Is tithing our 10%of income part of being a Christian?

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#41
Tithing is action based on understanding of WHO our Provider is. He gives us 100% of all that we need, of all that He is. He asks only 10% back as an act of gratitude and obedience. When we obey, WE then allow HIM to INCREASE the width, depth, breadth and height of His 100% to us.

Tithing with a joyful heart, with a grateful heart, allows Him to bless us more.
Maggie
Wrong,wrong wrong
 
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charisenexcelcis

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#42
Regarding God not needing money, you are right. But He gives us the priviledge of participating in His ministry on earth. Also, the Bible makes it clear that money easily becomes a god in our lives, so our finances should be in submission to Him.
Regarding tithing, while I believe that we are not under the law, the law teaches us and brings to life the law that is not written in stone, but on our hearts. The principle of the tithe was that in your giving you must reflect the truth that your increase, your income, is ultimately from God. This means that you should have a plan to give. For most Americans, ten per cent is probably about right. For some it may be less, for others more. i personally think that the rich man ought to plan to give more in order to not make money his god.
Regarding being conned, those that fall prey to "ministries" who exist for the enriching of a few, perhaps. but it is what is on your heart that makes an offering holy. Great judgement will fall upon those who would use the name of the Lord to serve mammon, but may of those who give are still doing something holy to the Lord.
 
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#43
The principle of the tithe was that in your giving you must reflect the truth that your increase, your income, is ultimately from God. This means that you should have a plan to give.
Have you opened your Bible to study this topic, or are you going by what your pastor has said?

First, The Lord's Tithe was a PAYMENT, not a gift. It had NOTHING to do with giving. It had NOTHING to do with "your increase or your income."

I will say it again for those who ignore what The Word says. GOD DEFINED HIS TITHE AS COMING FROM HIS INCREASE, NOT MAN'S INCREASE, NOT MAN'S INCOME. That is why it is HOLY. IT CAME FROM THE MIRACULOUS INCREASE FROM GOD.

You, like so many others, are following man, NOT GOD.

The New Testament teaches generous, sacrificial giving, from the heart, according to your means. When you follow "the spirit of the law," you are ignoring The Holy Spirit. Christians are to follow the guidance of The Holy Spirit, NOT the spirit of the law.

This blog easily shows how gullible church goers can be. You believe whatever you are taught. You don't check it out for yourself. This is really sad. The Bible has MUCH to say about pastors, and it isn't good.

If you want to ignore God's own definition of His tithe, and if you want to ignore God's instructions for His tithe, so be it. If you want to use Old Testament law as your guideline for giving instead of using The Holy Spirit, so be it. BUT IF I CAN JUST GET A FEW OF MY GOOD BROTHERS AND SISTERS IN CHRIST TO OPEN THEIR BIBLE AND STUDY THIS TOPIC, THEY WILL SEE THAT THEIR PASTOR IS EITHER IGNORANT OR A LIAR IF THEY TEACH TITHING. I know, because my ministry is teaching pastors, and I have seen both the ignorant and the liar. It is sad when pastors ADMIT that they lie in order to bring in more money, and then justify it because they are bringing people to The Lord.

All I can do is teach God's message and pray that some of you will actually study the Bible for a change. This is God's problem. I am only the messenger. But God warns of false teachers, and many of you have missed the warning signs.
 
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charisenexcelcis

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#44
Have you opened your Bible to study this topic, or are you going by what your pastor has said?
Do you take your tithe to the temple and feast upon it there?

First, The Lord's Tithe was a PAYMENT, not a gift. It had NOTHING to do with giving. It had NOTHING to do with "your increase or your income."


I will say it again for those who ignore what The Word says. GOD DEFINED HIS TITHE AS COMING FROM HIS INCREASE, NOT MAN'S INCREASE, NOT MAN'S INCOME. That is why it is HOLY. IT CAME FROM THE MIRACULOUS INCREASE FROM GOD.
Do you deny that my income is from God? Are you using semantics to bring condemnation?

You, like so many others, are following man, NOT GOD.

The New Testament teaches generous, sacrificial giving, from the heart, according to your means. When you follow "the spirit of the law," you are ignoring The Holy Spirit. Christians are to follow the guidance of The Holy Spirit, NOT the spirit of the law.
The New Testament speaks of a different kind of law, one that is written upon our hearts, or are you unaware of that? Not once in all of the Book of Acts, does it speak of the bringing of tithes into the church. Jews continued to bring their tithes into the Temple. If you wish to follow the Old Testament law, then you would do so...

This blog easily shows how gullible church goers can be. You believe whatever you are taught. You don't check it out for yourself. This is really sad. The Bible has MUCH to say about pastors, and it isn't good.
Your post shows how clueless one can become without good Biblical teaching. The Bible has very bad things to say about those who would put Gentiles under the regulation of Jewish law.

If you want to ignore God's own definition of His tithe, and if you want to ignore God's instructions for His tithe, so be it. If you want to use Old Testament law as your guideline for giving instead of using The Holy Spirit, so be it. BUT IF I CAN JUST GET A FEW OF MY GOOD BROTHERS AND SISTERS IN CHRIST TO OPEN THEIR BIBLE AND STUDY THIS TOPIC, THEY WILL SEE THAT THEIR PASTOR IS EITHER IGNORANT OR A LIAR IF THEY TEACH TITHING. I know, because my ministry is teaching pastors, and I have seen both the ignorant and the liar. It is sad when pastors ADMIT that they lie in order to bring in more money, and then justify it because they are bringing people to The Lord.
"they cross the sea to make a convert, only to turn them into twice the son of the devil that they are..."

All I can do is teach God's message and pray that some of you will actually study the Bible for a change. This is God's problem. I am only the messenger. But God warns of false teachers, and many of you have missed the warning signs.
So, who do you take your tithe to? Do you tithe on you spices only to forget the greater things of the law?
 
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#45
I DON'T TITHE. It is impossible to tithe today (The Lord's Tithe).

I am a generous giver, a sacrificial giver. I give from my heart, according to my means.

We shouldn't call our giving a tithe because that infers that it is the Lord's Tithe and it isn't. We should call it what it is - GIVING.

Everything belongs to God. But The Word DISTINGUISHES what comes from OUR LABOR, and what come from GOD'S LABOR. God made us, but when God made us, He gave us ABILITIES.

Deuteronomy 8:18 (NIV) - But remember the LORD your God, for it is he who gives you the ability to produce wealth, and so confirms his covenant, which he swore to your forefathers, as it is today.

God gives us the power, or ability, to get or produce wealth. In other words, God gives us the ability to work and earn a living. God gives us the ability to work - to labor. When we work, it is our labor doing the work, not God's labor. He gave us the ability to do the work ourselves.

The tithe came from GOD'S LABOR, not man's labor.

Matthew 6:24 (NIV) - “No one can serve two masters. Either he will hate the one and love the other, or he will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve both God and Money.

1 Timothy 6:10 (NIV) - For the love of money is a root of all kinds of evil. Some people, eager for money, have wandered from the faith and pierced themselves with many griefs.

Many pastors who teach tithing are making their master MONEY. That shows by how much time they spend talking about tithing, and accusing people of robbing God. These pastors LOVE the tithe.

Those who want to give ten percent of their income to the church, and do it from the heart, are doing a good thing. Calling it tithing, which infers The Lord's Tithe, is a bad thing.

Christians should be taught correctly.
 
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charisenexcelcis

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#46
I DON'T TITHE. It is impossible to tithe today (The Lord's Tithe).

I am a generous giver, a sacrificial giver. I give from my heart, according to my means.

We shouldn't call our giving a tithe because that infers that it is the Lord's Tithe and it isn't. We should call it what it is - GIVING.

Everything belongs to God. But The Word DISTINGUISHES what comes from OUR LABOR, and what come from GOD'S LABOR. God made us, but when God made us, He gave us ABILITIES.

Deuteronomy 8:18 (NIV) - But remember the LORD your God, for it is he who gives you the ability to produce wealth, and so confirms his covenant, which he swore to your forefathers, as it is today.

God gives us the power, or ability, to get or produce wealth. In other words, God gives us the ability to work and earn a living. God gives us the ability to work - to labor. When we work, it is our labor doing the work, not God's labor. He gave us the ability to do the work ourselves.

The tithe came from GOD'S LABOR, not man's labor.

Matthew 6:24 (NIV) - “No one can serve two masters. Either he will hate the one and love the other, or he will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve both God and Money.

1 Timothy 6:10 (NIV) - For the love of money is a root of all kinds of evil. Some people, eager for money, have wandered from the faith and pierced themselves with many griefs.

Many pastors who teach tithing are making their master MONEY. That shows by how much time they spend talking about tithing, and accusing people of robbing God. These pastors LOVE the tithe.

Those who want to give ten percent of their income to the church, and do it from the heart, are doing a good thing. Calling it tithing, which infers The Lord's Tithe, is a bad thing.

Christians should be taught correctly.
You strain out gnats and swallow camels.
 
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#47
You strain out gnats and swallow camels.
I follow The Word of God, NOT the word of man. Simple as that.

Matthew 5:18 tells you that if you change even one dot or one tittle and teach it to man, you will be the least in the Kingdom of Heaven.

In Malachi 3:5 God threatened to come near you for judgment for those who defraud laborers of their wages.

I teach what God tells me to teach. If you wish to criticize those who follow and teach God's Word accurately, so be it. That is between you and God. I teach God's Word. I don't tamper with it, add to it, subtract from it, or change it. God gave His Word for us to follow, not tamper with. If pastors can't teach The Word accurately, they need to find another profession.
 
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charisenexcelcis

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#48
I follow The Word of God, NOT the word of man. Simple as that.

Matthew 5:18 tells you that if you change even one dot or one tittle and teach it to man, you will be the least in the Kingdom of Heaven.


In Malachi 3:5 God threatened to come near you for judgment for those who defraud laborers of their wages.

I teach what God tells me to teach. If you wish to criticize those who follow and teach God's Word accurately, so be it. That is between you and God. I teach God's Word. I don't tamper with it, add to it, subtract from it, or change it. God gave His Word for us to follow, not tamper with. If pastors can't teach The Word accurately, they need to find another profession.
You are the accuser. You accuse "churchgoers" of naivete and ignorance. You accuse pastors of greed and avarice. You accuse me of having an un-informed view of givng.
I said that the OT tithe teaches us about recognizing God as the source of all that sustains us. Do you disagree?
I said that God does not need money, but that giving is a priviledge. Do you disagree?
I said that those so-called "ministers" who care only for money are going to have to answer to God. Do you disagree?
You claim to be a teacher of the Word, yet you do not recognize scripture unless it is followed by chapter and verse. You ignore the scriptures that do not fit easily into your view, and accuse all who disagree with you of being against God.
You are trying to take the freedom that is available through faith in Christ and shooting it full of fear, turning it into a means of condemnation rather than redemption.
 
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TithingToday

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#49
I said that the OT tithe teaches us about recognizing God as the source of all that sustains us. Do you disagree?
Yes, I disagree. The Old Testament tithe ONLY affected the 12 tribes of Israel - 11 inherited the land, and those 11 were commanded to tithe to the 12th tribe (the tribe of Levi) as their inheritance. It has NOTHING to do about recognizing God as the source of all that sustains us. IT WAS A TAX.

Everything comes from God one way or another. The tithe was NOT a teacher of anything.
 
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#50
Yes, I disagree. The Old Testament tithe ONLY affected the 12 tribes of Israel - 11 inherited the land, and those 11 were commanded to tithe to the 12th tribe (the tribe of Levi) as their inheritance. It has NOTHING to do about recognizing God as the source of all that sustains us. IT WAS A TAX.

Everything comes from God one way or another. The tithe was NOT a teacher of anything.
"All scripture is inspired of God and is profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for training in righteousness; that the man of God may be adequate, equipped for every good work."
So, the tithe taught nothing?
The very thing that has hung you up, that it is His increase, is the very thing you don't understand. If I work the field and it is His increase, that teaches me that my sustanance comes from His hand. And if the Jews were to recognize that by returning a portion to His purpose, then is not it honorable for me to do the same, not as a matter of regulation, but as a matter of principle?
 
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#52
And if the Jews were to recognize that by returning a portion to His purpose, then is not it honorable for me to do the same, not as a matter of regulation, but as a matter of principle?
Is that what you return to Him, something that came from God's hand? OR, do you give to Him something that came from man's hand?

You still don't understand it.
 
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charisenexcelcis

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#53
Is that what you return to Him, something that came from God's hand? OR, do you give to Him something that came from man's hand?

You still don't understand it.
Everything comes from God's hand. I worship Him, as one modern psalmist points out, with breathe that is borrowed from Him. If I plant a seed, it is one which He created and it will grow, not by my will, but by His. Do you understand? Do you disagree?
 
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#54
I quote AGAIN:

GOD GIVES US THE ABILITY TO WORK

Deuteronomy 8:18 (NIV) - But remember the LORD your God, for it is he who gives you the ability to produce wealth, and so confirms his covenant, which he swore to your forefathers, as it is today.

God gives us the power, or ability, to get or produce wealth. In other words, God gives us the ability to work and earn a living. God gives us the ability to work - to labor. When we work, it is our labor doing the work, not God's labor. He gave us the ability to do the work ourselves.

Theologians agree that the tithe came from "God's hand" not "man's hand."

When I work, I provide the labor, NOT God. God told us so in Deuteronomy 8:18 which you choose to ignore.
 
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#55
I said all I have to say on this topic (more than once). To close...

All of the following well-known scholars agree that tithing ENDED AT THE CROSS, and that there is NO tithing in the Christian Church. Not as a legal tithe. Not as a minimum for giving. Just plain NO TITHING in the church today.

Scholars at the Southeastern Baptist Theological Seminary who published their report on tithing in 2005, John MacArthur, Chuck Swindoll, J. Vernon McGee, Robert Baker (chief SBC historian), Dr. David Croteau and Dr. Russell Kelly (both of whom wrote their thesis on tithing to get their Ph.D.), Phillip Schaff (historian), Alfred Edersheim, James W. Winfree Ministries, C. I. Scofield, Craig Blomberg (Denver Seminary), Geoffrey W. Bromiley (Fuller Theological Seminary), Charles Ryrie (Dallas Theological Seminary), Walter A. Elwell (Wheaton College), Theodore H. Epp (founder Back to the Bible), Gary Friesen (former Dean of Multinomah College), Scholars at the Dallas Theological Seminary, Dalls Theological Seminary, Talbot Bible College, and the list goes on and on.
 
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charisenexcelcis

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#56
I quote AGAIN:

GOD GIVES US THE ABILITY TO WORK

Deuteronomy 8:18 (NIV) - But remember the LORD your God, for it is he who gives you the ability to produce wealth, and so confirms his covenant, which he swore to your forefathers, as it is today.

God gives us the power, or ability, to get or produce wealth. In other words, God gives us the ability to work and earn a living. God gives us the ability to work - to labor. When we work, it is our labor doing the work, not God's labor. He gave us the ability to do the work ourselves.

Theologians agree that the tithe came from "God's hand" not "man's hand."

When I work, I provide the labor, NOT God. God told us so in Deuteronomy 8:18 which you choose to ignore.
If God has given you the ability than all you produce is from His hand. You earn by His grace. Look at the original scripture. Your appeal to the "theologians" is humorous concerning your attitude about "pastors."
 
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Consumed

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#57
I said all I have to say on this topic (more than once). To close...

All of the following well-known scholars agree that tithing ENDED AT THE CROSS, and that there is NO tithing in the Christian Church. Not as a legal tithe. Not as a minimum for giving. Just plain NO TITHING in the church today.

Scholars at the Southeastern Baptist Theological Seminary who published their report on tithing in 2005, John MacArthur, Chuck Swindoll, J. Vernon McGee, Robert Baker (chief SBC historian), Dr. David Croteau and Dr. Russell Kelly (both of whom wrote their thesis on tithing to get their Ph.D.), Phillip Schaff (historian), Alfred Edersheim, James W. Winfree Ministries, C. I. Scofield, Craig Blomberg (Denver Seminary), Geoffrey W. Bromiley (Fuller Theological Seminary), Charles Ryrie (Dallas Theological Seminary), Walter A. Elwell (Wheaton College), Theodore H. Epp (founder Back to the Bible), Gary Friesen (former Dean of Multinomah College), Scholars at the Dallas Theological Seminary, Dalls Theological Seminary, Talbot Bible College, and the list goes on and on.

and the pharasies and scribes and lawyers had all the answers too lol
its all about JESUS
 
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charisenexcelcis

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#58
I said all I have to say on this topic (more than once). To close...

All of the following well-known scholars agree that tithing ENDED AT THE CROSS, and that there is NO tithing in the Christian Church. Not as a legal tithe. Not as a minimum for giving. Just plain NO TITHING in the church today.

Scholars at the Southeastern Baptist Theological Seminary who published their report on tithing in 2005, John MacArthur, Chuck Swindoll, J. Vernon McGee, Robert Baker (chief SBC historian), Dr. David Croteau and Dr. Russell Kelly (both of whom wrote their thesis on tithing to get their Ph.D.), Phillip Schaff (historian), Alfred Edersheim, James W. Winfree Ministries, C. I. Scofield, Craig Blomberg (Denver Seminary), Geoffrey W. Bromiley (Fuller Theological Seminary), Charles Ryrie (Dallas Theological Seminary), Walter A. Elwell (Wheaton College), Theodore H. Epp (founder Back to the Bible), Gary Friesen (former Dean of Multinomah College), Scholars at the Dallas Theological Seminary, Dalls Theological Seminary, Talbot Bible College, and the list goes on and on.
And you obviously did not read what I said at the beginning. I do not hold to the OT tithe, but I believe I honor God when I return to Him a portion of what He has provided for me.
 
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giantone

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#59
Weather the tithe is in place or not, we who are blessed in the ways we are blessed should freely give, if we don't we stagnate in those arias, we won't grow. I believe in the tithe, it's one of the easiest things for me to do because I have enough money and I won't waste my time or God's money on a church that doesn't produce great things and i'm not talking about outwardly impressive movie presentation goosebumps experiences either, so God's tithe is making a great difference and that makes it very easy to give.
 
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HumbleSaint

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#60
Tithing is something that a Christian should be willing to do out of generosity. But don't base your salvation off of it because if your salvation is based on work, it is no longer grace.Romans 11:6