Is tithing our 10%of income part of being a Christian?

[VRJ]

First: the church is made up of believers. You cannot put a capital "C" to church anywhere in the bible. It is not a proper noun. It was made a govenment corporation with a 501(c)3 in 1964 so it became part of the beast then with a capitol "C". Israel is the only word you will see with the capital "I".
This incorporation then makes God to bow down to the government.

The bible says in Revelation 18:4; "Come out of her my people and be ye not partakers of her sins. She sinned when she incorporated. She's under judgement.

 

[PneumaPsucheSoma]

First: the church is made up of believers. You cannot put a capital "C" to church anywhere in the bible. It is not a proper noun. It was made a govenment corporation with a 501(c)3 in 1964 so it became part of the beast then with a capitol "C". Israel is the only word you will see with the capital "I".
This incorporation then makes God to bow down to the government.

The bible says in Revelation 18:4; "Come out of her my people and be ye not partakers of her sins. She sinned when she incorporated. She's under judgement.

This is absolutely true! And there's even much more to it.

Well said.

 

[Shaije]

The ONLY way to settle the issue of tithing is to study The Word and see, in history, when tithing began in the Christian Church.

Let's start with the history. NO CHURCH taught tithing on one's income until the second half of the 1800s, and even then, history shows the motivation was MONEY, not scripture.

Now, let's look at tithing in the Bible.

The first time tithe is mentioned in the Bible is Abraham's tithe of pagan spoils of war, and Abraham kept NOTHING for himself. This was NOT an act of worship. The goods that Abraham gave the tenth from didn’t even belong to Abraham:

Genesis 14:21 (NIV) - The king of Sodom said to Abram, “Give me the people and keep the goods for yourself.”

Notice in verse 21 the king of Sodom didn’t ask Abraham if he would give back to him the people, but rather said GIVE ME the people and keep the goods for yourself. The way that is worded indicates that the king of Sodom was claiming that the people and the goods belonged to him and those he represented.

Genesis 14:22-24 (NIV) - 22But Abram said to the king of Sodom, “I have raised my hand to the LORD, God Most High, Creator of heaven and earth, and have taken an oath 23that I will accept nothing belonging to you, not even a thread or the thong of a sandal, so that you will never be able to say, ‘I made Abram rich.’ 24I will accept nothing but what my men have eaten and the share that belongs to the men who went with me—to Aner, Eshcol and Mamre. Let them have their share.”


Notice in verses 23 and 24 Abraham also acknowledges that the goods belonged to the king of Sodom and those he represented.

Therefore, it is clear that both the king of Sodom and Abraham acknowledged that the spoils of war did NOT belong to Abraham, yet he gave a tenth of the spoils to King Melchizedek. This would seem that Abraham did something wrong, if not even illegal, but Biblical historians agree that it was custom in Abraham's day to give the king a tenth of the war spoils. Had Abraham not given the tenth, he would have gone against custom.

Conclusion: Abraham did NOT give a tenth of his income, or his wealth. Abraham gave a tenth of the spoils of war that didn’t belong to him. That is NOT an example for Christians to follow today.

The next mention of a tithe is Jacob's VOW to tithe. Jacob set the conditions, not God. Nowhere in The Word does it tell us that Jacob actually tithed. Genesis 28:10-22

Next is The Lord's Tithe. God gave His definition as a tenth of crops and animals which came from God's hand, not man's income. God NEVER commanded anyone to tithe on anything that man made or earned. Leviticus 27:30-33.

The ordinances (instructions, or laws) for The Lord's Tithe are in Numbers 18. God gave strict orders to take His tithe to the Levites. God NEVER changed that command. Anyone who takes God's tithe to anyone other than the Levites is being disobedient to God's Word.

There are others tithes in the Bible such as the Festival Tithe and the Tithe for the Poor. It is The Lord's Tithe that churches pattern their teaching after.

Church leaders ignore God's definition of His tithe, and ignore God's ordinances for His tithe. They change the words to fit their pocket book. This is nothing but manipulation of God's Word. They are false teachers.

The Bible CLEARLY SHOWS that the tithe ENDED at the cross in the Book of Hebrews. In the first nine verses of Hebrews 7 the words tenth or tithes appears SEVEN TIMES. The ONLY place in the Bible, after Calvary, that tithing appears is in Hebrews 7.

In Hebrews 7:5 we are told that Levi (the Levites) took the tithes under the law. In Hebrews 7:12 we are told that when the priesthood changes, the law will change. Hebrews 7:18 is telling us that Numbers 18 was disannulled. Numbers 18 established the Levitical priesthood, and part of that establishing included tithing. When the Levitical priesthood ended (at Calvary, or at least in the year 70AD when the temple was destroyed), all laws that established that priesthood were canceled. If Numbers 18 wasn't canceled, we would still be under the Levitical priesthood.

Those who argue they didn't have money or income then really need to study the scriptures. They had money and wages, even in Genesis. The farmers had income from barter exchanges, and they had markets to buy and sell as proven in Deuteronomy 14:24-26.

Those who argue Malachi 3:8, robbing God, need to start with verse 7. God is talking about His ordinances in Numbers 18 which we learned were disannulled according to Hebrews 7:18. Also, if you start with Malachi 1, you will see that God is speaking to the priests, not the people. The priests robbed God of the tithe (Nehemiah 13) and the priests robbed God of the offerings (Malachi 1).

We are to GIVE, not pay tithes, in the Christian Church. Generous, sacrificial GIVING.

AMEN!!! I could not have said it any better. Thank God, i have finally come across someone who "reads" their Bible. Again I say Amen. Also.... I Corinthians 16:2 On the first day of the week let each one of you lay "something" aside, storing up as he "may" prosper..................

 

[Shaije]

I'm saying that we that are Taught in the Church should give something to keep the Church alive!!

you know on a Sunday I leave my Home and go to Church, to hear the Word, I would give a littel of my weeks earnings to the church,

SO I CAN KEEP COMING BACK,AND THE LIGHTS WOULD BE ON

"In His Service" LOL

Nicely put. That is what it is all about, "Giving what you can."

 

[Mark51]

At no time were first-century Christians commanded to pay tithes. The primary purpose of the tithing arrangement under the Law had been to support Israel’s temple and priesthood; consequently the obligation to pay tithes would cease when that Mosaic Law covenant came to an end as fulfilled, through Christ’s death on the torture stake. (Ephesians 2:15; Colossians 2:13,　14) It is true that Levitical priests continued serving at the temple in Jerusalem until it was destroyed in 70　C.E., but Christians from and after 33　C.E. became part of a new spiritual priesthood that was not supported by tithes.-Romans 6:14; Hebrews 7:12; 1 Peter 2:9.

As Christians, they were encouraged to give support to the Christian ministry both by their own ministerial activity and by material contributions. Instead of giving fixed, specified amounts to defray congregational expenses, they were to contribute “according to what a person has,” giving “as he has resolved in his heart, not grudgingly or under compulsion, for God loves a cheerful giver.” (2 Corinthians 8:12; 9:7) The apostle Paul set an example in seeking to avoid bringing an undue financial burden on the congregation.-Acts 18:3; 1Thessalonians 2:9.

 

[A-Omega]

At no time were first-century Christians commanded to pay tithes. The primary purpose of the tithing arrangement under the Law had been to support Israel’s temple and priesthood; consequently the obligation to pay tithes would cease when that Mosaic Law covenant came to an end as fulfilled, through Christ’s death on the torture stake. (Ephesians 2:15; Colossians 2:13,　14) It is true that Levitical priests continued serving at the temple in Jerusalem until it was destroyed in 70　C.E., but Christians from and after 33　C.E. became part of a new spiritual priesthood that was not supported by tithes.-Romans 6:14; Hebrews 7:12; 1 Peter 2:9.

As Christians, they were encouraged to give support to the Christian ministry both by their own ministerial activity and by material contributions. Instead of giving fixed, specified amounts to defray congregational expenses, they were to contribute “according to what a person has,” giving “as he has resolved in his heart, not grudgingly or under compulsion, for God loves a cheerful giver.” (2 Corinthians 8:12; 9:7) The apostle Paul set an example in seeking to avoid bringing an undue financial burden on the congregation.-Acts 18:3; 1Thessalonians 2:9.

Right and the offerings for the Jerusalem church were really a special case as that church was going through hardship. But certainly Christians have no obligation to tithe whatsoever and are encouraged to cheerfully give as the Spirit leads and according to ability.

 

[lioncub]

Tithing is essential for a Christian ! Please don't make the fatal mistake that it is not !

Click on link below !

Tithes and Offerings

 

[Jon4TheCross]

Ok, I have to ask the following questions to anyone who thinks that a Christian should tithe to a Christian (Everlasting High Priesthood to Everlasting High Priesthood).

Only those who do not have access to the holy of holies (or only have access through the priesthood) are to tithe.

Does the definition of Christian include access to the holy of holies?


Heb 9:7 But into the second went the high priest alone once every year, not without blood, which he offered for himself, and for the errors of the people:
Heb 9:8 The Holy Ghost this signifying, that the way into the holiest of all was not yet made manifest, while as the first tabernacle was yet standing:
Heb 9:9 Which was a figure for the time then present, in which were offered both gifts and sacrifices, that could not make him that did the service perfect, as pertaining to the conscience;

Heb_7:12 For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.
Heb_7:14 For it is evident that our Lord sprang out of Juda; of which tribe Moses spake nothing concerning priesthood.
Heb_7:24 But this man, because he continueth ever, hath an unchangeable priesthood.
1Pe_2:5 Ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house, an holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ.
1Pe_2:9 But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light:

If you tithe and have access to the holy of holies, then you (ignorantly or not) confess that you are not of the everlasting priesthood, and do not even know your job (haven't counted the cost)



This replaced tithe for christians/secondary priesthood:
Act_2:44 And all that believed were together, and had all things common;
Act_4:32 And the multitude of them that believed were of one heart and of one soul: neither said any of them that ought of the things which he possessed was his own; but they had all things common.

 

[AgeofKnowledge]

I've found that it works out well for both myself and the church. Whether or not it is a Biblical mandate; however, is another matter of discussion.

 

[Jon4TheCross]

If a Christian tithes to a christian (keeps 90% from the rest) then they know nothing of what the Everlasting Priesthood is all about (not saying you're not going to heaven, just confused if you tithe as one with access to the holiest of all).

If anyone needs help understanding the priesthood, there's a thread called "All Things Common/Everlasting Priesthood and it goes into tithe as well.

 

[pagie]

Thank you Pagie,

now I will tell you all what the New Testament DOES say,

1 Cor 16:2Upon the first day of the week let every one of you lay by him in store,
as God hath prospered him, that there be no gatherings when I come.

So, for instance, if you earn $100 in a week you might set aside $1
$1000 -> $100
$10,000 --> $2000

Sorry for the verry late reply,
i don't believe this giving is a tithe because a tithe is a tenth percent.
so as it says in the word: let each decide in his heart what he will give.

 

[kedge]

let each decide in his heart what he will give.

I like what you said. Be no skinflint, a scrooge is, well, a scrooge, haha!

2 Corinthians 9:7
Each of you should give what you have decided in your heart to give, not reluctantly or under compulsion, for God loves a cheerful giver.

 

[john832]

God dont need it, Please read the scripture above, his storehouse needs it, so His Word can be Preached!!

you tithe where you are Taught!!!! Where you learn the Word,,

Hope this helps you
"In His Service"

No, He does not need our money, He does not need our tithe, WE NEED to tithe. It teaches US lessons. God owns all...

Hag 2:8 The silver is mine, and the gold is mine, saith the LORD of hosts.

Lev 25:23 The land shall not be sold for ever: for the land is mine; for ye are strangers and sojourners with me.

God needs nothing from us, we need to learn faith and trust in Him (as well as not setting our heart on material goods) and learn to be generous and giving. That is God's character and tithing helps us to learn His character.

 

[john832]

Sorry for the verry late reply,
i don't believe this giving is a tithe because a tithe is a tenth percent.
so as it says in the word: let each decide in his heart what he will give.

Deciding in your heart what you will give is not the tithe, it was related to something else entirely...

2Co 9:7 Every man according as he purposeth in his heart, so let him give; not grudgingly, or of necessity: for God loveth a cheerful giver.

Is referring back to what he wrote in I Cor 16...

1Co 16:1 Now concerning the collection for the saints, as I have given order to the churches of Galatia, even so do ye.
1Co 16:2 Upon the first day of the week let every one of you lay by him in store, as God hath prospered him, that there be no gatherings when I come.

We've been through this before but this is not about tithing but rather a special offering for starving saints in Jerusalem...

Act 11:27 And in these days came prophets from Jerusalem unto Antioch.
Act 11:28 And there stood up one of them named Agabus, and signified by the Spirit that there should be great dearth throughout all the world: which came to pass in the days of Claudius Caesar.
Act 11:29 Then the disciples, every man according to his ability, determined to send relief unto the brethren which dwelt in Judaea:
Act 11:30 Which also they did, and sent it to the elders by the hands of Barnabas and Saul.

It was Paul and Barnabas that were chosen to take the prepared foodstuffs to Judea...

1Co 16:3 And when I come, whomsoever ye shall approve by your letters, them will I send to bring your liberality unto Jerusalem.

There is quite a bit of info on this and rather than deal with it now, I have just posted the outline of what happened here.

 

[just-me]

Deuteronomy 14:22-29 (The Message)



22-26 Make an offering of ten percent, a tithe, of all the produce which grows in your fields year after year. Bring this into the Presence of God, your God, at the place he designates for worship and there eat the tithe from your grain, wine, and oil and the firstborn from your herds and flocks. In this way you will learn to live in deep reverence before God, your God, as long as you live. But if the place God, your God, designates for worship is too far away and you can't carry your tithe that far, God, your God, will still bless you: exchange your tithe for money and take the money to the place God, your God, has chosen to be worshiped. Use the money to buy anything you want: cattle, sheep, wine, or beer—anything that looks good to you. You and your family can then feast in the Presence of God, your God, and have a good time.
27 Meanwhile, don't forget to take good care of the Levites who live in your towns; they won't get any property or inheritance of their own as you will. 28-29 At the end of every third year, gather the tithe from all your produce of that year and put it aside in storage. Keep it in reserve for the Levite who won't get any property or inheritance as you will, and for the foreigner, the orphan, and the widow who live in your neighborhood. That way they'll have plenty to eat and God, your God, will bless you in all your work.

In my estimation, tithing was, and is the best way for a nation to conduct an economy with equity. It feeds the poor, and supports the governing people that contribute to every aspect of self governing according to the kingdom of God, Him being the King. It's a way of life on this earth that works. Money in the offering plate doesn't apply as far as I can see. It was, and should be (in our terminology a tax) no more than a tenth of the best that God has given us. A tenth was estimated according to the number of tribes in Israel.

 

[john832]

In my estimation, tithing was, and is the best way for a nation to conduct an economy with equity. It feeds the poor, and supports the governing people that contribute to every aspect of self governing according to the kingdom of God, Him being the King. It's a way of life on this earth that works. Money in the offering plate doesn't apply as far as I can see.

Tithing was designed and instituted by God, it works. How is taxation based on man's ideas working for the U.S. today?

 

[just-me]

Tithing was designed and instituted by God, it works. How is taxation based on man's ideas working for the U.S. today?

I used the term tax referring to it as a parallel as we know today. Our form of taxation doesn't work because it, in no way is handled according to God's equity. As the Bible says........

Surely your turning of things upside down shall be esteemed as the potter's clay: for shall the work say of him that made it, He made me not? or shall the thing framed say of him that framed it, He had no understanding? (Isaiah 29:16)

That's the way all of man's policies are, as it seems, and as it is according to scripture.

 

[Yet]

No it's not part of being a christian, its part of being lied to by wolves/hirelings! Arrogance and avarice. The two hallmarks of the clerical/Nicolaitan con job!

 

[jahsoul]

No, He does not need our money, He does not need our tithe, WE NEED to tithe. It teaches US lessons. God owns all...

Tithing doesn't teach us that. Tithing had specific purposes:

-Provide for the Levites who had no inheritance
-Eat your own "tithe" - something you will NEVER hear in a Church
-Feed the poor every 3 years

We know that God owns all but that was never a facet of the tithe. Truth be told, the tithe as we know it today was instituted by Charlemagne.

 

[john832]

Tithing doesn't teach us that. Tithing had specific purposes:

-Provide for the Levites who had no inheritance
-Eat your own "tithe" - something you will NEVER hear in a Church
-Feed the poor every 3 years

We know that God owns all but that was never a facet of the tithe. Truth be told, the tithe as we know it today was instituted by Charlemagne.

Uh, you apparently don't understand that scripture teaches three tithes.

1) First tithe goes to the work of God
2) Second tithe is kept by the individual and used to go to the Feasts
3) Third tithe is paid two years in seven and used to Pay for ministry, widows, orphans and invalid.

Seems you need to study up a bit so that you will at least have some ammo when you attack.