Death penalty

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Jesus4ever

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Hello, dear brethren!

Recently, in a conversation, death penalty was debated (whether it should exist or not). The only reason in debate was whether a murderer should be put to death or not.

We have, in the Old Testament, that murder, (Genesis 9:6; Exodus 21:12), kidnapping (Exodus 21:16), bestiality (Exodus 22:19), adultery (Leviticus 20:10), homosexuality (Leviticus 20:13), being a false prophet (Deuteronomy 13:5), prostitution and rape (Deuteronomy 22:24), etc, were reasons to apply death penalty.

God also showed mercy, often.

Roman 13, also points to death penalty, although does not specifies the crimes that justify it.


My question is this: wasn´t the Mosaic Law legislation to the nation of Israel only? Or is all the above justification for our authorities to apply death penalty? If so, the only reason for death penalty by the authorities, nowadays, would be murder, right?


Blessings!
 
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dcontroversal

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I have no problem with the death penalty for murderers and those who abuse and rape little children......
 
Huckleberry

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dcontroversal said:
I have no problem with the death penalty for murderers and those who abuse and rape little children......
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Ditto on that, and I'd include all rapists.
People are always using the "if-a-woman-is-raped" argument to
justify abortion, but I say abort the rapist and spare the baby.
 
Johnny_B

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Jesus4ever said:
My question is this: wasn´t the Mosaic Law legislation to the nation of Israel only? Or is all the above justification for our authorities to apply death penalty? If so, the only reason for death penalty by the authorities, nowadays, would be murder, right?


Blessings!
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"Now we know that whatever the law says, it says to those who are under the law, that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God. 20 Therefore by the deeds of the law no flesh will be justified in His sight, for by the law is the knowledge of sin." Romans 3:19-20

The law is for the world to be judged by, it's God's standard. As far as government they can make the death penalty for the same reasons as the Mosaic Law.
 
blue_ladybug

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Line up the firing squad, and plug in Ole Sparky..

IMO, rapists, murderers and child molestors deserve to die..
 
WineRose

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I don't agree with the death penalty, in most cases.

But that's only because prison for life can be much, much worse than death.
 
jenniferand2

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Jesus4ever said:
Hello, dear brethren!

Recently, in a conversation, death penalty was debated (whether it should exist or not). The only reason in debate was whether a murderer should be put to death or not.

We have, in the Old Testament, that murder, (Genesis 9:6; Exodus 21:12), kidnapping (Exodus 21:16), bestiality (Exodus 22:19), adultery (Leviticus 20:10), homosexuality (Leviticus 20:13), being a false prophet (Deuteronomy 13:5), prostitution and rape (Deuteronomy 22:24), etc, were reasons to apply death penalty.

God also showed mercy, often.

Roman 13, also points to death penalty, although does not specifies the crimes that justify it.


My question is this: wasn´t the Mosaic Law legislation to the nation of Israel only? Or is all the above justification for our authorities to apply death penalty? If so, the only reason for death penalty by the authorities, nowadays, would be murder, right?


Blessings!
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The first stoning of a people to death happened with Moses punishing to people by stoning for the murder of the lady's husband. He said an eye for an eye. So yes we may not like the death penalty but if God allowed Moses to persecute the wife and liver of the dead guy for murder then in God's eyes murders need to pay.
 
Zen

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dcontroversal said:
I have no problem with the death penalty for murderers and those who abuse and rape little children......
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Why?

Matthew 15:4
For God commanded, saying, Honour thy father and mother: and, He that curseth father or mother, let him die the death.

It seems like picking and choosing.
 
Jesus4ever

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Thank you for your answers, brethren.


I´m not clarified about this subject. Genesis 9:6 precedes the Mosaic Law. So, if we consider that Mosaic Law was for the Nation of Israel only, can´t we assume that murder (Genesis 9:6) is the only reason for death penalty?

Is bestiality, homosexuality, adultery, kidnapping, prostitution, etc, reason for our authorities to apply death penalty?
 
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jenniferand2

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Yes I believe the Government goes by the mosaic law. Other wise there would be a lot of death. There would be very few people left on earth of everyone who adultery or stole something etc. Were killed.
 
dcontroversal

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Zen said:
Why?

Matthew 15:4
For God commanded, saying, Honour thy father and mother: and, He that curseth father or mother, let him die the death.

It seems like picking and choosing.
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More like, it seems like you are confused......
 
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dalconn

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many theologians say that the reason God allows the death penalty is because its a direct attack on God himself. man was made in Gods image and likeness so to destroy another human being is the ultimate act of rebellion. another reason for the death penalty is because restitution cant be made for taking another life as it can be for other offenses.
 
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dcontroversal said:
I have no problem with the death penalty for murderers and those who abuse and rape little children......
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Well said, and I am in full agreement with you. How many child molesting murderers have been paroled only to kill another child within months of their release?
 
OneFaith

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Jesus4ever said:
Hello, dear brethren!

Recently, in a conversation, death penalty was debated (whether it should exist or not). The only reason in debate was whether a murderer should be put to death or not.

We have, in the Old Testament, that murder, (Genesis 9:6; Exodus 21:12), kidnapping (Exodus 21:16), bestiality (Exodus 22:19), adultery (Leviticus 20:10), homosexuality (Leviticus 20:13), being a false prophet (Deuteronomy 13:5), prostitution and rape (Deuteronomy 22:24), etc, were reasons to apply death penalty.

God also showed mercy, often.

Roman 13, also points to death penalty, although does not specifies the crimes that justify it.


My question is this: wasn´t the Mosaic Law legislation to the nation of Israel only? Or is all the above justification for our authorities to apply death penalty? If so, the only reason for death penalty by the authorities, nowadays, would be murder, right?


Blessings!
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There is a difference between killing and murdering. David "killed his tens of thousands" (which represent convincing others to die to self and live for God in New Testament times). The difference is this: taking human life of your own freewill decision is murder, but taking life with God's permission is killing.

God appointed police, judges, and armies, and even doctors in some cases, to take human life as working on His behalf. This is why even in the New Testament He warns "They don't carry the sword (or gun) for nothing." We are to obey the laws of the land in which we live unless those laws go against God's laws- such as in the case of abortion.

God practiced the death penalty in the Old Testament, and ordered certain humans to carry out the task on His behalf. And in the New Testament He clearly gives police permission to use their guns. He's the one who started the judicial system with Moses- which included death in some cases.

So, I believe the death penalty for murders is 'God-legal.' But I personally think that it should not be carried out for someone who only committed one murder. Because falsely accused prisoners do exist, it could have been self-defense, they could be mentally sick beyond their possible self-control,etc. And I know there are laws in place for such, but committing more than one murder takes away any doubt in my mind.





And just to clarify, I believe a doctor can like deny a dying patient a heart transplant if they would die soon after anyways. Obviously it's their time according to God. But Jack Kavorcian was a murderer. He helped his patient commit suicide- that is taking human life of your own decision, not God's decision.
 
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dcontroversal said:
I have no problem with the death penalty for murderers and those who abuse and rape little children......
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As long as there is accual proof that they did it. There has to be real physical proof. Not just word of mouth. There have been some who was put to death then afterwards they find the person was innocent. There has to be NO doubt!
 
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OneFaith said:
There is a difference between killing and murdering. David "killed his tens of thousands" (which represent convincing others to die to self and live for God in New Testament times). The difference is this: taking human life of your own freewill decision is murder, but taking life with God's permission is killing.

God appointed police, judges, and armies, and even doctors in some cases, to take human life as working on His behalf. This is why even in the New Testament He warns "They don't carry the sword (or gun) for nothing." We are to obey the laws of the land in which we live unless those laws go against God's laws- such as in the case of abortion.

God practiced the death penalty in the Old Testament, and ordered certain humans to carry out the task on His behalf. And in the New Testament He clearly gives police permission to use their guns. He's the one who started the judicial system with Moses- which included death in some cases.

So, I believe the death penalty for murders is 'God-legal.' But I personally think that it should not be carried out for someone who only committed one murder. Because falsely accused prisoners do exist, it could have been self-defense, they could be mentally sick beyond their possible self-control,etc. And I know there are laws in place for such, but committing more than one murder takes away any doubt in my mind.





And just to clarify, I believe a doctor can like deny a dying patient a heart transplant if they would die soon after anyways. Obviously it's their time according to God. But Jack Kavorcian was a murderer. He helped his patient commit suicide- that is taking human life of your own decision, not God's decision.
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So you don't think there could be some with athority who will use it for their own personal perpuse?

Also, if someone really wants to commit suicide they will do it with or without help.
 
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I don't believe criminals can really change. Murderers, rapists and abusers in general should not be turned loose no matter what. In fact, they should swing quickly if proven guilty beyond any reasonable doubt. Back on the streets they will be repeating their behavior over and over again.
 
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WingsOfFidelity said:
As long as there is accual proof that they did it. There has to be real physical proof. Not just word of mouth. There have been some who was put to death then afterwards they find the person was innocent. There has to be NO doubt!
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I agree with that. I said reasonable doubt, but when it comes to the death penalty there really should be no doubt.
 
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