What Is The Difference Between The Cross And The Resurrection?

[seed_time_harvest]

I was looking at a thread earlier and In one of the post I saw something about the cross and the resurrection and what Jimmy Swaggert taught about the cross and the resurrection.

I wanted to open a discussion about this so I can get some knowledge about how would someone discribe the cross and the resurrection and why some like Swaggert think the resurrection Is not where the power Is?

 

[notmyown]

hiya, s_t_h

i'm unfamiliar with Mr. Swaggart and his teaching on this. i'm chuckling a little, tho, wondering why the Lord Jesus didn't say, "I am the crucifixion and the life."

Romans 4 tells us the Lord Jesus was raised for our justification.
and 1 Cor 15 says, if Christ has not been raised, your faith is worthless, you're still in your sins.

what does Mr. Swaggart say?

 

[resurrection33]

I was looking at a thread earlier and In one of the post I saw something about the cross and the resurrection and what Jimmy Swaggert taught about the cross and the resurrection.

I wanted to open a discussion about this so I can get some knowledge about how would someone discribe the cross and the resurrection and why some like Swaggert think the resurrection Is not where the power Is?

I wouldn't pay much attention to Jimmy Swaggert. I believe the resurrection is where we go when we die. The cross is a symbol of what Jesus went through to save us from our sin.

 

[PHart]

I wanted to open a discussion about this so I can get some knowledge about how would someone discribe the cross and the resurrection and why some like Swaggert think the resurrection Is not where the power Is?

Swaggert is probably referring to the fact that it is in the cross that the old life of sin is put to death. While it is in the resurrection that we are raised to a new life of righteousness.

 

[PHart]

I wouldn't pay much attention to Jimmy Swaggert.

I kind of have to agree.
While I do think he's a somewhat gifted teacher, he's what Jesus refers to as the salt that has lost it's saltiness and has no further use than to get cast out for men to trample on. Sad, but true.

 

[seed_time_harvest]

hiya, s_t_h

i'm unfamiliar with Mr. Swaggart and his teaching on this. i'm chuckling a little, tho, wondering why the Lord Jesus didn't say, "I am the crucifixion and the life."

Romans 4 tells us the Lord Jesus was raised for our justification.
and 1 Cor 15 says, if Christ has not been raised, your faith is worthless, you're still in your sins.

what does Mr. Swaggart say?

I copied this from another thread

Yep he was AOG and they let him go even though he bribed them with his millions. He committed it over and over even after he was caught.

Jimmy, Donnie and Gabriel all say routinely on SBN that one cannot look at the resurrection anymore[Jimmie publicly started this nonsense almost 5 years ago], you must look to the cross. Donnie even said a few weeks ago that there is no power in resurrection, just the cross....They have turned the cross into an idol....

I was channel surfing a few months ago and Jimmie was preaching that the new man is found at the cross, not the tomb....that the new man comes off the cross...he said it is shocking he knows, but he got a "new "revelation from the Holy Ghost....


Jesus is not on the cross...yet swaggert keeps him there.

 

[seed_time_harvest]

I wouldn't pay much attention to Jimmy Swaggert. I believe the resurrection is where we go when we die. The cross is a symbol of what Jesus went through to save us from our sin.

Could you expound on "I believe the resurrection Is where we go when we die"?

 

[seed_time_harvest]

Swaggert is probably referring to the fact that it is in the cross that the old life of sin is put to death. While it is in the resurrection that we are raised to a new life of righteousness.

Yes the law demanded death and JESUS had mercy on us and took our place and HIS death happened on the cross.

 

[resurrection33]

I kind of have to agree.
While I do think he's a somewhat gifted teacher, he's what Jesus refers to as the salt that has lost it's saltiness and has no further use than to get cast out for men to trample on. Sad, but true.

He used to be a famous preacher. He got himself into trouble, refused to accept the discipline of his church, left his church and started his own ministry, many years ago. But then I think he got himself into more trouble.

 

[resurrection33]

Could you expound on "I believe the resurrection Is where we go when we die"?

When we die, I think we go to another place. I think it's called the resurrection. Most people believe that when we die, we go to heaven, but I believe heaven is the word Jesus uses to describe what happens to us when we repent of our sin. Check out Matthew 4:17.

 

[MessageOfTheCross]

From the book Brother Swaggart, here is my question about the Cross?

QUESTION:
IS REDEMPTION CENTERED UP IN THE CROSS OF CHRIST OR THE RESURRECTION OF CHRIST?

ANSWER:
Redemption is centered up totally in the Cross of Christ. While everything else after the Cross, the Resurrection, Ascension, and Exaltation of Christ, played a tremendous part, and continues to play a tremendous part, the truth is, all of this is made possible, the Resurrection, Ascension and Exaltation of Christ, because of the Cross.

Please someone goggle the highlighted question and post the link from The Evangelist July 2011 - Jimmy Swaggart Ministries. I am unable to copy the link. There is much more!

 

[graceNpeace]

Trying to separate the cross from the resurrection is a lot like splitting a coin with different faces in two and claiming because the faces are different that the two sides of that coin do not belong together!

Without the resurrection any claims about the significance of the cross fall flat - they are totally meaningless!
(The enemies of Christianity devote an enormous amount of time time trying to disprove the resurrection. It started in the days just after the resurrection of Jesus Christ and continues unabated to this day.)
However, the resurrection unequivocally proves that the transactional claims of the cross (the sins of the world exchanged for the potential of eternal life by the shed blood of Jesus Christ) are in fact valid!

 

[FGT]

[h=2]What Is The Difference Between The Cross And The Resurrection?[/h]
Life and Death.

 

[Grace777x70]

Trying to separate the cross from the resurrection is a lot like splitting a coin with different faces in two and claiming because the faces are different that the two sides of that coin do not belong together!

Without the resurrection any claims about the significance of the cross fall flat - they are totally meaningless!
(The enemies of Christianity devote an enormous amount of time time trying to disprove the resurrection. It started in the days just after the resurrection of Jesus Christ and continues unabated to this day.)
However, the resurrection unequivocally proves that the transactional claims of the cross (the sins of the world exchanged for the potential of eternal life by the shed blood of Jesus Christ) are in fact valid!

Amen!

The resurrection has 2 facets to it - 1) we have been spiritually been raised from the dead with Christ and created as a new creation in Christ. Rom. 6:5-8

Romans 6:5-8 (NASB)
[SUP]5 [/SUP] For if we have become united with Him in the likeness of His death, certainly we shall also be in the likeness of His resurrection,

[SUP]6 [/SUP] knowing this, that our old man was crucified with Him, in order that our body of sin might be done away with, so that we would no longer be slaves to sin;

[SUP]7 [/SUP] for he who has died is freed from sin.

[SUP]8 [/SUP] Now if we have died with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with Him,

2) We will be resurrected from the dead to have new bodies that are incorruptible.


1 Corinthians 15:13-14 (KJV)
[SUP]13 [/SUP] But if there be no resurrection of the dead, then is Christ not risen:

[SUP]14 [/SUP] And if Christ be not risen, then is our preaching vain, and your faith is also vain.



We need to focus on the truth that we too have died with Christ on the cross and now our life is hidden with Him in God because we too were raised with Him to newness of life. The resurrection of Christ and all that our Father has done in Christ needs to be preached and taught in order for Christians to grow up in Him.

 

[MessageOfTheCross]

FYI, the Cross of Christ means the same as "The Finished Work of Christ" - "The Blood of Jesus." The RCC believes in the crucifix, Jesus is still hanging on the Cross.

Out of 603,550 men who were readied for war that came out of Egypt under the power of God (Numbers 1:44-46), only two took their inheritance; Joshua (a type of Christ) and Caleb (a type of the body of Christ) (Matthew 7:14). There is only one message that changes the body of Christ into the image of Christ, and that is Jesus Christ and Him Crucified.

The renewal of the mind daily is important to remember and not forget all the Lords benefits: Luke 22:19, Romans 12:1-2, Romans 8:2, Psalm 103, Revelation 3:2-3, Matthew 6:33, 2 Peter 1:12-15, Luke 9:23 (remember daily all of Christ benefits).

1. Remind yourself of how God works: (by grace through faith in Christ and His Cross - Romans 8:2)

2. Remind yourself of the Benefits of the Cross: (Justification, adoption; "In Christ" position; redemption; deliverance from the power of the sin nature, 1 Corinthians 6:20, Galatians 5:24, etc.)

3. Rest in the Finished Work of Christ on the Cross: Matthew 11:28-30, Romans 8:37

4. Learn of Christ and His Finished Work on the Cross; Matthew 11:29, Colossians 3:10, Psalm 34:8, 2 Peter 3:18, Luke 10:38-42

Mary sat at the foot of Jesus and learned of Him; she has chosen that good part! LEARN OF HIM DAILY, WHO HE IS AND WHAT HE ACCOMPLISHED OF THE CROSS OF CALVARY!

​Most Christians are blinded with a veil over their face by the misinterpretation of the scriptures as Israel was and is to the very day (a evil spirit is behind this - that puts the Christian in bondage). They make the scriptures as a duty, instead of faith alone. It has always been hard for a Christian man then and now to give up the works of the flesh. They want to do what the scriptures says to do with the flesh (Romans 8:13), instead of following Gods prescribe order of victory which is placing Faith exclusively in Christ and His Finished Work, i.e., The Cross, i.e., The Blood of Jesus; which then allows the Holy Spirit to accomplish and bring victory and do what needs to be done in the Christian life. The Holy Spirit only works in the perimeters of Christ and the Finished Work. (Romans 8:2). The "Law" says do - "Grace" says done!

 

[MessageOfTheCross]

God's prescribe order of victory over the sin, the world, the flesh, and the Devil, is Faith exclusively in Christ and His Finished Work, i.e, The Cross, i.e., The Blood of Jesus. Romans 8:2 - The Law of the Spirit of Life In Christ Jesus

Any other way is faith in yourself (self deceiving yourself), i.e., spiritual adultrey. You are producing another way which is another god.

The Way Of The Spirit
Focus: The Lord Jesus Christ (John 14:6)
Object Of Faith: The Cross of Christ (Romans 6:1-14)
Power Source: The Holy Spirit (Romans 8:1-2, 11)
Results: Victory (Romans 6:14)

Man's Way
Focus: Works.
Object Of Faith: Performance.
Power Source: Self.
Results: Defeat!

The only way to God is through Jesus Christ (John 14:6)...the only way to Jesus Christ is by the Means of the Cross (Luke 14:27). The only way to the Cross is a denial of self (Luke 9:23). If any person tries to come any other way, Jesus says, "they are a thief and a robber" (John 10:1).

1. Jesus Christ is the source of all blessings.
2. The Cross is the means by which all blessings are given.
3. The object of our faith must be Christ and the Cross.
4. That being done, the Holy Spirit will greatly help us. (Zechariah 4:6)

The Law Of The Spirit Of Life In Christ Jesus (Romans 8:2) gives the Believer victory over the world, the flesh, and the devil.

The Holy Spirit, He Works strictly within the parameters of the "Finished Work" i.e., "the Cross of Christ", which demands that our Faith be exclusively in the Cross of Christ. The reason is simple, that's were the price was paid, and the victory was forever won (Romans 6:1-14; 1 Cor. 2:2; Gal. 5; Gal. 6:14; Eph. 2:13-18; Col. 2:14-15).

The Holy Spirit doesn't require much of us, but He does require one thing, and without reservation. Our Faith must be exclusively be in Christ and the Cross, understanding that this is God's Prescribed Order of Victory. When we stay "victory" we are speaking Victory in every capacity, be it spiritual, financial, domestically, physical, etc. God's Prescribed Order of Victory is "the Cross of Christ."

Victory over sin: Romans 8:2
Victory over the world: Galatians 6:14 ; 1 John 5:4
Victory over the flesh: Galatians 5:24
Victory over the devil: Hebrews 2:14 ; Colossians 2:15

Righteous is only awarded by God through faith exclusively in Christ and His Finished Work, i.e., The Cross, i.e., The Blood of Jesus (Romans 4:5). Anything and everything else is (sin) Spiritual Adultery, Hagar, and For what the law couldn't do. The scripture says..."for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified (Galatians 2:16)."

Romans 3:23 - Justification is not what we do, and not what I am, and not what I worked for. It is what Jesus did and my faith in it that gives me the standing with God that I need to carry on my Christian experience. Sometime I do it well, and sometimes I do it not so well, but His justifying Grace will not fail unless my faith fails. It is just if I have never sinned and just if I have always obeyed (Romans 8:1; Romans 8:2).

 

[MessageOfTheCross]

If a Christians faith is not maintain exclusively in Christ and His Finished Work, i.e., The Cross, i.e., The BLOOD of Jesus, the works of the flesh will manifest.

Paul tells us this in the 5th Chapter of Galatians. The entire Book of Galatians, but especially the 5th Chapter, is a warning from Paul to the Church at Galatia, which is also meant for us. The warning is that if they place their faith in anything except “Christ and Him Crucified,” that “Christ shall profit you nothing” (Gal. 5:2).

The Apostle goes on to say that if the Believer doesn’t adhere to the Way of the Spirit, which is the Way of the Cross, then works of the flesh will manifest themselves. He said:

“Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the Kingdom of God” (Gal. 5:19-21).

Now let me say it again, because it is so very important:
If the Believer doesn’t understand the Cross of Christ, as it regards Sanctification, then, in some way, one or more of these “works of the flesh” are going to manifest themselves in his life. As stated, such is inevitable! The first four, “Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, and lasciviousness,” are obvious and easily understood. But the modern Christian quickly dismisses “idolatry, witchcraft, and heresies,” thinking they do not really apply today.

 

[breno785au]

These sayings look to the Cross and stuff, they sound great but can be sorted out pretty easily with scripture.

Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.
Hebrews 12:2 KJV

 

[Ariel82]

The cross symbolises death, the resurrection is life.

Christ died so that He might make a New covenant and join born again believers through faith in Him and the guidance of the Holy spirit to a Holy God.

 

[Meggido]

Swaggert is probably referring to the fact that it is in the cross that the old life of sin is put to death. While it is in the resurrection that we are raised to a new life of righteousness.

This is the gospel truth, but Swaggert leaves off the resurrection part. He says to be saved one must have faith in the cross, not Christ and that the new man is found by going to the cross.