Who is the woman in Rev 12:5?

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Ahwatukee

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The Moon represents Jerusalem, and she is standing in the heavens, her feet not touching Jerusalem.

No!
Hello J7,

The literal meaning of symbolism in one scripture is revealed in another:

"Then he had another dream, and he told it to his brothers. “Listen,” he said, “I had another dream, and this time the sun and moon and eleven stars were bowing down to me.”

When he told his father as well as his brothers, his father rebuked him and said, “What is this dream you had? Will your mother and I and your brothers actually come and bow down to the ground before you?”

Sun = Jacob

Moon = Wife/wives

Eleven Stars = Eleven sons of Jacob, with Joseph being the twelfth.

"A great sign appeared in heaven: a woman clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet and a crown of twelve stars
on her head.

The woman clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet and wearing a crown of twelve stars represents the nation Israel
 
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I've got a book to write I'm out of here for today. Bye guys
 

JaumeJ

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According to studies of Genesis, some of the genealogies are deliberately missing due to a lack of relieable source material afforded Moses and later the Scribes who continually transcribed teh written Word.

This is why the exact date(s) of the Hebrew calendar, or if you prefer, the lunar caledar of Israel are not know, nor do I beliee they are to be known.

Thus there could easily be hundreds of years lacking in the cumputation since Adam, and so it would be if no man "knows the time or the Day."

Even according to the Hebrew Calendar we are on the very brink of the seventh thousand years. How many years are lacking in the computations really does not matter with faith, but they are missing according to those who know much more than I:

Praise God, surely Jesus Christ is returning soon, amen.

According to the genealogy of the bible we have just entered the 7th day. And also it's been 2000 years since the Lord smote the Jews and after 2 days he will revive them and on the 3rd day which is also the 7th day from the creation, they will live in his sight.

Hosea 6:1-2 KJV
Come, and let us return unto the Lord : for he hath torn, and he will heal us; he hath smitten, and he will bind us up.
[2] After two days will he revive us: in the third day he will raise us up, and we shall live in his sight.
 

J7

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God makes the same connection between feet and Jerusalem:

[Isaiah 66 1 Thus saith the Lord, The heaven is my throne, and the earth is my footstool: where is the house that ye build unto me? and where is the place of my rest?
 
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Hello J7,

The literal meaning of symbolism in one scripture is revealed in another:

"Then he had another dream, and he told it to his brothers. “Listen,” he said, “I had another dream, and this time the sun and moon and eleven stars were bowing down to me.”

When he told his father as well as his brothers, his father rebuked him and said, “What is this dream you had? Will your mother and I and your brothers actually come and bow down to the ground before you?”

Sun = Jacob

Moon = Wife/wives

Eleven Stars = Eleven sons of Jacob, with Joseph being the twelfth.

"A great sign appeared in heaven: a woman clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet and a crown of twelve stars
on her head.

The woman clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet and wearing a crown of twelve stars represents the nation Israel
If the woman is Israel and the moon is Israel, how is Israel standing on Israel... this makes no sense. But what does make since is that the woman, the church has the dominion over Israel i.e., the kingdom was taken from Israel and given to the gentiles.
 
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#46
According to studies of Genesis, some of the genealogies are deliberately missing due to a lack of relieable source material afforded Moses and later the Scribes who continually transcribed teh written Word.

This is why the exact date(s) of the Hebrew calendar, or if you prefer, the lunar caledar of Israel are not know, nor do I beliee they are to be known.

Thus there could easily be hundreds of years lacking in the cumputation since Adam, and so it would be if no man "knows the time or the Day."

Even according to the Hebrew Calendar we are on the very brink of the seventh thousand years. How many years are lacking in the computations really does not matter with faith, but they are missing according to those who know much more than I:

Praise God, surely Jesus Christ is returning soon, amen.
It doesn't matter if early dates are missing because the 3rd day, 3 days since the first coming, is also the 7th day. The 3rd day or 7th day is when we will live in his sight. :)
 

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I like your answer! :) What do you mean by "we are part of the mystery of God"?
The book of Ephesians refers to God gathering all things in Christ as the mystery of God. Now to answer your question of what I mean by "we are part of the mystery of God." Those who desired to be like God fell in the mind of the flesh in the garden, the fruit: selfish existence. This includes natural Israel who did not seek it by faith that works by Love. Now those who return as servants of no reputations: the prodigal son, are received as sons, "those who suffer with Him will rule with Him." Those who think that God will yet again chose natural Israel do not understand that the old covenant was nullified by Jesus dying. The abomination prophesied by Daniel to stand in the church, (now the temple of God) and the daily sacrifice taken away happens twice the first time happened already, Daniel 8:11, and the interpretation in 8:23 referring to Hitler fighting against the Jews and Christians, coinciding with the length of the second world war: 2,300 days, the second time is in Daniel 12:7 for a time, times and the dividing of time, being the judgment, this time the persecution is against the church as mentioned the enemy making war against the woman and the remnant of her seed. A hidden meaning here, the persecution of the church is commonly know as the rapture. "The overcame by the blood of the Lamb, the word of their testimony and they loved not their lives as much as to shrink from death. Where the enemy will cause everyone who doesn't worship it to be put to death. It also doesn't mean that the effect of the cause is that all will be cough up to God, before the end. As saying if we jump to conclusion and think we know, we stop learning. "Except those days be shortened no flesh shall be saved, but for the elect's sake, those days shall be shortened."
 

JaumeJ

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It would seem reasnable that if the number of years amounting to either three or four "God-like days" is not know, the three of those days since Christ's first advent would also be off according to the previous disparity, but this is my reasoning. Also the hour and the day are only known to our blessed God.




It doesn't matter if early dates are missing because the 3rd day, 3 days since the first coming, is also the 7th day. The 3rd day or 7th day is when we will live in his sight. :)
 

J7

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how is WW2 2300 days??
 

JaumeJ

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Now I am impelled to share the wisdom of the ages.

We do not know the exact time or day.

How do I know?

Jesus told me........and He told all.
 

Katy-follower

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The end times become really clear once you identify who the woman is.

The 12 stars refer to the 12 tribes of Israel, which will consist of 144,000.

Compare Rev 12 to Genesis 37...

Rev 12:1-6:
"Now a great sign appeared in heaven: a woman clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet, and on her head a garland of twelve stars. Then being with child, she cried out in labor and in pain to give birth. And another sign appeared in heaven: behold, a great, fiery red dragon having seven heads and ten horns, and seven diadems on his heads. His tail drew a third of the stars of heaven and threw them to the earth. And the dragon stood before the woman who was ready to give birth, to devour her Child as soon as it was born. She bore a male Child (Jesus) who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron. And her Child was caught up to God and His throne. Then the woman fled into the wilderness, where she has a place prepared by God, that they should feed her there one thousand two hundred and sixty days"

Genesis 37:9: "Then he dreamed still another dream and told it to his brothers, and said, “Look, I have dreamed another dream. And this time, the sun, the moon, and the eleven stars bowed down to me.”

The male child (Jesus) came from the tribe of Judah (Israel). This all fits together perfectly with the woman being Israel.



Rev 12:13-17: "Now when the dragon saw that he had been cast to the earth, he persecuted the woman who gave birth to the male Child. But the woman was given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness to her place, where she is nourished for a time and times and half a time, from the presence of the serpent. So the serpent spewed water out of his mouth like a flood after the woman, that he might cause her to be carried away by the flood. But the earth helped the woman, and the earth opened its mouth and swallowed up the flood which the dragon had spewed out of his mouth. And the dragon was enraged with the woman, and he went to make war with the rest of her offspring, who keep the commandments of God and have the testimony of Jesus Christ"


There's a distinction made here, between Israel and her offspring (those who have the testimony of Jesus).

Satan tries to destroy Israel, is unsuccessful, gets angry, then goes after the tribulation christians. If you're suggesting that the woman is actually the church then you would be changing the interpretation of the above scripture to say "satan tries to destroy the church, is unsuccessful, gets angry and goes after the church" - doesn't make sense does it.

Just like Noah's Ark and Lot & his family, they were kept safe from God's wrath. So too will the remnant of Israel be kept safe. However, seems the majority of christians who get saved during the tribulation will end up getting beheaded for their faith (Rev 20:4)

The current faithful church is not mentioned in the last days at all, so obviously we won't be here. There just doesn't seem to be a plan for us in the tribulation as it's God's last call to repentance for all the non believers, and also He will be dealing with Israel during those days, as these scriptures confirm. There will be two witnesses. Seems to be a big flip here, because today the gentiles are the ones sharing the gospel with the world, but in the last days it will be predominantly the Jews proclaiming the good news to the world.
 

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2300 dais is the length of time the daily sacrifice taken away, and the abomination set up, this is all referred in the same context as the Man in verse 8:23 who is causing this war to happen and while the figure is close to the length of the war, referring to the length of time the abomination is in power and believers causes to enter this war but not specifically referring to the length of the war but the figures close within a month or 2 depending on when you count the beginning and end. Those figures don't bother me in interpreting but nice to see they are close. Daniel 8:12 a host given to him against the daily sacrifice, Hitler caused Christians to fight against Christians. On Christmas eve before the end of the war The Americans and Germans sang to the Lord together on the front lines that was the beginning of the end of the war. The restoration of the daily sacrifice... Don't feel bad many Christians I speak with cant see this.
 

Katy-follower

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Meant to say "Jewish believers" that will proclaim the good news.
 
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The woman is Israel,which the child Christ Jesus came from Israel,and was caught up to heaven,and will come back to rule the world with a rod of iron.
 
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If the woman is Israel and the moon is Israel, how is Israel standing on Israel... this makes no sense. But what does make since is that the woman, the church has the dominion over Israel i.e., the kingdom was taken from Israel and given to the gentiles.
He said the woman is Israel,and the moon is wife,wives,of Jacob,with Jacob being the sun,and the 12 stars being the 12 tribes of Israel,which is the truth,the woman is Israel,and not the Church,for the Church was never taken from the Jews,for salvation is of the Jews,and when a Gentile is saved they are a Jew inward,and belong to the commonwealth of Israel.

The Church was not taken from Israel,but they lost possession of their land temporarily,but the kingdom will be restored to them in the millennial reign of Christ,after God turns Israel as a nation to the truth that Jesus is their Messiah.

Rev 12:1 And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars:
Rev 12:2 And she being with child cried, travailing in birth, and pained to be delivered.
Rev 12:3 And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads.
Rev 12:4 And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born.
Rev 12:5 And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne.

The woman is pregnant with child,who is the child Christ Jesus,who came through Israel,who was caught up to the throne of God,and will come back and rule the world with a rod of iron.

Rev 12:6 And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days.

Rev 12:13 And when the dragon saw that he was cast unto the earth, he persecuted the woman which brought forth the man child.
Rev 12:14 And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent.
Rev 12:15 And the serpent cast out of his mouth water as a flood after the woman, that he might cause her to be carried away of the flood.
Rev 12:16 And the earth helped the woman, and the earth opened her mouth, and swallowed up the flood which the dragon cast out of his mouth.
Rev 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

The 7 years period that God will allow the world to have their way,and cause all people that do not love Him to follow the beast kingdom,and bring Israel as a nation to the truth that Jesus is their Messiah.

The nation of Israel is protected for the 7 years period from physical attack,but after the last three and one half years of persecution towards the saints,then those that remain will be gathered unto Christ,and then the world will attack Israel,and Jesus will come back with the saints and save Israel,and defeat the world.

The kingdom of earth shall be restored to Israel,and no Gentile government shall rule,and Jesus and the saints will rule over one sixth of the world that fought against Israel.
 

Ahwatukee

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The woman is Israel,which the child Christ Jesus came from Israel,and was caught up to heaven,and will come back to rule the world with a rod of iron.
Hello MattforJesus,

I would submit to you for your consideration, that the Male Child is a collective name representing the 144,000 who will be all males and are the first fruits who come out of Israel (gives birth to) and who will acknowledge Jesus as their Messiah.

Also, Jesus does not fit the criteria of being the male child:

Male Child = Caught up to God and His throne before the dragon can devour them

Jesus = Crucified, buried, resurrected and later ascended to God.

Jesus as being the male child has been the popular belief and everyone has just kind of followed suit. But upon closer examination, Jesus does not fit the criteria of being the male child. In keeping with the scripture, Jesus would have been devoured. Where the male child is said to be "caught up" which is the same word used that describes the living church being transformed and "caught up" to meet the Lord in the air. Hapazo is also the same word used when Paul said that he was "caught up" to the 3rd heaven and the same word used to describe Philip when he was "snatched away" from the eunuch.

Consequently, Jesus was not "caught up" but was crucified, buried and resurrected.
 

Ahwatukee

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If the woman is Israel and the moon is Israel, how is Israel standing on Israel... this makes no sense. But what does make since is that the woman, the church has the dominion over Israel i.e., the kingdom was taken from Israel and given to the gentiles.
No! The woman is clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet and wearing a crown of twelve stars. Therefore, since the sun represents Jacob and the moon represents his wife or wives and the stars represent the twelve tribes of Israel, then the woman as a whole represents the nation Israel.
 

Ahwatukee

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If the woman is Israel and the moon is Israel, how is Israel standing on Israel... this makes no sense. But what does make since is that the woman, the church has the dominion over Israel i.e., the kingdom was taken from Israel and given to the gentiles.
Sun = Jacob

Moon = Wife/wives

Stars = Jacobs sons

The woman is clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet and wearing a crown of twelve stars.

The woman combined with those symbols represents the nation Israel
 
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Rev 12:5 And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne.

The man child shall rule all nations with a rod of iron,which there is only one person who will do that,and that is Jesus.

The 144,000 shall not rule all the nations with a rod of iron,and also it is man child,singular.

Rev 2:27 And he shall rule them with a rod of iron; as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers: even as I received of my Father.

Rev 12:5 And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne.

Rev 19:15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.

Jesus is the man child who shall rule all nations with a rod of iron.
 

stillness

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It does say that many will be thought fables and will not endure sound teaching in the end time. I understand the difference between the enemy making war against church and the church taken out of trouble world not adding up. "behold I am with you always even to the end of the word, age, this generation: the Church shall not pass away until all these things be fulfilled. I'm here in the time of trouble, the Lord told me 33 years ago, "Behold I am with you in a time of trouble such as never was and shall never be again." I fear God and don't lightly say He told me. Also the Lord heald me of internal bleeding about 10 years ago to keep His word. To keep me here. He takes pleasure in choosing foolish things to confound those who think they are wise. Also quite aware that I cant cause those asleep to wake up. The Holy Spirit is the Life giving Spirit.