it sin, yes being gay is an abomination to God but so is being a sinner which we all are, watching porn and masturbating is seen as sinful but at the same time I wonder how one can deal with the sexual urges without being sinful?

Because of how the cancer affected my body I do not have sexual desires I know nothing of what arousal feels like but if I did I wonder how i would deal with those urges without sinning?
Jesus says there are different levels of sin.

Jesus answered, Thou couldest have no power at all against me, except it were given thee from above: therefore he that delivered Me unto thee hath the greater sin. John 19:11
(We learn from this that some sins are worse than others.)

 
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Jesus says there are different levels of sin.

Jesus answered, Thou couldest have no power at all against me, except it were given thee from above: therefore he that delivered Me unto thee hath the greater sin. John 19:11
(We learn from this that some sins are worse than others.)

I feel like Jesus said that because the person who bought him to be crucified wanted him dead. The ones who crucified him, we're taking orders from someone other than God obviously, but hopefully you get what I'm saying.
 
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I'm curious to know though are there other instances in the Bible, that speak of lesser or greater sins? I haven't came across any, yet.
 

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I'm curious to know though are there other instances in the Bible, that speak of lesser or greater sins? I haven't came across any, yet.
Blaspheme of the Holy Ghost is the greatest sin.
It is in the new testament.
 
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I'm curious to know though are there other instances in the Bible, that speak of lesser or greater sins? I haven't came across any, yet.
I say this without joy. But we must understand that it was not the drunks, or the harlots, or the thieves, or the robbers, or the gays that crucified Christ. It was the Church of that day that crucified Him. Romans 10:19-21

"Which of the two did what his father wanted?" "The first," they answered. Jesus said to them, "Truly I tell you, the tax collectors and the prostitutes are entering the kingdom of God ahead of you. Matthew 21:31 NIV

Note: Jesus is telling this to the religious leaders.
 
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I say this without joy. But we must understand that it was not the drunks, or the harlots, or the thieves, or the robbers, or the gays that crucified Christ. It was the Church of that day that crucified Him. Romans 10:19-21

"Which of the two did what his father wanted?" "The first," they answered. Jesus said to them, "Truly I tell you, the tax collectors and the prostitutes are entering the kingdom of God ahead of you. Matthew 21:31 NIV

Note: Jesus is telling this to the religious leaders.
Question? Is the modern Church during to Jesus Christ (Spiritual Adultery) what Israel of old did?
 
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I say this without joy. But we must understand that it was not the drunks, or the harlots, or the thieves, or the robbers, or the gays that crucified Christ. It was the Church of that day that crucified Him. Romans 10:19-21

"Which of the two did what his father wanted?" "The first," they answered. Jesus said to them, "Truly I tell you, the tax collectors and the prostitutes are entering the kingdom of God ahead of you. Matthew 21:31 NIV

Note: Jesus is telling this to the religious leaders.
I definitely get what you are saying, and I can see how some sins are worse than others. But I still think a sin is a sin is a sin is a sin! They all come with punishment, or judgement I should say, just the same!
 
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I say this without joy. But we must understand that it was not the drunks, or the harlots, or the thieves, or the robbers, or the gays that crucified Christ. It was the Church of that day that crucified Him. Romans 10:19-21

"Which of the two did what his father wanted?" "The first," they answered. Jesus said to them, "Truly I tell you, the tax collectors and the prostitutes are entering the kingdom of God ahead of you. Matthew 21:31 NIV

Note: Jesus is telling this to the religious leaders.
Note: The Romans, Jews or church did not kill Jesus....He laid himself down.


John 10.17-18
[SUP]17 [/SUP]For this reason the Father loves Me, because I lay down My life so that I may take it again. [SUP]18 [/SUP]No one has taken it away from Me, but I lay it down on My own initiative. I have authority to lay it down, and I have authority to take it up again. This commandment I received from My Father.”

Note: Swaggert and his heresy keep Jesus on the cross, he is not on the cross, he is risen, you will not find him there...
 
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I definitely get what you are saying, and I can see how some sins are worse than others. But I still think a sin is a sin is a sin is a sin! They all come with punishment, or judgement I should say, just the same!
The greatest sin people have is not believing on the Lord Jesus Christ...do not let some of these people stack rank one sin over another. Those that do that, usually are hiding a secret sin they engage in.
 
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What part of the body of Christ
is the sodomites,Lesbianites,transvestites and all else connected to them?

When you answer this question then you should know what is the truth.
I Cor. -[FONT=&quot] Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,[/FONT][FONT=&quot]10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]11 And such were some of you


So someone somewhere ministered to these people and their lives were changed and they were in church,saved and on their way to heaven.[/FONT]
 
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Jesus says there are different levels of sin.

Jesus answered, Thou couldest have no power at all against me, except it were given thee from above: therefore he that delivered Me unto thee hath the greater sin. John 19:11
(We learn from this that some sins are worse than others.)

Has your pastor Jimmy Swaggert truly repented yet? or is he still smugly rejecting the fact he never did turn from his adulterous ways? He is a hireling and a thief and a robber of people, their money and their souls. He is religion that comes to steal, kill and destroy...he preaches Jesus is still dead....
 
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Has your pastor Jimmy Swaggert truly repented yet? or is he still smugly rejecting the fact he never did turn from his adulterous ways? He is a hireling and a thief and a robber of people, their money and their souls. He is religion that comes to steal, kill and destroy...he preaches Jesus is still dead....
Wow...What Jimmy Swaggart or anyone else does is none of your business...That's between the person and God...And you are neither
 
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I definitely get what you are saying, and I can see how some sins are worse than others. But I still think a sin is a sin is a sin is a sin! They all come with punishment, or judgement I should say, just the same!
Yes, For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God; Romans 3:23

However, when you study the OT you see the five offerings of Leviticus for different levels of purpose.