This afternoon I was listening to this Christian radio station, it is a good solid fundamental teaching station that has good people on it. Anyway, this lady Jan has this program and she is right on the scriptures except that she believes in the false pre-trib rapture. She has this fellow on the program who is speaking in passionate heavy tones about how only the pre-trib rapture is in the bible and it is the only one that is true. You know folks, I realize that messed up people who profess Christ as Savior can and will teach and promote some ridiculous things, however we are living in the time when true believers have rejected truth and accepted doctrines of demons, fables, stories that are make up and not even found in the bible. It is my personal belief that these people are under a deceiving spirit so that up looks down, and north looks south. They really believe what does not exist except in their imagination. For crying out loud, there is no such thing as a pre-trib rapture even in the bible, you can look up pre-trib rapture in the encyclopedia and it will tell you that it was created by John Darby around 1830, why he made it up, and how he spread it around, the evidence is overwhelming that this is a false teaching...why do good Christian folks keep hanging on to something that is so false it is laughable?
HANG ON, IT IS GOING TO BE A ROUGH RIDE!
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So The gospel according to Samuel 
What's your stance on the rapture..Mid? Post? Let's see the scriptures for that? Convince me. I built a house once. As I was squaring the subfloor I found it was out of square by 1/4 inch in the first foot..That wall was 42 feet long...do you know how far out it was at the end of that 42 feet? A foot and a half.
Its the same with spirit things You get a little bit off here or there and it affects the whole show...At the end of the day you can be waay off in lala land
What's your stance on the rapture..Mid? Post? Let's see the scriptures for that? Convince me. I built a house once. As I was squaring the subfloor I found it was out of square by 1/4 inch in the first foot..That wall was 42 feet long...do you know how far out it was at the end of that 42 feet? A foot and a half. Its the same with spirit things You get a little bit off here or there and it affects the whole show...At the end of the day you can be waay off in lala land
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It is important because it signals that something awful is happening to the church and very few folks seem to be aware of it. People talk a lot about the deception that is going to happen in the last days and it is here already big time. It is one thing for folks on the outer edge of the Christian faith to be promoting something that is not scriptural or reasonable...BUT NOT SOLID CHRISTIANS. What makes the pre-trib rapture so dangerous is that the solid Christians, those who are the supposed pillars of the church, have not only fallen for this false teaching, but refuse to look at the evidence that debunks it. This shows that Satan has made massive inroads into the contemporary church. When you add to this the teaching that manifestations of demons are the Holy Spirit, a teaching that is spreading like wildfire...then we are in for a rough ride.
So The gospel according to Samuel What's your stance on the rapture..Mid? Post? Let's see the scriptures for that? Convince me. I built a house once. As I was squaring the subfloor I found it was out of square by 1/4 inch in the first foot..That wall was 42 feet long...do you know how far out it was at the end of that 42 feet? A foot and a half.
Its the same with spirit things You get a little bit off here or there and it affects the whole show...At the end of the day you can be waay off in lala land
What's your stance on the rapture..Mid? Post? Let's see the scriptures for that? Convince me. I built a house once. As I was squaring the subfloor I found it was out of square by 1/4 inch in the first foot..That wall was 42 feet long...do you know how far out it was at the end of that 42 feet? A foot and a half. Its the same with spirit things You get a little bit off here or there and it affects the whole show...At the end of the day you can be waay off in lala land
There is a resurrection of the saints,and the world will attack Israel for God turned them to the truth that Jesus is their Messiah,and the beast persecutes all people that hold the testimony of Jesus Christ.
The last kingdom shall devour the whole earth,tread it down,and break it in pieces,and the beast shall have power over all nations,kindreds,and tongues,and shall make war against the saints for three and one half years,then those saints that remain shall be gathered unto Christ.
The saints shall be hated of all nations,the Gospel preached in to all the world,as a testimony to all nations,and then the end shall come,and the saints will observe things that happen on differents part of the earth,which can only be known by technology,which Daniel did not understand what was told him,but was told to his way,for he would not be able to understand,but they will be able to understand at the end time,because of advanced travel,and technology,for then they observe what the world is doing.
The beast attacks Jerusalem,and goes against the Jews,and God comes back with the saints,and saves Israel,and defeats the world.
The saints must of been resurrected up to come back with God,and to be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord.
Jesus said the Jews shall not see Him again until they say blessed is He that comes in the name of the Lord,and Israel as a nation is blinded in part,they do not acknowledge Jesus,until salvation is not available to the Gentile,and then Israel as a nationwill come to the truth.
The first attack on Jerusalem,because Israel rejected Christ.
The second attack on Jerusalem,because Israel accepted Christ.
oe 3:1 For, behold, in those days, and in that time, when I shall bring again the captivity of Judah and Jerusalem,
Joe 3:2 I will also gather all nations, and will bring them down into the valley of Jehoshaphat, and will plead with them there for my people and for my heritage Israel, whom they have scattered among the nations, and parted my land.
Joe 3:3 And they have cast lots for my people; and have given a boy for an harlot, and sold a girl for wine, that they might drink.
Joe 3:4 Yea, and what have ye to do with me, O Tyre, and Zidon, and all the coasts of Palestine? will ye render me a recompence? and if ye recompense me, swiftly and speedily will I return your recompence upon your own head;
Joe 3:9 Proclaim ye this among the Gentiles; Prepare war, wake up the mighty men, let all the men of war draw near; let them come up:
Joe 3:10 Beat your plowshares into swords, and your pruninghooks into spears: let the weak say, I am strong.
Joe 3:11 Assemble yourselves, and come, all ye heathen, and gather yourselves together round about: thither cause thy mighty ones to come down, O LORD.
Joe 3:12 Let the heathen be wakened, and come up to the valley of Jehoshaphat: for there will I sit to judge all the heathen round about.
Joe 3:13 Put ye in the sickle, for the harvest is ripe: come, get you down; for the press is full, the fats overflow; for their wickedness is great.
Joe 3:14 Multitudes, multitudes in the valley of decision: for the day of the LORD is near in the valley of decision.
Joe 3:15 The sun and the moon shall be darkened, and the stars shall withdraw their shining.
Joe 3:16 The LORD also shall roar out of Zion, and utter his voice from Jerusalem; and the heavens and the earth shall shake: but the LORD will be the hope of his people, and the strength of the children of Israel.
Again the world will attack Jerusalem,and God comes back with the saints,so they must of been caught up to Christ,to come back with God.
The way Jesus ascended is the way He will descend,and He was standing on the Mount of Olives,and when God comes back with all the saints He will step down on the Mount of Olives.
Zec 12:1 The burden of the word of the LORD for Israel, saith the LORD, which stretcheth forth the heavens, and layeth the foundation of the earth, and formeth the spirit of man within him.
Zec 12:2 Behold, I will make Jerusalem a cup of trembling unto all the people round about, when they shall be in the siege both against Judah and against Jerusalem.
Zec 12:3 And in that day will I make Jerusalem a burdensome stone for all people: all that burden themselves with it shall be cut in pieces, though all the people of the earth be gathered together against it.
The whole world will be against Jerusalem,and the Jews,the battle of Armageddon.
Rev 6:9 And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held:
Rev 6:10 And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?
Rev 6:11 And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.
The souls under the altar say,when will you avenge us Lord,and He said,when all the saints are caught up to Him,and then Jesus will avenge the saints,and come back with all the saints,and defeat the world,and save Israel.Revelation 19 says when Jesus comes back the saints are with Him.
There is a resurrection of the saints,and a second attack on Jerusalem because they came to the truth that Jesus is their Messiah,and the beast will persecute all people that hold the testimony of Jesus Christ.
The last kingdom shall devour the whole earth,tread it down,and break it in pieces,and the beast shall have power over all nations,kindreds,and tongues,and shall make war against the saints for three and one half years,then those saints that remain shall be gathered unto Christ.
The saints shall be hated of all nations,the Gospel preached in to all the world,as a testimony to all nations,and then the end shall come,and the saints will observe things that happen on differents part of the earth,which can only be known by technology,which Daniel did not understand what was told him,but was told to his way,for he would not be able to understand,but they will be able to understand at the end time,because of advanced travel,and technology,for then they observe what the world is doing.
The beast attacks Jerusalem,and goes against the Jews,and God comes back with the saints,and saves Israel,and defeats the world.
The saints must of been resurrected up to come back with God,and to be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord.
Jesus said the Jews shall not see Him again until they say blessed is He that comes in the name of the Lord,and Israel as a nation is blinded in part,they do not acknowledge Jesus,until salvation is not available to the Gentile,and then Israel as a nationwill come to the truth.
The first attack on Jerusalem,because Israel rejected Christ.
The second attack on Jerusalem,because Israel accepted Christ.
oe 3:1 For, behold, in those days, and in that time, when I shall bring again the captivity of Judah and Jerusalem,
Joe 3:2 I will also gather all nations, and will bring them down into the valley of Jehoshaphat, and will plead with them there for my people and for my heritage Israel, whom they have scattered among the nations, and parted my land.
Joe 3:3 And they have cast lots for my people; and have given a boy for an harlot, and sold a girl for wine, that they might drink.
Joe 3:4 Yea, and what have ye to do with me, O Tyre, and Zidon, and all the coasts of Palestine? will ye render me a recompence? and if ye recompense me, swiftly and speedily will I return your recompence upon your own head;
Joe 3:9 Proclaim ye this among the Gentiles; Prepare war, wake up the mighty men, let all the men of war draw near; let them come up:
Joe 3:10 Beat your plowshares into swords, and your pruninghooks into spears: let the weak say, I am strong.
Joe 3:11 Assemble yourselves, and come, all ye heathen, and gather yourselves together round about: thither cause thy mighty ones to come down, O LORD.
Joe 3:12 Let the heathen be wakened, and come up to the valley of Jehoshaphat: for there will I sit to judge all the heathen round about.
Joe 3:13 Put ye in the sickle, for the harvest is ripe: come, get you down; for the press is full, the fats overflow; for their wickedness is great.
Joe 3:14 Multitudes, multitudes in the valley of decision: for the day of the LORD is near in the valley of decision.
Joe 3:15 The sun and the moon shall be darkened, and the stars shall withdraw their shining.
Joe 3:16 The LORD also shall roar out of Zion, and utter his voice from Jerusalem; and the heavens and the earth shall shake: but the LORD will be the hope of his people, and the strength of the children of Israel.
Again the world will attack Jerusalem,and God comes back with the saints,so they must of been caught up to Christ,to come back with God.
The way Jesus ascended is the way He will descend,and He was standing on the Mount of Olives,and when God comes back with all the saints He will step down on the Mount of Olives.
Zec 12:1 The burden of the word of the LORD for Israel, saith the LORD, which stretcheth forth the heavens, and layeth the foundation of the earth, and formeth the spirit of man within him.
Zec 12:2 Behold, I will make Jerusalem a cup of trembling unto all the people round about, when they shall be in the siege both against Judah and against Jerusalem.
Zec 12:3 And in that day will I make Jerusalem a burdensome stone for all people: all that burden themselves with it shall be cut in pieces, though all the people of the earth be gathered together against it.
The whole world will be against Jerusalem,and the Jews,the battle of Armageddon.
Rev 6:9 And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held:
Rev 6:10 And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?
Rev 6:11 And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.
The souls under the altar say,when will you avenge us Lord,and He said,when all the saints are caught up to Him,and then Jesus will avenge the saints,and come back with all the saints,and defeat the world,and save Israel.Revelation 19 says when Jesus comes back the saints are with Him.
There is a resurrection of the saints,and a second attack on Jerusalem because they came to the truth that Jesus is their Messiah,and the beast will persecute all people that hold the testimony of Jesus Christ.
