For Signs.....1st on the List

[Angela53510]

Go study the Mazzaroth mentioned in job then mouth.....I personally am tired of every time someone posts something you chime in Angela with this ALL knowing wisdom and then began touting your education....the bible is clear...the first on the list is SIGNS and then SEASONS and the bible is equally clear that BIBLICAL ASTRONOMY IS ACCEPTABLE AND NOT SOMETHING TO BE DISMISSED! The only idle chatter is your diatribe against most threads...THIS IS BIBLE discussion and the BIBLE contains way more than just the gospel!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

AND if you don't like the subject.....go find a thread you can rip someone else in!

Funny, I reread my post, and I can't find a single mention of my "education!"

It had nothing to do with my education, and everything to do with being saved out of the New Age movement, which I was involved long before I had an undergrad degree, let alone post grad!

I saw this same type of drivel being pushed in the New Age movement, except then, it was the coming of gurus, ascended masters and the matreya! Signs and wonders in the zodiac. The exact same contents as this post, and you know, they would often refer to the Bible.

I think it is important to warn people away from this kind of nonsense. You start a thread with garbage, expect to have it criticized. Not because I am smart or educated, but because of how God delivered me from the New Age movement.

Sorry, you don't frighten me! Not likely I will be leaving, and I will stand against people who put together posts which are lacking in Biblical content, and instead incorporating the evils of the New Age movement.

Desert Rose posted an excellent critique on this prediction back on page 1, which is why I didn't get into the more technical aspects of this fad. Perhaps, Dcon, you should go back and read it, to see how absurd this whole thread and the idea it pushes us!

By the way, I learned about the constellations of the zodiac changing over the millennia from an astrologer, before I was saved. She read my chart, and nothing corresponded to actual life events. Even this astrologer figured out the basic astrophysics principle, that the stars don't influence. I don't happen to think God will use them to presage his return, either! JMO! Certainly not badly thought out ones like the OP!

 

[shrume]

A sign from God about a major event would be seen by everyone not just a select few who happen to have heard about it and took the trouble to investigate. In any case if this is a special sign what are we supposed to do about it that we havn't done already There is only about nine weeks before it appears.

How many people saw what the Magi saw that prompted them to travel 100s of miles to Jerusalem?

 

[dcontroversal]

So what......you learned from an astrologer....I learned for JOB and his UNDER INSPIRATION allusion to it (THE MAZZAROTH) and MOSES when he was inspired to write of the SIGNS and SEASONS associated with the SUN, MOON and STARS......NEXT.......and LUKE must be retarded as well when he was inspired to write what he wrote about the fearful signs and sights in the heaven....and lastly...just because you were one time sold out to new ageism and astrology does not men the scriptures that deal with it makes one of the same caliber....wake up and push your drivel someplace else Angie

Funny, I reread my post, and I can't find a single mention of my "education!"

It had nothing to do with my education, and everything to do with being saved out of the New Age movement, which I was involved long before I had an undergrad degree, let alone post grad!

I saw this same type of drivel being pushed in the New Age movement, except then, it was the coming of gurus, ascended masters and the matreya! Signs and wonders in the zodiac. The exact same contents as this post, and you know, they would often refer to the Bible.

I think it is important to warn people away from this kind of nonsense. You start a thread with garbage, expect to have it criticized. Not because I am smart or educated, but because of how God delivered me from the New Age movement.

Sorry, you don't frighten me! Not likely I will be leaving, and I will stand against people who put together posts which are lacking in Biblical content, and instead incorporating the evils of the New Age movement.

Desert Rose posted an excellent critique on this prediction back on page 1, which is why I didn't get into the more technical aspects of this fad. Perhaps, Dcon, you should go back and read it, to see how absurd this whole thread and the idea it pushes us!

By the way, I learned about the constellations of the zodiac changing over the millennia from an astrologer, before I was saved. She read my chart, and nothing corresponded to actual life events. Even this astrologer figured out the basic astrophysics principle, that the stars don't influence. I don't happen to think God will use them to presage his return, either! JMO! Certainly not badly thought out ones like the OP!

 

[shrume]

First, using the zodiac to predict the future is New Age and occult. Forget this nonsense about "Biblical" astronomy. Different cultures have called the patterns in the sky by totally different names. And this entire thread is about trying to use earthly signs, like astrology, to predict the end.

This is not prophecy or interpretation at all! It is evil, because Satan originated the whole concept of the zodiac. Yes, they are God's stars. He put them in place and started them in motion! The catch is that as the solar system travels through the universe, the constellations relative to us, change! The constellations that existed in John's time, it for that matter, when God created the universe have changed! They are variable, and should not be used for this kind of New Age prophecy thinly disguised with a few Scriptures, as usual, torn out of context.

The constellations have not changed, at least not in ~6000 years. The constellations that John saw are the constellations we see.

You don't know what you are doing when you mock Biblical astronomy.

The Magi knew from Daniel what to look for, and they saw the sign in the sky, and went to Jerusalem to seek out the Christ. Most everyone else, including the Israelites who should have known about it, were oblivious.

 

[dcontroversal]

The constellations have not changed, at least not in ~6000 years. The constellations that John saw are the constellations we see.

You don't know what you are doing when you mock Biblical astronomy.

The Magi knew from Daniel what to look for, and they saw the sign in the sky, and went to Jerusalem to seek out the Christ. Most everyone else, including the Israelites who should have known about it, were oblivious.

She sees a devil behind every bush and to be frank...I cannot believe anyone educated in the scriptures would make such comments......it is clear that God said that great fearful sights and signs in heaven would precede the coming of JESUS.....and biblical astronomy is BIBLICAL.......

 

[GaryA]

But I'm not a man from Galilee.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

"Well said, Dave..."

 

[Ella85]

First, using the zodiac to predict the future is New Age and occult. Forget this nonsense about "Biblical" astronomy. Different cultures have called the patterns in the sky by totally different names. And this entire thread is about trying to use earthly signs, like astrology, to predict the end.

This is not prophecy or interpretation at all! It is evil, because Satan originated the whole concept of the zodiac. Yes, they are God's stars. He put them in place and started them in motion! The catch is that as the solar system travels through the universe, the constellations relative to us, change! The constellations that existed in John's time, it for that matter, when God created the universe have changed! They are variable, and should not be used for this kind of New Age prophecy thinly disguised with a few Scriptures, as usual, torn out of context.

The fact is, Jesus told us the one sign that matters in Matt 24!

"And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in the whole world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come." Matt 24:14

How I long for the time when I can come to the BDF and see threads about the new countries and tribes where the gospel is being preached! How marvellous to hear of whole cultures coming to Christ!

This whole idle speculation is typical of American culture, which is all about self! About Jesus coming for me! Not about Jesus returning to a world, where there will be people from "every tribe and kindred!"

If you want to look at Revelation, try this verse!

"After this I looked, and there before me was a great multitude that no one could count, from every nation, tribe, people and language, standing before the throne and before the Lamb. They were wearing white robes and were holding palm branches in their hands." Rev 7:9

How did all that multitude get there? Well, someone preached the gospel to them! That is God's Plan A, and there is no Plan B!

"How then will they call on him in whom they have not believed? And how are they to believe in him of whom they have never heard? And how are they to hear without someone preaching?" Romans 10:14

Some if you have heard me say this before! I am pointing no fingers. But are you part of the problem, sitting around looking at the sky for Jesus return?

"Men of Galilee,” they said, “why do you stand here looking into the sky? This same Jesus, who has been taken from you into heaven, will come back in the same way you have seen him go into heaven.” Acts 1:11

Or, are you part of the solution -preaching the gospel to the lost, at home and abroad? And if you can't go, then pray for God to send forth workers into the fields, which are ripe for harvest.

"Therefore pray the Lord of the harvest to send out laborers into His harvest." Matt 9:28

Please stop this idle and fruitless chatter, and instead, let us focus on doing the task every Christian has been called to do! And that is share the gospel with the lost!

We are not talking about ASTROLOGY........it's actually ASTRONOMY.
Which is biblical considering God made everything. He also controls everything.

 

[Stunnedbygrace]

A sign from God about a major event would be seen by everyone not just a select few who happen to have heard about it and took the trouble to investigate. In any case if this is a special sign what are we supposed to do about it that we havn't done already There is only about nine weeks before it appears.

There was a sign when Christ was born but only three wise men seemed to know about it. Herod and Israel were all deeply disturbed when they showed up asking where He was! So it's true it would be SEEN by everyone but not true they would SEE it - you know?

 

[UnderGrace]

I think this is very interesting, I will have to read up on it.
I know that God is in control and nothing happens by coincidence.

In Genesis 1:14-19 God establishes the sun, moon and stars....he then lists 4 things they would be used for....Signs is first on the list.....throughout history we see the sun, moon and stars being used by God in unique ways to work his will or announce his will and this very applicable truth is woven throughout the bible with many events such as

Exodus <--Three days and nights of darkness Exodus 10:21-22
Joshua <--The sun and moon held in place almost a day Joshua 10:13
Job <----The 12 signs of the Mazzaroth and other astronomical events mentioned Job 26:11, 13-14 and Job 38:32
Hezekiah and proof he would live<---2nd Kings 20:9-11 and Isaiah 38:8
Jesus and his birth<---Matthew 2:1-2

Having said this.....On September the 23rd, only once in like an estimated 7000 years and after the Feast of the Trumpets which starts at sunset on the 21st and ends at sunset on the 23rd the stars, planets, sun and moon will align to mirror the sign found in Revelation 12......

What do you all think about this and do you believe this is significant.......

A sign from the God of heaven to humanity?

 

[Stunnedbygrace]

Funny, I reread my post, and I can't find a single mention of my "education!"

It had nothing to do with my education, and everything to do with being saved out of the New Age movement, which I was involved long before I had an undergrad degree, let alone post grad!

I saw this same type of drivel being pushed in the New Age movement, except then, it was the coming of gurus, ascended masters and the matreya! Signs and wonders in the zodiac. The exact same contents as this post, and you know, they would often refer to the Bible.

I think it is important to warn people away from this kind of nonsense. You start a thread with garbage, expect to have it criticized. Not because I am smart or educated, but because of how God delivered me from the New Age movement.

Sorry, you don't frighten me! Not likely I will be leaving, and I will stand against people who put together posts which are lacking in Biblical content, and instead incorporating the evils of the New Age movement.

Desert Rose posted an excellent critique on this prediction back on page 1, which is why I didn't get into the more technical aspects of this fad. Perhaps, Dcon, you should go back and read it, to see how absurd this whole thread and the idea it pushes us!

By the way, I learned about the constellations of the zodiac changing over the millennia from an astrologer, before I was saved. She read my chart, and nothing corresponded to actual life events. Even this astrologer figured out the basic astrophysics principle, that the stars don't influence. I don't happen to think God will use them to presage his return, either! JMO! Certainly not badly thought out ones like the OP!

This is not good angela. It's not a thread with garbage nd nonsense as you say and he is NOT looking to astrology in the way that you seem to think he is. We are to hasten His coming, we are to look up when we see "these things" begin to happen. You shouldn't chide people for wondering.

 

[Bogadile]

Angela do not be a party pooper The crudeness screams calvinism to me (Am I right?). I am spooked.

 

[dcontroversal]

We are not talking about ASTROLOGY........it's actually ASTRONOMY.
Which is biblical considering God made everything. He also controls everything.

Amen and the book of Job mentions at least two constellations and references the HEAVENS which speaks.....DAY unto to day and NIGHT UNTO NIGHT sets forth KNOWLEDGE...Job references the Mazzaroth UNDER inspiration and just because humanity dia Astrology has attempted to distort the knowledge SPOKEN at night and the signs of the MAZZAROTH does not mean that we cannot see as believers.......religion sees a devil behind every bush.........

 

[garee]

John calls it a great sign in the heaven....not a parable.........

Makes me wonder that when he does come, will Christ find his source of faith in accordance to the same spirit of faith according as it is written in the book of prophcy called the Bible or astrology charts?

Luke 18:8 I tell you that he will avenge them speedily. Nevertheless when the Son of man cometh, shall he find faith on the earth?

Without parables, a word that means to come along side in comparison with another, comparing the temporal things seen to the eternal things not seen (the faith principle. Christ, the word of God spoke not. In doing so he hides the spiritual meaning from those who seek after signs as wonders

Matthew 13:34 All these things spake Jesus unto the multitude in parables; and without a parable spake he not unto them:

Mark 4:11 And he said unto them, Unto you it is given to know the mystery of the kingdom of God: but unto them that are without, all these things are done in parables:

It’s a evil generation (natural man) that seeks after a sign. The sun moon and stars are used as observation not signs as a source of faith to seek after or have a hope towards.

The chaste virgin bride the church shown in that parable found in Revelation 12.She is the same bride found in the Genesis 3:15 parable.

God creating a bride to live with forever is the whole theme of the Bible. It has nothing to do with the corrupted flesh of mankind (not male or female Jew or Genetile .What you see is not that in which we will receive .we walk by faith the unseen (faith law)

It’s all on how we look at the things seen in order to understand the things which are not seen.

2Co 4:18 While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.

 

[dcontroversal]

Makes me wonder that when he does come, will Christ find his source of faith in accordance to the same spirit of faith according as it is written in the book of prophcy called the Bible or astrology charts?

Luke 18:8 I tell you that he will avenge them speedily. Nevertheless when the Son of man cometh, shall he find faith on the earth?

Without parables, a word that means to come along side in comparison with another, comparing the temporal things seen to the eternal things not seen (the faith principle. Christ, the word of God spoke not. In doing so he hides the spiritual meaning from those who seek after signs as wonders

Matthew 13:34 All these things spake Jesus unto the multitude in parables; and without a parable spake he not unto them:

Mark 4:11 And he said unto them, Unto you it is given to know the mystery of the kingdom of God: but unto them that are without, all these things are done in parables:

It’s a evil generation (natural man) that seeks after a sign. The sun moon and stars are used as observation not signs as a source of faith to seek after or have a hope towards.

The chaste virgin bride the church shown in that parable found in Revelation 12.She is the same bride found in the Genesis 3:15 parable.

God creating a bride to live with forever is the whole theme of the Bible. It has nothing to do with the corrupted flesh of mankind (not male or female Jew or Genetile .What you see is not that in which we will receive .we walk by faith the unseen (faith law)

It’s all on how we look at the things seen in order to understand the things which are not seen.

2Co 4:18 While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.

You know, as long and you totally miss the point and accuse like you have in this post...don't even address me...my faith in Jesus is rock solid and I am sick of liars equating astronomy with astrology and making false accusations and allegations....JESUS told HIS disciples...WHEN you SEE these things.....it is NOT unbiblical to pay attention to what is happening around us and NOTICE the things that are taking place to know that the TIME is near or at hand...THE first two things on the list are for SIGNS and APPOINTED TIMES (SEASONS)....the bible is replete with events that HAPPENED in the heavens to make points, be used as signs, or to set in motion certain events....Luke 21...GREAT fearful sights and signs from HEAVEN and then LOOK up for your redemption draweth NIGH.....JOB, JOSHUA, ISAIAH, KINGS, REVELATION, JOEL, etc ALL speaks to particular EVENTS taking place in the heavens and those events being tied to the END OF THE AGE....get over it and quit making mouthy comments to derail an honest thread that is looking into the things!

 

[garee]

You know, as long and you totally miss the point and accuse like you have in this post...don't even address me...my faith in Jesus is rock solid and I am sick of liars equating astronomy with astrology and making false accusations and allegations....JESUS told HIS disciples...WHEN you SEE these things.....it is NOT unbiblical to pay attention to what is happening around us and NOTICE the things that are taking place to know that the TIME is near or at hand...THE first two things on the list are for SIGNS and APPOINTED TIMES (SEASONS)....the bible is replete with events that HAPPENED in the heavens to make points, be used as signs, or to set in motion certain events....Luke 21...GREAT fearful sights and signs from HEAVEN and then LOOK up for your redemption draweth NIGH.....JOB, JOSHUA, ISAIAH, KINGS, REVELATION, JOEL, etc ALL speaks to particular EVENTS taking place in the heavens and those events being tied to the END OF THE AGE....get over it and quit making mouthy comments to derail an honest thread that is looking into the things!

Big difference between observing signs like ; what day is it, what time and seeking after signs as a wonder (a faith principle). The Zodiac has nothing to do with the gospel of Christ we walk by the same spirit of faith according as it is written not by sight. Again we observe signs not seek after them as if they were a wonder’/faith /source . A distinction must be made between signs for observation and a sign and wonder a source of seeking after a promise .Signs are not prophecy. Prophecy is for those who do believe the one source of faith our unseen God .Again its make me wonder that when he comes will he find faith according to the word of God or the Zodia.Christ will come like a thief in the night .

The apostate Jews as stargazers (outward of the flesh) sought after a sign as a wonder before they would believe . It made the true source of faith (prophecy) without effect stumbling over the true

For the Jews require a sign, and the Greeks seek after wisdom:But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumblingblock, and unto the Greeks foolishness; 1Co 1:22

 

[dcontroversal]

Big difference between observing signs like ; what day is it, what time and seeking after signs as a wonder (a faith principle). The Zodiac has nothing to do with the gospel of Christ we walk by the same spirit of faith according as it is written not by sight. Again we observe signs not seek after them as if they were a wonder’/faith /source . A distinction must be made between signs for observation and a sign and wonder a source of seeking after a promise .Signs are not prophecy. Prophecy is for those who do believe the one source of faith our unseen God .Again its make me wonder that when he comes will he find faith according to the word of God or the Zodia.Christ will come like a thief in the night .

The apostate Jews as stargazers (outward of the flesh) sought after a sign as a wonder before they would believe . It made the true source of faith (prophecy) without effect stumbling over the true

For the Jews require a sign, and the Greeks seek after wisdom:But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumblingblock, and unto the Greeks foolishness; 1Co 1:22

This proves the following...

a. You don't read or understand what I have written
b. Show me where I said I was seeking a sign or be found full of it
c. Your ignorance of the fact that the HEAVENS and creation does SPEAK and WITNESS
d. Your ignorance of the INSPIRED comments that give weight to (c)
e. Christ ONLY comes as a thief to those who are BLIND and not in the LIGHT 1st Thessalonians 5 (read down two more verses from your yanked out of context quote)

BUT, BRETHERN you are not in darkness that that day should overtake you as a THIEF!

 

[garee]

This proves the following...

a. You don't read or understand what I have written
b. Show me where I said I was seeking a sign or be found full of it

You are seeking after some eclipse or something, giving dates for some reason?.

c. Your ignorance of the fact that the HEAVENS and creation does SPEAK and WITNESS

It reveals the unseen glory of God in so much that he is our Fatiful Creator.No need to take it further and start to connect dots of the million that are there . A person can make the things made for observation and not seeking after as a form of faith


Scripture alone is used as a wonder to draw men towards thier God . Prophecy is for those who beleive, signs and wonders for those who belive not(no faith)

By connecting te billions of dots a person can make up any kind of story

d. Your ignorance of the INSPIRED comments that give weight to (c)
e. Christ ONLY comes as a thief to those who are BLIND and not in the LIGHT 1st Thessalonians

In light of what verse?

5 (read down two more verses from your yanked out of context quote)

BUT, BRETHERN you are not in darkness that that day should overtake you as a THIEF!

He will not over take those who are warned and therefore informed just like with Noah They walked by faith not receiving the reward , not looking for signs and wonders the unseen faith.

Christ said on more than one occassion its an evil generation that does He will come like a thief in the night (unexpected) to all as a way of saying no man knows the day hour year . I would suggest no guessing.

 

[garee]

So what is the other type of light, imaginary ?

From the imaginations of the heart of God who beleived light would come as a work of His faith He said let here be light... and there was.Four day later he turned on the temporal with the flick of let there be and there was. He does not need a switch just faith.

Revelation 22:5 And there shall be no night there; and they need no candle, neither light of the sun; for the Lord God giveth them light: and they shall reign for ever and ever.



Rev 7:16 They shall hunger no more, neither thirst any more; neither shall the sun light on them, nor any heat.