The Book Of Enoch

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J7

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Anyone read it?
 

J7

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Is it factual?
 
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Is it factual?
Interesting read, but not part of the inspired cannon, so I would never preach or teach from it.

The fact that Jude quotes Enoch is interesting, but not enough for me to call it scripture.
 
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Is it factual?
My honest evaluation.....

a. Contains some very interesting thoughts
b. I have found nothing per se that contradicts the bible
c. Is quoted and or referenced numerous times in the bible along with Jasher<---Meggido
d. Contains some things that seem to go above human reasoning like solar winds, the axis tilt of the earth and a few other things.

I have no issue with it, and have referenced it only when referring to Jude......
 

Ahwatukee

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Interesting read, but not part of the inspired cannon, so I would never preach or teach from it.

The fact that Jude quotes Enoch is interesting, but not enough for me to call it scripture.
Interesting! Did you know that the prophesies of Enoch were apart of the scriptures up to the third century?

Since Jude quoted from the prophesies of Enoch, some can't be God-breathed and others not. The prophesies of Enoch are either all God inspired or none of them are.

Enoch sheds much light on Genesis 6:1-4 regarding the sons of God, those angels that took wives from the progeny of mankind, their offspring the giants, the sons of God who taught mankind sorcery, astrology, how to make weapons of war, the beautifying of the eyebrows, the divining of roots and trees and much more. Because of all this mankind became corrupted and the offspring of the angels were destroying mankind because they could not keep them fed and that because a they were out of scale to food. Noah as the son of Lamech is mentioned in Enoch, as well as the flood and much more.
 
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I have and have a copy.....
The oldest known Jewish work not included in the canon of Constantines universal church, is the Book of Enoch. This is a complex work, the known copies of which were written in the third (or perhaps even the late fourth) century BCE, after the return from the Babylonian Exile and the establishment of the Second Jewish Commonwealth (6th-5th centuries BCE) and before the Maccabean revolt in 172 BCE.

The oldest COPIES of the Book of Enoch, dating from the third century BCE, were discovered among the Dead Sea Scrolls

Among the Dead Sea Scrolls were a number of manuscripts of the Apocrypha and Pseudepigrapha, including ten manuscripts of the Book of Enoch in the original Aramaic (until then copies were extant only in an Ethiopic translation of a Greek translation of a Semitic original), which were vital to answering many questions about its origins. Dating of the manuscripts by their script shows that certain parts of Enoch are at least as old as the third century BCE.

I believe, and will later reveal, that there is ample evidence to support the belief that the original Books of Enoch, the latest copies of which were discovered among the Dead Sea scrolls, date back much earlier than the 5th century, and that the originals were taken from Egypt, the land of first born, by Moses.
Genesis 5: 23; Enoch was 365 and had spent his life in fellowship with God when he disappeared because God had Taken him.

Hebrews 11: 5; "By faith Enoch was Translated (To change from one form to another) so that he should not experience death; and he was not found, because God had Translated him.

Enoch, the most important man in the OT and the NT, and yet he has been rejected by both the Jesish church and the Roman church of Emperor Constantine.


"The Book of the Secrets of Enoch" 22: 8; "And I fell prone and bowed down to the Lord, and the Lord with his lips said to me: "Have courage, Enoch, do not fear, arise and stand before my face into eternity."

And the archistratiege Michael lifted me up, and led me before the Lord"s face.

And the Most High, (who held the ransom blood of righteous Abel) said to the glorious creatures that surrounded him, tempting them: "Let Enoch stand before my face into eternity," and the glorious creatures bowed down to the Lord, and said: "Let Enoch go [Or be released] according to Thy word." Enoch, was the first to be released.

The Great and glorious simulacrum which is the sacrifice that God has prepared for us, and of which Enoch was the chosen cornerstone, dies in the process of involution, to be the saviour of we in evolution, This he does by releasing all the righteous spirits that are He, from the least to the greatest, and Enoch was the first.

And the Lord said to Michael: "Go take Enoch from out his earthly garments, and anoint him with my sweet ointment, and put him into the garments of my glory." [Enoch, the one who was anointed as the successor to the Godhead: CHRIST=The anointed one]


And Michael did thus as the Lord told him. He anointed me, and dressed me, and the appearance of that ointment is more than the great light, and his ointment is like sweet dew, and its smell mild, shining like the sun"s rays, and I looked at myself, and was like one of his glorious ones.

365, is the number of days in a calendar year. The Lamb of God who takes on the sins of the world is to be a one year old unblemished Lamb. Enoch the anointed one, is the unblemished Lamb of God.
 
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Interesting! Did you know that the prophesies of Enoch were apart of the scriptures up to the third century?

Since Jude quoted from the prophesies of Enoch, some can't be God-breathed and others not. The prophesies of Enoch are either all God inspired or none of them are.

Enoch sheds much light on Genesis 6:1-4 regarding the sons of God, those angels that took wives from the progeny of mankind, their offspring the giants, the sons of God who taught mankind sorcery, astrology, how to make weapons of war, the beautifying of the eyebrows, the divining of roots and trees and much more. Because of all this mankind became corrupted and the offspring of the angels were destroying mankind because they could not keep them fed and that because a they were out of scale to food. Noah as the son of Lamech is mentioned in Enoch, as well as the flood and much more.
Hey Ahwatukee,
Yes I did and I totally agree here, especially Gen 6.1-4. Let me clarify on when I say it is not scripture. What I mean by that is it is not something I would teach or preach out of myself...Others may have no problem with that, but I do and that is just my personal conviction and not a religious rule I enforce on other preachers or teachers.
 

Zen

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Steven Anderson made a video mocking people who believe in giants, saying that like 9ft tall is the biggest anyone would be. I'm not going to post any conspiracy theories, or pictures or evidence of these things, because I get mocked here too.

However, my thoughts are that:
If Enoch pleased God, it's obvious that he obviously wasn't a liar.
I believe that giants built the pyramids and that the flood eroded them, my reasoning is that Egyptian ruins have doors that are often very high and are surrounded by 60ft tall statues, I believe these to be roughly the size of the ones who built the pyramids.

There is mention of a huge tree in Daniel 4 which reached heaven, and if I recall correctly the giants in the book of Enoch were thousands of feet tall.
 

AllenW

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The oldest known Jewish work not included in the canon of Constantines universal church, is the Book of Enoch. This is a complex work, the known copies of which were written in the third (or perhaps even the late fourth) century BCE, after the return from the Babylonian Exile and the establishment of the Second Jewish Commonwealth (6th-5th centuries BCE) and before the Maccabean revolt in 172 BCE.

The oldest COPIES of the Book of Enoch, dating from the third century BCE, were discovered among the Dead Sea Scrolls

Among the Dead Sea Scrolls were a number of manuscripts of the Apocrypha and Pseudepigrapha, including ten manuscripts of the Book of Enoch in the original Aramaic (until then copies were extant only in an Ethiopic translation of a Greek translation of a Semitic original), which were vital to answering many questions about its origins. Dating of the manuscripts by their script shows that certain parts of Enoch are at least as old as the third century BCE.

I believe, and will later reveal, that there is ample evidence to support the belief that the original Books of Enoch, the latest copies of which were discovered among the Dead Sea scrolls, date back much earlier than the 5th century, and that the originals were taken from Egypt, the land of first born, by Moses.
Genesis 5: 23; Enoch was 365 and had spent his life in fellowship with God when he disappeared because God had Taken him.

Hebrews 11: 5; "By faith Enoch was Translated (To change from one form to another) so that he should not experience death; and he was not found, because God had Translated him.

Enoch, the most important man in the OT and the NT, and yet he has been rejected by both the Jesish church and the Roman church of Emperor Constantine.


"The Book of the Secrets of Enoch" 22: 8; "And I fell prone and bowed down to the Lord, and the Lord with his lips said to me: "Have courage, Enoch, do not fear, arise and stand before my face into eternity."

And the archistratiege Michael lifted me up, and led me before the Lord"s face.

And the Most High, (who held the ransom blood of righteous Abel) said to the glorious creatures that surrounded him, tempting them: "Let Enoch stand before my face into eternity," and the glorious creatures bowed down to the Lord, and said: "Let Enoch go [Or be released] according to Thy word." Enoch, was the first to be released.

The Great and glorious simulacrum which is the sacrifice that God has prepared for us, and of which Enoch was the chosen cornerstone, dies in the process of involution, to be the saviour of we in evolution, This he does by releasing all the righteous spirits that are He, from the least to the greatest, and Enoch was the first.

And the Lord said to Michael: "Go take Enoch from out his earthly garments, and anoint him with my sweet ointment, and put him into the garments of my glory." [Enoch, the one who was anointed as the successor to the Godhead: CHRIST=The anointed one]


And Michael did thus as the Lord told him. He anointed me, and dressed me, and the appearance of that ointment is more than the great light, and his ointment is like sweet dew, and its smell mild, shining like the sun"s rays, and I looked at myself, and was like one of his glorious ones.

365, is the number of days in a calendar year. The Lamb of God who takes on the sins of the world is to be a one year old unblemished Lamb. Enoch the anointed one, is the unblemished Lamb of God.
Wow, what a story.
No wonder it's not in the Bible.
 
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Interesting! Did you know that the prophesies of Enoch were apart of the scriptures up to the third century?

Since Jude quoted from the prophesies of Enoch, some can't be God-breathed and others not. The prophesies of Enoch are either all God inspired or none of them are.

Enoch sheds much light on Genesis 6:1-4 regarding the sons of God, those angels that took wives from the progeny of mankind, their offspring the giants, the sons of God who taught mankind sorcery, astrology, how to make weapons of war, the beautifying of the eyebrows, the divining of roots and trees and much more. Because of all this mankind became corrupted and the offspring of the angels were destroying mankind because they could not keep them fed and that because a they were out of scale to food. Noah as the son of Lamech is mentioned in Enoch, as well as the flood and much more.
Lots of stuff was "scripture" before the 4th century, including Gospel of Thomas, Gospel of Mary Magdalene, Gospel of Jesus and others. That was the reason for the Council of Nicea, to determine what was and what wasn't inspired. Even they couldn't pull it together. (The OT was pretty well settled by then though.) But the only group who considers(ed) Enoch as part of the Bible is Ethiopian Orthodox.
 
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Anyone read it?
It's a fraud, because scripture cannot go against scripture and that is why it was never accepted as scripture.

This portion in chapter 18 of the Book of Enoch....from this link below:

The Book of Enoch Online

"when I inquired regarding them, The angel said: 'This place is the end of heaven and earth: this has become a prison for the stars and the host of heaven. And the stars which roll over the fire are they which have transgressed the commandment of the Lord in the beginning of 16 their rising, because they did not come forth at their appointed times. And He was wroth with them, and bound them till the time when their guilt should be consummated (even) for ten thousand years.'"

It is complete dung, because it runs contrary to this scripture.

Isaiah 55:[SUP]10 [/SUP]For as the rain cometh down, and the snow from heaven, and returneth not thither, but watereth the earth, and maketh it bring forth and bud, that it may give seed to the sower, and bread to the eater:[SUP]11 [/SUP]So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it.

To believe the Book of Enoch to be scripture is to disbelieve the word of God in Isaiah 55:11

There are others offenses that runs contrary to the scripture since angels are not marrying nor given in marriage and so in no way would God join fallen angels in marriage.

Mark 12:[SUP]24 [/SUP]And Jesus answering said unto them, Do ye not therefore err, because ye know not the scriptures, neither the power of God?[SUP] 25 [/SUP]For when they shall rise from the dead, they neither marry, nor are given in marriage; but are as the angels which are in heaven.

The sons of God were the descendants of the godly lineage of Seth from which Israel's family tree sprung from.

You can't have the sons of God as angels when God will not join them. They cannot be fallen angels when scripture called them the sons of God.

So the sons of God were godly men that married outside the family line, thus setting an example as to why Israel was not to marry outside the nation of Israel to preserve themselves as the sons of God which they used to be before Christ had come.

Flesh cannot give birth to spirits; and yet that is the result of this fraudulent interbreeding between the celestial & the terrestrial.

John 3:[SUP]6 [/SUP]That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

1 Corinthians 15:[SUP]35 [/SUP]But some man will say, How are the dead raised up? and with what body do they come?[SUP] 36 [/SUP]Thou fool, that which thou sowest is not quickened, except it die:[SUP]37 [/SUP]And that which thou sowest, thou sowest not that body that shall be, but bare grain, it may chance of wheat, or of some other grain:[SUP]38 [/SUP]But God giveth it a body as it hath pleased him, and to every seed his own body.[SUP]39 [/SUP]All flesh is not the same flesh: but there is one kind of flesh of men, another flesh of beasts, another of fishes, and another of birds.[SUP]40 [/SUP]There are also celestial bodies, and bodies terrestrial: but the glory of the celestial is one, and the glory of the terrestrial is another.

So that is how the Book of Enoch is running against scripture and why it is fraudulent. The author(s) plagiarized portions of the New Testament to give its crappy writing style some legitimacy, and so you should see the evidence there as well.
 

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I would like a button that booed and hissed at a post I didn't like. Like this last one. ;)
 

miknik5

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It's a fraud, because scripture cannot go against scripture and that is why it was never accepted as scripture.

This portion in chapter 18 of the Book of Enoch....from this link below:

The Book of Enoch Online

"when I inquired regarding them, The angel said: 'This place is the end of heaven and earth: this has become a prison for the stars and the host of heaven. And the stars which roll over the fire are they which have transgressed the commandment of the Lord in the beginning of 16 their rising, because they did not come forth at their appointed times. And He was wroth with them, and bound them till the time when their guilt should be consummated (even) for ten thousand years.'"

It is complete dung, because it runs contrary to this scripture.

Isaiah 55:[SUP]10 [/SUP]For as the rain cometh down, and the snow from heaven, and returneth not thither, but watereth the earth, and maketh it bring forth and bud, that it may give seed to the sower, and bread to the eater:[SUP]11 [/SUP]So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it.

To believe the Book of Enoch to be scripture is to disbelieve the word of God in Isaiah 55:11

There are others offenses that runs contrary to the scripture since angels are not marrying nor given in marriage and so in no way would God join fallen angels in marriage.

Mark 12:[SUP]24 [/SUP]And Jesus answering said unto them, Do ye not therefore err, because ye know not the scriptures, neither the power of God?[SUP] 25 [/SUP]For when they shall rise from the dead, they neither marry, nor are given in marriage; but are as the angels which are in heaven.

The sons of God were the descendants of the godly lineage of Seth from which Israel's family tree sprung from.

You can't have the sons of God as angels when God will not join them. They cannot be fallen angels when scripture called them the sons of God.

So the sons of God were godly men that married outside the family line, thus setting an example as to why Israel was not to marry outside the nation of Israel to preserve themselves as the sons of God which they used to be before Christ had come.

Flesh cannot give birth to spirits; and yet that is the result of this fraudulent interbreeding between the celestial & the terrestrial.

John 3:[SUP]6 [/SUP]That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

1 Corinthians 15:[SUP]35 [/SUP]But some man will say, How are the dead raised up? and with what body do they come?[SUP] 36 [/SUP]Thou fool, that which thou sowest is not quickened, except it die:[SUP]37 [/SUP]And that which thou sowest, thou sowest not that body that shall be, but bare grain, it may chance of wheat, or of some other grain:[SUP]38 [/SUP]But God giveth it a body as it hath pleased him, and to every seed his own body.[SUP]39 [/SUP]All flesh is not the same flesh: but there is one kind of flesh of men, another flesh of beasts, another of fishes, and another of birds.[SUP]40 [/SUP]There are also celestial bodies, and bodies terrestrial: but the glory of the celestial is one, and the glory of the terrestrial is another.

So that is how the Book of Enoch is running against scripture and why it is fraudulent. The author(s) plagiarized portions of the New Testament to give its crappy writing style some legitimacy, and so you should see the evidence there as well.
Enow,

What you are referring to lightly in that the "sons of god" can't be fallen angels, then why mention, and then who are the Nephillim when it is said according to Genesis,

there were Nephillim in that day..........

.........and the sons of god saw that the daughters of men were beautiful?
 

miknik5

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I would like a button that booed and hissed at a post I didn't like. Like this last one. ;)
Do you think one can come to the TRUTH of SALVATION in CHRIST JESUS by reading (apart from the Canon of Scripture) the Book of Enoch?


No.

That's why it is not included in THE BIBLE...
Only those works that clearly speak of and point to CHRIST and SALVATION in HIM were included in THE CANON...
 

miknik5

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Therefore, I do not believe that we should boo and hiss that the Book of Enoch was not included.
GOD, by HIS SPIRIT, was able to dictate what should and what should not be considered clear TRUTH which points to HIS SON...
 

miknik5

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Just like the Gospel of Thomas
Even if this were true and Thomas account of the RISEN JESUS, the very structure of the book, in the hands of a babe who has not FIRST and FOREMOST entered in by way of THE DOOR, which is CHRIST, is very, very misleading...for it implies...even from the first line, that a man can somehow attain to a level of communication with GOD apart from THE SON and thereby attain ETERNAL LIFE.
 
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It's a fraud, because scripture cannot go against scripture and that is why it was never accepted as scripture.

This portion in chapter 18 of the Book of Enoch....from this link below:

The Book of Enoch Online

"when I inquired regarding them, The angel said: 'This place is the end of heaven and earth: this has become a prison for the stars and the host of heaven. And the stars which roll over the fire are they which have transgressed the commandment of the Lord in the beginning of 16 their rising, because they did not come forth at their appointed times. And He was wroth with them, and bound them till the time when their guilt should be consummated (even) for ten thousand years.'"

It is complete dung, because it runs contrary to this scripture.

Isaiah 55:[SUP]10 [/SUP]For as the rain cometh down, and the snow from heaven, and returneth not thither, but watereth the earth, and maketh it bring forth and bud, that it may give seed to the sower, and bread to the eater:[SUP]11 [/SUP]So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it.

To believe the Book of Enoch to be scripture is to disbelieve the word of God in Isaiah 55:11

There are others offenses that runs contrary to the scripture since angels are not marrying nor given in marriage and so in no way would God join fallen angels in marriage.

Mark 12:[SUP]24 [/SUP]And Jesus answering said unto them, Do ye not therefore err, because ye know not the scriptures, neither the power of God?[SUP] 25 [/SUP]For when they shall rise from the dead, they neither marry, nor are given in marriage; but are as the angels which are in heaven.

The sons of God were the descendants of the godly lineage of Seth from which Israel's family tree sprung from.

You can't have the sons of God as angels when God will not join them. They cannot be fallen angels when scripture called them the sons of God.

So the sons of God were godly men that married outside the family line, thus setting an example as to why Israel was not to marry outside the nation of Israel to preserve themselves as the sons of God which they used to be before Christ had come.

Flesh cannot give birth to spirits; and yet that is the result of this fraudulent interbreeding between the celestial & the terrestrial.

John 3:[SUP]6 [/SUP]That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

1 Corinthians 15:[SUP]35 [/SUP]But some man will say, How are the dead raised up? and with what body do they come?[SUP] 36 [/SUP]Thou fool, that which thou sowest is not quickened, except it die:[SUP]37 [/SUP]And that which thou sowest, thou sowest not that body that shall be, but bare grain, it may chance of wheat, or of some other grain:[SUP]38 [/SUP]But God giveth it a body as it hath pleased him, and to every seed his own body.[SUP]39 [/SUP]All flesh is not the same flesh: but there is one kind of flesh of men, another flesh of beasts, another of fishes, and another of birds.[SUP]40 [/SUP]There are also celestial bodies, and bodies terrestrial: but the glory of the celestial is one, and the glory of the terrestrial is another.

So that is how the Book of Enoch is running against scripture and why it is fraudulent. The author(s) plagiarized portions of the New Testament to give its crappy writing style some legitimacy, and so you should see the evidence there as well.
How does angel not given in marriage translate to sexual intercourse? It also say the angels in Heaven...were exactly do you think fallen angels reside? How do you explain Jude quoting the Book of Enoch?
 
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I view it in high regard, it is quoted in the Apostolic Writings not to mention its value as a stand-alone book. It has interesting things to tell us about history and closes some of the gaps. Would recommend reading it to everyone surely.
 

Zen

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It's a fraud, because

"when I inquired regarding them, The angel said: 'This place is the end of heaven and earth: this has become a prison for the stars and the host of heaven. And the stars which roll over the fire are they which have transgressed the commandment of the Lord in the beginning of 16 their rising, because they did not come forth at their appointed times. And He was wroth with them, and bound them till the time when their guilt should be consummated (even) for ten thousand years.'"

It is complete dung, because it runs contrary to this scripture.

Isaiah 55:[SUP]11 [/SUP]So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it.

To believe the Book of Enoch to be scripture is to disbelieve the word of God in Isaiah 55:11
I'm not going to claim that you're wrong because I haven't studied it enough. However, I believe those 'stars' may refer to the fallen angels.

Isaiah 14:12
How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!

Though a length of time of 10,000 years is not given in the bible, so I don't believe the book of Enoch as actual scripture.