Was the Catholic Church founded by Jesus himself?

onlinebuddy · Jun 28, 2017

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NG3QdH7Z74s
This is a catholic video.
Need your comments please.
No offense to anyone. [video=youtube;NG3QdH7Z74s]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NG3QdH7Z74s[/video]

TemporaryCircumstances · Jun 28, 2017

Hehehehe anything Catholic goes over great here

Ugly · Jun 28, 2017

Here on this Protestant site few people accept Catholicism as a denomination, but rather view it as a cult. The sites Official stance is also that the Catholic church is not Christian nor part of the church of Christ. Don't need to watch a video on it.

Enow · Jun 28, 2017

onlinebuddy said:

If the church was founded on the Rock, Jesus Christ, then yes, but that is not what the RCC had been advocating. They had said that the RCC has been founded by Peter.

I believe Catholics are saved because they believe in the Lord Jesus Christ and that God raised Him from the dead BUT the catholic catechism says otherwise, and thus laboring in unbelief doing the sacraments of catholicism to obtain salvation by as well as being a member of the RCC when they had been saved by Jesus Christ the moment they had believed in Him.

If there was only One Church founded by Jesus Christ, then why is it not mentioned in the Book of Revelations in relations to the seven churches where five needed chastening and two were exhorted to hold fast in the latter days for the edification of the christian churches?

Peter founded the RCC as declared by the RCC. I do not believe that.

All christians are part of the body of Christ with Jesus as the Head of that believer; BUT whether or not the believer is abiding in Him & His words, is something each believer should take to the Lord Jesus Christ at that throne of grace for help in seeking answers & wisdom in according to His words as kept in the KJV on whether their church is abiding in Him or not, regardless of the denomenation they are in for we are called to be His disciple; not a disciple of a church.

Blain · Jun 28, 2017

Huh... after watching the entire video I realized something.... I just wasted ten and a half minutes of being told I am not a part of the true church of Christ because i am not Catholic when they could have just come out and said that to begin with and then showed why the Catholics are the true church instead of telling us who our own denominations was made by and then showing no other evidence that the Catholics are the true church other than their claims that theirs was made by Jesus himself.

Not very convincing really

graceNpeace · Jun 28, 2017

Read up about Church History!

mj007 · Jun 28, 2017

All religious denominations were created by Man that is why there are so many of them, trying to create order out of something ineffable. And all it does is cause conflict. Even 'God is Love' doesn't make a lot of sense to those who read it, because God is ineffable. And yet it is centre to God. Knowing God and knowing Love are one and the same, it doesn't matter if you are black or white, religious or atheist, Catholic or Muslim.

If you do not know love, if the natural essence of knowing love has been crushed out of you by pain, if you cast judgement or hate in place of love, if opportunity to show it appears and you dismiss it, then you are invoking anti-God which is Self or Flesh, which is Sin.

I don't care what your crime is, I don't care what your religion is, I don't care what colour you are. If you have chosen to put all that to one side, and sacrifice belief for becoming a loving human being from this day forth, then you can teach me more about God than any religion can. When I see those who are loving I see Christ who is the physical manifestation of God.

We can focus on our differences, or we can focus on the one thing every human being has in common - it is God, it is Love.

Gabriel2020 · Jun 28, 2017

You are part of the true church, but the problem with the catholic church is they are the church that practice Idoltry. They pray to Mary and worship her more than worshiping God. glorifying the creature and not the Creator. You need to read ROMANS ,Chapter one. it will tell you about the Roman church. They know the truth, but live unto unrighteousness.

EarsToHear · Jun 28, 2017

I make an effort to not say anything negative about any religion or denomination.

The disciples were first called Christians at Antioch.

Acts 11:26 And when he had found him, he brought him unto Antioch. And it came to pass, that a whole year they assembled themselves with the church, and taught much people. And the disciples were called Christians first in Antioch.

Therefore, the Catholic Church is a johnny-come-lately.

Nevertheless, the following holds true for all who will:

John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

mailmandan · Jun 28, 2017

Catholic as in "UNIVERSAL Church?" (the body of Christ) YES.

Catholic as in "Roman Catholic institution?" NO.

dcontroversal · Jun 28, 2017

no---no---no---no---no---no---no!!!!

graceNpeace · Jun 28, 2017

The RCC has no more right to claim primacy, and Peter as their foundation than any other!

I think a short primer on Church History is in order:

By the 5th century or so after the church was first established churches in five locations rose to prominence - these were in Jerusalem, Alexandria, Antioch, Constantinople, and Rome. The leaders of these churches were known as patriarchs. There were many other congregations as well but all more or less looked to these five churches and their leaders for leadership and guidance.
The four eastern churches and their patriarchs were known to have rather speculative theology at the time and so disputes were fairly frequent. The Rome church was much more theologically stable and so often took the role of mediator at church councils when they were called to settle these disputes. As a result the Rome church and its patriarch gradually rose to prominence.

However, in the next two centuries the role of the four eastern churches and their patriarchs took on an increasingly different one to the Rome church and patriarch. The Roman Empire had been split into the Eastern and Western Empires some time before, and, the Western Empire had been beset by decline and invasion by Barbarians on several occasions. As a result the Western Empire almost ceased to exist as an administrative and government structure. The church in Rome and its affiliates because their structures remained intact became the de facto government and so its role became much more than just a church.

In the Eastern Empire, which was stable at the time, the four eastern churches and their patriarchs became, instead more and more subordinate to the Eastern empire. They also became much more conservative and dogmatic in their theology - partly an overreaction to the wild speculative theology of earlier times.

The church in the two parts of the Roman empire began to drift apart in theology and practice. This process was driven by the difficulty in communication across the empire at that time. The Mediterranean, at that time, was not a Roman lake, in fact it was a dangerous place to sail. The church in Rome increasingly began to assert its authority over the Eastern churches and given the differences in theology and practice that had developed this was resisted. Inevitably this led to a break, known as the Great Schism, in 1054.

The Eastern church developed into what we know as the Orthodox church (Greek, Serbian, Russian etc) and the Western church evolved into Roman Catholic Church.
The Orthodox church has barely changed in theology or practice in the 1000 years since the split.
The Roman Catholic church, on the other hand, driven by its much different reality, has changed dramatically. Many of its current doctrines evolved because of a desire to exert control over society as a form of theocracy.

So, although both the Orthodox church and the Roman Catholic church (RCC) can trace their origins back to Apostolic times, the Roman Catholic church, in particular, bears very little resemblance to the Apostolic church in the 1st century.
NONE of the exclusive claims that the RCC make bear scrutiny, simply because they share those claims with the Orthodox church!

MattforJesus · Jun 28, 2017

onlinebuddy said:

Churches that appear to start does not necessarily prove that it is false,but could be that the deception is popular,and covers much area,and when a Church comes up contrary then it is minority so it can be something a lot of people view as a new Church.

But it is true there can be only one true way.

The 7 Churches that Jesus addressed in Revelation is a prophetic statement of the way the Church age will go in popularity,and influence at that time,although there has always been people in the truth.

The Roman Catholic Church was popular for quite a long time,but that does not mean it is in the truth,for Jesus addressed a later Church as a synagogue of Satan,and it is obvious that when the Roman Empire embraced Christianity that they did not get rid of their pagan ways,and it became their foundation for interpreting scriptures.

The Roman Catholic Church is in the Church history of the 7 Churches,but comes later on,and not in good standing with Jesus,which He said repent of that way.

The last 2 Churches in the Church age is the 6th Church,the only one that Jesus did not have anything against,that will be popular at that time,which the Roman Catholic Church when it was at its most popular was before that,and was not popular with Jesus,and the last Church which is now,that they are neither hot or cold,but lukewarm,so God said He would spew them out of His mouth,and say they are rich,and increased with goods,and have need of nothing,but are wretched,and miserable,and poor,and naked,and blind,which this can refer to any Church for it is the end time has many hypocrites.

The popularity of the end time,which is now,will be the Roman Catholic Church,but then the Protestant movement became popular,and the end time where there are many hypocrites that are lukewarm,and in to money,and material things,and worldliness.

The 6th Church Jesus did not have anything amiss concerning them,but said those of the synagogue of Satan shall worship at their feet,and know that Jesus loved them,and Jesus will deliver them from the temptation that shall come upon the whole earth,which is when the world moves towards the beast kingdom,when they say Peace and safety.

The 6th Church in the Church age is not the Roman Catholic Church,but the Roman Catholic Church was popular,and before that Church,and is called the synagogue of Satan,for their blending of paganism and true Christianity,making it a false religion,and the 6th Church is the only Church Jesus did not have anything against.

You can observe what the Roman Catholic Church does and says,and you can see the paganism in her,for her foundation is paganism.

The Roman Catholic Church was popular for many years,and had a vast amount of control,but that does not mean she is in the truth,for all Churches Jesus had something against,but the 6th Church,and that Church is not the start of the Roman Catholiic Church,for she came earlier than that,but she is also not the 1st Church,but the 2nd Church,the synagogoe of Satan,the 3rd Church,Satan's seat,and the 4th Church,the depths of Satan.

In the fifth Church no mention of anything of Satan,as people started breaking away from the Catholic Church,but Jesus still had something against them,the 6th Church no mention of anything about Satan,and Jesus has nothing to say against them,as people continued getting more and more in the truth of the Bible,and popular,and then the 7th Church that is hypocrisy that is terrible.

The Roman Catholic Church is not the 1st Church,but was popular later on,and for quite a long time,although there were people in the truth,but the Catholic Church was very much controlling things to the point of persecution,which Jesus said do not do that,and God said feed and clothe your enemies,and they were not showing the love of Christ,and they are considered the synagogue of Satan,for it is the only place they can fit in the Church age,that was popular,having much influence,and she is a blending of paganism and Christianity,interpretating scriptures mostly by paganism.

The 6th Church,and the 7th Church,are mingled together at the end time,and Jesus will deliver those of the 6th Church from the temptation that shall come upon the whole world,so they have to be at the end time,but the Roman Catholic Church is also there,and will become popular like back in the old days,but under a new set of beliefs,for the dominion of the Roam Empire does not lose their dominion until God puts them down,which they will come together,and the ten horns come from them,the world split in to ten sections with a leader in each section,and they will devour the whole earth,tread it down,and break it in pieces,and establish a kingdom that rebelled against God,going by spiritual evolution,and since the Roman Catholic Church is basically their religious institution,they will change right along with them,for they want to revert back to the time before Christianity,for they like those systems better.

Although it is all nations together,the dominion is the Roman Empire,and the Vatican,and Pope,will change with them.

But many Catholics will leave them when they are even more extreme in paganism,the occult,looking at spiritual evolution,and the force of nature as their God.

All who do not love God will worship the dragon,and the beast,for it is the synagogue of Satan,but that is what the Roman Catholic Church is called by Jesus when they were popular years ago,the synagogue of Satan,and it is not hard for them to change to be worse because their foundation is paganism.

A harsh reality to accept for many people,but that is because they do not know the intentions of the Pope,and Vatican,and all occult groups have an inner,and an outer circle,and the new age movement believes that Lucifer is the helper of this world,and they will unify the religions,which the Pope will be the spiritual leader,and the Vatican the headquarters.

If a person looks at the Vatican,and things of the Catholic Church there is a lot of occult symbols,and things of the occult.

But I know the majority of people that belong to the Catholic Church have nothing to do with anything being of the occult,but they do not know,and does not seem bad to them,but if only they knew.

Gabriel2020 · Jun 28, 2017

This is a church that does not have the Holy spirit.there is no evidence of the Holy Spirit. Those that were spirit filled was killed, or chased away.

prove-all · Jun 28, 2017

And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT,
THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.

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the 47th chapter of Isaiah: “Come down, and sit in the dust, O virgin daughter of Babylon,
sit on the ground: there is no throne, O daughter of the Chaldeans: for thou shalt no more
be called tender and delicate. … And thou saidst, I shall be a lady for ever: so that thou
didst not lay these things to thy heart, neither didst remember the latter end of it.

Therefore hear now this, thou that art given to pleasures, that dwellest carelessly,
that sayest in thine heart, I am, and none else beside me; I shall not sit as a widow,
neither shall I know the loss of children” (verses 1, 7-8).

Here God prophesied that the Catholic Church would experience a great rebellion against
her evil deeds—and then, in the very end time, would bring those daughters back under
her direction; she would not “know the loss of children.”

The Protestant Reformation was a rebellion against Catholicism. Today, however, the
Protestants are in the process of being reunited with the Catholic Church under the pope’s rule.

The draft statement, the first issued by the International Anglican-Roman Catholic
Commission for Unity and Mission, is sure to generate more controversy. Indeed,
biblical prophecy indicates that full unity will not be achieved purely voluntarily.

At a certain point, the mother church will abandon its efforts to woo her daughters back
by flatteries and instead revert to the age-old method of preserving “Christian” unity by
exerting physical force.

However, thankfully, God says the Roman Catholic Church will again suffer the loss of
children “in a moment” (verse 9). Then Jesus Christ is going to rule the Earth.
Time is accelerating quickly, and all of this will happen in a moment.

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Revelation 18:4
And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people,
that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.

Jackson123 · Jun 28, 2017

No catholic was founded by man, they teach to pray to the death like pagan

OneFaith · Jun 28, 2017

onlinebuddy said:

(I didn't watch the full video)

I'm glad he recognizes that Christ only has one church, and that all others are branch-offs. "They have left THE Faith, and followed deceiving spirits." And because the Catholic Church is so old, I can see how he could think that it was the original church of Christ. But it's not. God appointed elders over each congregation, but he did not appoint an elder (pope) over all the congregations- that is where Christ alone sits. "He is the head of the body, the church, so that in everything HE might have the supremacy. We all have jobs to do, but no one is more important (more supreme) than another- only Christ is supreme.

Read the verse further... "They have left the faith to follow deceiving spirits, whose consciences have been seared as with a hot iron. They forbid people to marry and to abstain from certain foods." The only 'lent' in the Bible is in the context "He lent me his coat." Forbiding their priests to marry has lead to the molestation of many children.

Jesus said a house against itself will not stand. So how can the Catholic Church be against Christ if it were Christ's church? Jesus said call no one on earth father for you have one father and He's in heaven. The Bible says there is only one mediator between God and man- Jesus Christ, not Mary.

There are so many things that prove that the Catholic Church is not the church that Christ established.

OneFaith · Jun 28, 2017

Ok, I watched the ending which said something like Catholics have the never changing truth. That is not so. Jesus said that scripture was finished, and not to add to it nor take away from it, and Catholics have done both. They have a Catholic Bible with added books, and the are always changing the rules, even right up to the present day.

Catholics used to murder people for owning even one page of the Bible translated into english. Look it up, it's in history. I agreed to visit a Catholic Church once if my br would visit my church. The priest said not to read your bibles cause that's distrust to the priest. But the Bible says study the scriptures daily.

Bladerunner · Jun 28, 2017

Ugly said:

Hi Ugly......Now that <- that did not sound right when I said it????lol

I am not too sure about a Cult but Preterist for sure.

Bladerunner · Jun 28, 2017

Enow said:

You are right,,,Peter did not start the Church.... If you like reading, you can get good deals on ebooks from amazon (some $.99). They also have a Free Pc or Tablet, Mobile App allowing you to read ebooks on these devices..... Us it all the time. It is good, can take a number of books with me... the Bible, Concordances, special Books,etc.

WHile your at it, you might enjoy seeing what David Hunt said about "The Woman Who Rides the Beast" , I think it will change your mind about the RCC.

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