Do we live in an age of the miraculous?

[DJ2]

We do not live in an age of the miraculous.

In the scriptures, the periods of physical supernatural phenomenon were few and far between.

When they were active the "world was turned upside down". An honest and open-minded exam of the "proof" of our living in such an age will show that we are not.

All the tongue talking and back/headache healings will not change this fact.

Was the miraculous active during the time of the Jesus and the Apostles, of course. The Bible well documents this. The Word of God both teaches and convicts our hearts of this truth (Hebrews 4:12, Romans 10:17). Have these acts ended, of course. Not because the Bible tells us but because the same senses that looked upon the first miracles with awe now tell us those same events have ended. Appealing to accounts of the miraculous in the New Testament does not prove these events are happening today.

No appeal to even the most scholarly discourse will change this fact. No amount of anecdotal banter will prove otherwise. The evidence presented as proof of the miraculous is on par with that presented as proof of bigfoot or space aliens. None are convincing, except to those who wish it to be true.

Those who insist that the miraculous is upon us do a great disservice to Jesus's call for faith apart from sight. Pentecostals and charismatics are but making bogus claims of the supernatural instead of what Jesus really taught. Faith, not faith by miracles but faith without. It is long time for them to admit their emperor is naked.

We all know the scriptures I am speaking of:

Hebrews 11:1, Romans 1:17, & 8:24, 2nd Corinthians 4:18 & 5:7

We should not fear this lack of the miraculous but rejoice in the blessings of our faith being strong without it.
(John 20:24-29)

Unless of course your faith is based on these claims of the miraculous being true.

 

[resurrection33]

We do not live in an age of the miraculous.

In the scriptures, the periods of physical supernatural phenomenon were few and far between.

When they were active the "world was turned upside down". An honest and open-minded exam of the "proof" of our living in such an age will show that we are not.

All the tongue talking and back/headache healings will not change this fact.

Was the miraculous active during the time of the Jesus and the Apostles, of course. The Bible well documents this. The Word of God both teaches and convicts our hearts of this truth (Hebrews 4:12, Romans 10:17). Have these acts ended, of course. Not because the Bible tells us but because the same senses that looked upon the first miracles with awe now tell us those same events have ended. Appealing to accounts of the miraculous in the New Testament does not prove these events are happening today.

No appeal to even the most scholarly discourse will change this fact. No amount of anecdotal banter will prove otherwise. The evidence presented as proof of the miraculous is on par with that presented as proof of bigfoot or space aliens. None are convincing, except to those who wish it to be true.

Those who insist that the miraculous is upon us do a great disservice to Jesus's call for faith apart from sight. Pentecostals and charismatics are but making bogus claims of the supernatural instead of what Jesus really taught. Faith, not faith by miracles but faith without. It is long time for them to admit their emperor is naked.

We all know the scriptures I am speaking of:

Hebrews 11:1, Romans 1:17, & 8:24, 2nd Corinthians 4:18 & 5:7

We should not fear this lack of the miraculous but rejoice in the blessings of our faith being strong without it.
(John 20:24-29)

Unless of course your faith is based on these claims of the miraculous being true.

I think Donald Trump's victory over Hillary Clinton was a bit miraculous, considering that Hillary was ahead in the polls.

 

[posthuman]

living, is itself, miraculous

 

[breno785au]

We do not live in an age of the miraculous.

In the scriptures, the periods of physical supernatural phenomenon were few and far between.

When they were active the "world was turned upside down". An honest and open-minded exam of the "proof" of our living in such an age will show that we are not.

All the tongue talking and back/headache healings will not change this fact.

Was the miraculous active during the time of the Jesus and the Apostles, of course. The Bible well documents this. The Word of God both teaches and convicts our hearts of this truth (Hebrews 4:12, Romans 10:17). Have these acts ended, of course. Not because the Bible tells us but because the same senses that looked upon the first miracles with awe now tell us those same events have ended. Appealing to accounts of the miraculous in the New Testament does not prove these events are happening today.

No appeal to even the most scholarly discourse will change this fact. No amount of anecdotal banter will prove otherwise. The evidence presented as proof of the miraculous is on par with that presented as proof of bigfoot or space aliens. None are convincing, except to those who wish it to be true.

Those who insist that the miraculous is upon us do a great disservice to Jesus's call for faith apart from sight. Pentecostals and charismatics are but making bogus claims of the supernatural instead of what Jesus really taught. Faith, not faith by miracles but faith without. It is long time for them to admit their emperor is naked.

We all know the scriptures I am speaking of:

Hebrews 11:1, Romans 1:17, & 8:24, 2nd Corinthians 4:18 & 5:7

We should not fear this lack of the miraculous but rejoice in the blessings of our faith being strong without it.
(John 20:24-29)

Unless of course your faith is based on these claims of the miraculous being true.

I have witnessed and been a witness of too much for me to consider this tripe.

 

[DJ2]

I think Donald Trump's victory over Hillary Clinton was a bit miraculous, considering that Hillary was ahead in the polls.

Yes, if your understanding of the word "miraculous" is that loose. Labeling the mundane as miraculous is akin to calling evil good.

 

[posthuman]

Yes, if your understanding of the word "miraculous" is that loose. Labeling the mundane as miraculous is akin to calling evil good.

not that i'm making any inference about my previous comment from this comment, but only to clarify:

i don't consider "living" to be mundane; the fact of existence is to me, miraculous, and is inextricably dependent on the Living God by whom all things have their substance. if He did not observe a thing, that thing would not exist.

 

[DJ2]

not that i'm making any inference about my previous comment from this comment, but only to clarify:

i don't consider "living" to be mundane; the fact of existence is to me, miraculous, and is inextricably dependent on the Living God by whom all things have their substance. if He did not observe a thing, that thing would not exist.

The mundane is earthly or common. The miraculous is supernatural or heavenly. To label all existence as miraculous is to debase the word itself.

 

[Zen]

Every age that man experiences God's love in, is miraculous.

People can cure all kinds of sicknesses with faith and prayer, but these things aren't usually on TV or radio for others to see.

 

[oldethennew]

oh yes, Brothers and Sisters,

we are indeed living in the most miraculous times in Biblical History...

 

[DJ2]

oh yes, Brothers and Sisters,

we are indeed living in the most miraculous times in Biblical History...

More miraculous then Gods' deliverance of the Jews from Egypt? More miraculous then our Lord's miracles and resurrection? What makes you think this age is more miraculous then those?

 

[posthuman]

The mundane is earthly or common. The miraculous is supernatural or heavenly. To label all existence as miraculous is to debase the word itself.

. . there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we exist. And there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we exist.
(Colossians 1:16)
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if all things exist through Him and for Him -- how can their existence be anything but supernaturally prevailing, and if existing is good, how can it be anything but heaven-sent, since we know every good gift comes from heaven?

we call things 'mundane' when we cease to wonder over them. to my son, lunch is a boring routine. to my cat, it is amazing. take a man who struggles half or more of every day to find potable water just in order to survive, and show him how much of it typical 1[SUP]st[/SUP] world family daily wastes, and you'll see the difference.
it is like the word, 'weed' -- there is no such biological classification of plants. a weed is simply any plant, flowering or not, that a person doesn't desire in their lawn. existing may be 'mundane' to anyone that takes it for granted: it is purely subjective, and a matter of how much one does or does not appreciate it for what it is or what it doesn't necessarily have to be.

some view existence as though it is their inalienable 'right' and go further still as though it is prerogative. i see it is mercy & favor. you say i'm debasing a connotation; i say i'm standing forever in awe of His grace.

 

[wattie]

Yes we aren't living in an age of miracles. Not how the bible defines miracles.


* 100 percent, full healing
* Instant (or within a very short period of time)
* No recurrence of the illness/injury (unless they hurt themselves at a later date- then of course.. its new.. not the same injury)

* From God
* Done for a particular purpose/teaching
* Suspends natural laws but does not brake them
* Rare! Look at the miracles in the New Testament.. and the time between them.

God can still do miracles but he isn't using the gift of miracles in people anymore.

 

[Dino246]

We do not live in an age of the miraculous.

In the scriptures, the periods of physical supernatural phenomenon were few and far between.

When they were active the "world was turned upside down". An honest and open-minded exam of the "proof" of our living in such an age will show that we are not.

All the tongue talking and back/headache healings will not change this fact.

Was the miraculous active during the time of the Jesus and the Apostles, of course. The Bible well documents this. The Word of God both teaches and convicts our hearts of this truth (Hebrews 4:12, Romans 10:17). Have these acts ended, of course. Not because the Bible tells us but because the same senses that looked upon the first miracles with awe now tell us those same events have ended. Appealing to accounts of the miraculous in the New Testament does not prove these events are happening today.

No appeal to even the most scholarly discourse will change this fact. No amount of anecdotal banter will prove otherwise. The evidence presented as proof of the miraculous is on par with that presented as proof of bigfoot or space aliens. None are convincing, except to those who wish it to be true.

Those who insist that the miraculous is upon us do a great disservice to Jesus's call for faith apart from sight. Pentecostals and charismatics are but making bogus claims of the supernatural instead of what Jesus really taught. Faith, not faith by miracles but faith without. It is long time for them to admit their emperor is naked.

We all know the scriptures I am speaking of:

Hebrews 11:1, Romans 1:17, & 8:24, 2nd Corinthians 4:18 & 5:7

We should not fear this lack of the miraculous but rejoice in the blessings of our faith being strong without it.
(John 20:24-29)

Unless of course your faith is based on these claims of the miraculous being true.

In Him we live and move and have our being. He holds all things together by the word of His power. He fashioned me in my mother's womb and continues to do so with every newborn in their mother's womb. He draws people to Himself by the work of His Spirit. He cleanses from sin, heals broken hearts, forgives, restores relationships, encourages, guides, steers away from error, reveals truth, protects from harm, etc. etc. etc.

Nope, I guess you're right, no miracles happening today.

By the way, Jesus does not call us to have faith apart from sight. Our faith is the certainty of things not seen, but that doesn't mean there is no evidence to support the faith. Instead, there is plenty of evidence for us to believe in Jesus, Who He is and what He has done. On that evidence we can have the certainty in those things which we cannot presently see.

 

[DJ2]

I have witnessed and been a witness of too much for me to consider this tripe.

Faith without sight is most certainly not tripe. It is the foundation of the gospel of Jesus Christ.

Accepting something that you admit to witnessing many times is not belief but acknowledgement. Faith is the assurance of what is "not" seen. Whatever you "witnessed", whether real or not is the basis of your hope. Since you witnessed these things and call my words tripe I do hope for your sake they were of God. If you are like most who claim to witness physical supernatural events, you base it on your own understanding of whatever it was.

I would like you to consider this, if the miraculous is truly upon us why is it so debateable? Truly the miraculous cannot be so uncertain that it can be denied. You have personally witnessed the miraculous but do not speak boldly of what you saw?

You claim to be a witness to the physical supernatural workings of the Holy Spirit yet do not speak of it? But instead offer sixteen words calling faith without sight tripe?

By default you can never receive the blessings of John 20:24-29.

 

[breno785au]

Faith without sight is most certainly not tripe. It is the foundation of the gospel of Jesus Christ.

Accepting something that you admit to witnessing many times is not belief but acknowledgement. Faith is the assurance of what is "not" seen. Whatever you "witnessed", whether real or not is the basis of your hope. Since you witnessed these things and call my words tripe I do hope for your sake they were of God. If you are like most who claim to witness physical supernatural events, you base it on your own understanding of whatever it was.

I would like you to consider this, if the miraculous is truly upon us why is it so debateable? Truly the miraculous cannot be so uncertain that it can be denied. You have personally witnessed the miraculous but do not speak boldly of what you saw?

You claim to be a witness to the physical supernatural workings of the Holy Spirit yet do not speak of it? But instead offer sixteen words calling faith without sight tripe?

By default you can never receive the blessings of John 20:24-29.

There's no point discussing this with you because even in your original post you have declared, no banter, no appeal, no evidence as proof would be considered. You have closed your mind and reduced the abilities of the Holy Spirit to an "I can't" or "I won't".
No where have I said my hope and faith is in miracles, that is your supposition. How do you know I have not boldly spoke of what I saw?
And no man declares to me what blessings I do or not receive.

Good day.

 

[DJ2]

In Him we live and move and have our being. He holds all things together by the word of His power. He fashioned me in my mother's womb and continues to do so with every newborn in their mother's womb. He draws people to Himself by the work of His Spirit. He cleanses from sin, heals broken hearts, forgives, restores relationships, encourages, guides, steers away from error, reveals truth, protects from harm, etc. etc. etc.

Nope, I guess you're right, no miracles happening today.

By the way, Jesus does not call us to have faith apart from sight. Our faith is the certainty of things not seen, but that doesn't mean there is no evidence to support the faith. Instead, there is plenty of evidence for us to believe in Jesus, Who He is and what He has done. On that evidence we can have the certainty in those things which we cannot presently see.

Are you attempting to redefine the meaning of the word "miraculous" or do you not understand its definition? What evidence are you pointing to in regards to your examples? Your examples are not even supernatural. Look up the word "miraculous", does your examples match up to the miraculous acts of Jesus and the Apostles?

Dino246 states, "Jesus does not call us to have faith apart from sight". post #13

Paul states, "We live by faith, not by sight". 2 Corinthians 5:7

Jesus states, "blessed are those who believe but have not seen" John 20:29

There is most certainly historical evidence to support our faith. But ultimately we are commanded to believe what some deny exist and others mock. An invisible God, concealed from human sight

Your examples do not prove He exist.

 

[OneFaith]

Miracles have ceased, but there is still power in the prayer of the righteous. You won't see anyone walking on water, multiplying bread, making the blind instantly see, or a man suddenly appearing in a locked room, but I prayed God would help me quit smoking, and He did.

 

[Dino246]

Are you attempting to redefine the meaning of the word "miraculous" or do you not understand its definition?

Since when is your narrow definition of "miraculous" the one that I must accept?

What evidence are you pointing to in regards to your examples? Your examples are not even supernatural.

I didn't point to any particular evidence. I merely stated what actually happens, and quoted Scripture which references things which I consider miraculous.

Look up the word "miraculous", does your examples match up to the miraculous acts of Jesus and the Apostles?

I stated some things which Jesus does today. I made no attempt to reference the narrowly-selected set of acts to which you refer.

Dino246 states, "Jesus does not call us to have faith apart from sight". post #13

Paul states, "We live by faith, not by sight". 2 Corinthians 5:7

Jesus states, "blessed are those who believe but have not seen" John 20:29

There is most certainly historical evidence to support our faith. But ultimately we are commanded to believe what some deny exist and others mock. An invisible God, concealed from human sight

You're misunderstanding me. Jesus has given us abundant evidence ("visible") on which to base our faith. We don't live by sight, but by faith, as Paul wrote. However, it is not blind faith! Jesus made the statement, "Blessed are those who believe but have not seen" to Thomas, who did see the physical evidence of Jesus' death and resurrection. We don't see that, but believe anyway on the basis of other evidence.

Your examples do not prove He exist.

I made no attempt to prove "He exist" (sic).

Overall I find your response unnecessarily antagonistic and your definitions overly narrow. You're welcome to your cessationist views; I disagree with you on that, but then, I see the miraculous in everyday life. Apparently you don't. May I suggest you read Walking with God by John Eldredge. You might find your faith being enlarged.

 

[BenFTW]

The answer to this question will be dependent upon each of us individually. I might reword this question to ask, "Do you live in an age of the miraculous?" I say this because what we believe, our faith, and our actions will determine the answer. You see, the skeptic and doubtful who don't step out to lay hands on the man in the wheelchair or the blind woman standing before them, profess that this age is not miraculous, and they are correct in so far as their experience is concerned. They do not believe it is for today, and what does their faith give them? Exactly as they believe, nothing!

Now, go to the bold. The courageous, those willing to go beyond their comfort zones. The Lord speaks and they do! What do they see? The love of God manifest, the love of God piercing the hearts of men and women in miraculous ways. The Creator of all that is willing to take a moment to look upon His creation, and give them an embrace. These people, have faith. They believe that God is the same yesterday, today, and forever. For this reason their answer to this question will be a resounding yes. Their faith has done it unto them. More importantly, their faith has done it unto another as the centurion had faith for another.

Do we live in an age of the miraculous? Yes, if you will only believe.

 

[Issachar92]

This is the second thread you have made on this topic just to try to prove God don't work miracles no more.
Ever heard of Israel? You know that little piece of land in the middle-east that got attacked by 5 bigger armies and defeated them in six days? Thats a miracle right there. The fact that the Jewish people exist today is a miracle, where are all the canaanites, edomites and hittites at?

What about the people who have been healed of asthma? Deafness? Spinal damage? What about the people who have been poisoned and it didn't affect them, but affected others who consumed the same water? There are many miracles out there, not all of them are genuine, some of them are, but to deny God working miracles is just silly.

Btw: Usually these guys who deny the power of God are minions of MacArthur.