Is tithing our 10%of income part of being a Christian?

[NEVEAH]

Deuteronomy 14:22-29 (The Message)



22-26 Make an offering of ten percent, a tithe, of all the produce which grows in your fields year after year. Bring this into the Presence of God, your God, at the place he designates for worship and there eat the tithe from your grain, wine, and oil and the firstborn from your herds and flocks. In this way you will learn to live in deep reverence before God, your God, as long as you live. But if the place God, your God, designates for worship is too far away and you can't carry your tithe that far, God, your God, will still bless you: exchange your tithe for money and take the money to the place God, your God, has chosen to be worshiped. Use the money to buy anything you want: cattle, sheep, wine, or beer—anything that looks good to you. You and your family can then feast in the Presence of God, your God, and have a good time.
27 Meanwhile, don't forget to take good care of the Levites who live in your towns; they won't get any property or inheritance of their own as you will. 28-29 At the end of every third year, gather the tithe from all your produce of that year and put it aside in storage. Keep it in reserve for the Levite who won't get any property or inheritance as you will, and for the foreigner, the orphan, and the widow who live in your neighborhood. That way they'll have plenty to eat and God, your God, will bless you in all your work.

 

[MaggieMye]

Tithing is action based on understanding of WHO our Provider is. He gives us 100% of all that we need, of all that He is. He asks only 10% back as an act of gratitude and obedience. When we obey, WE then allow HIM to INCREASE the width, depth, breadth and height of His 100% to us.

Tithing with a joyful heart, with a grateful heart, allows Him to bless us more.
Maggie

 

[BestBeWishing]

Tithing is action based on understanding of WHO our Provider is. He gives us 100% of all that we need, of all that He is. He asks only 10% back as an act of gratitude and obedience. When we obey, WE then allow HIM to INCREASE the width, depth, breadth and height of His 100% to us.

Tithing with a joyful heart, with a grateful heart, allows Him to bless us more.
Maggie

The Payment of Tithes

6 For I am the Lord, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed.

7 Even from the days of your fathers ye are gone away from mine ordinances, and have not kept them. Return unto me, and I will return unto you, saith the Lord of hosts. But ye said, Wherein shall we return?

8 Will a man rob God? Yet ye have robbed me. But ye say, Wherein have we robbed thee? In tithes and offerings.

9 Ye are cursed with a curse: for ye have robbed me, even this whole nation.

10 Bring ye all the tithes into the storehouse, that there may be meat in mine house, and prove me now herewith, saith the Lord of hosts, if I will not open you the windows of heaven, and pour you out a blessing, that there shall not be room enough to receive it.

11 And I will rebuke the devourer for your sakes, and he shall not destroy [3] the fruits of your ground; neither shall your vine cast her fruit before the time in the field, saith the Lord of hosts.

12 And all nations shall call you blessed: for ye shall be a delightsome land, saith the Lord of hosts.

"God is saying" Bring ye all the tithes into the storehouse, ( this is where you are taught)
that there may be meat in mine house, So that his Word can be preached ( it take's money for land,lights,teading the lawn,the Preacher,and so on)

But if you dont have it, your on a fixed income, God dont want you to spend needed medication moneys on tithes, "What our Father wants is your Love" and Most important to stay in His Word!!!!

"In His Service"

 

[Canterbury]

God doesn't need your money. He is a deity.

 

[BestBeWishing]

God doesn't need your money. He is a deity.

God dont need it, Please read the scripture above, his storehouse needs it, so His Word can be Preached!!

you tithe where you are Taught!!!! Where you learn the Word,,

Hope this helps you
"In His Service"

 

[mpaper345]

We should give tithes of 10 percent.

Offering are according to what we want to give.

For people that think that tithes were passed away by the Church age,the Bible says that Jesus nailed the physical ordinances of Israel to His cross taking them out of the way,therefore let no man tell you to keep the sabbath days,or respect of a holy day,or of a new moon,or meats,or drinks.
It does not say let no man judge you of the tithes,which means that Jesus did not nail the tithes to His cross and take them out of the way.
Tithes is still in effect.

In the Old Testament Abraham gave a tenth to Melchizedek king of Salem and priest of the most high God,who has no beginning of days.

The New Testament says that Jesus is made after the order of Melchizedek forever.
If Abraham paid tithes to Melchizedek and Jesus is made after the order of Melchizedek forever,then we should pay tithes to Jesus.

For people that think that God does not need money because He is deity,the people of the world are not going to care.
The people of the world is not going to give the Christians a free building,pay for their utilities,and give them food and clothing.

God does not need money,but to further His will of helping people the Church needs money.
The Church needs money to pay for things and help the poor.
Too bad some preachers do not feed the flock and help people like they should.

The Bible says that preacher is not to be in the ministry for the money.
The preacher does not get blessed anymore than any other saint.
The preacher is supposed to go by his needs and that in moderation,and all the other money is to help people.

Matt

 

[TithingToday]

The ONLY way to settle the issue of tithing is to study The Word and see, in history, when tithing began in the Christian Church.

Let's start with the history. NO CHURCH taught tithing on one's income until the second half of the 1800s, and even then, history shows the motivation was MONEY, not scripture.

Now, let's look at tithing in the Bible.

The first time tithe is mentioned in the Bible is Abraham's tithe of pagan spoils of war, and Abraham kept NOTHING for himself. This was NOT an act of worship. The goods that Abraham gave the tenth from didn’t even belong to Abraham:

Genesis 14:21 (NIV) - The king of Sodom said to Abram, “Give me the people and keep the goods for yourself.”

Notice in verse 21 the king of Sodom didn’t ask Abraham if he would give back to him the people, but rather said GIVE ME the people and keep the goods for yourself. The way that is worded indicates that the king of Sodom was claiming that the people and the goods belonged to him and those he represented.

Genesis 14:22-24 (NIV) - 22But Abram said to the king of Sodom, “I have raised my hand to the LORD, God Most High, Creator of heaven and earth, and have taken an oath 23that I will accept nothing belonging to you, not even a thread or the thong of a sandal, so that you will never be able to say, ‘I made Abram rich.’ 24I will accept nothing but what my men have eaten and the share that belongs to the men who went with me—to Aner, Eshcol and Mamre. Let them have their share.”


Notice in verses 23 and 24 Abraham also acknowledges that the goods belonged to the king of Sodom and those he represented.

Therefore, it is clear that both the king of Sodom and Abraham acknowledged that the spoils of war did NOT belong to Abraham, yet he gave a tenth of the spoils to King Melchizedek. This would seem that Abraham did something wrong, if not even illegal, but Biblical historians agree that it was custom in Abraham's day to give the king a tenth of the war spoils. Had Abraham not given the tenth, he would have gone against custom.

Conclusion: Abraham did NOT give a tenth of his income, or his wealth. Abraham gave a tenth of the spoils of war that didn’t belong to him. That is NOT an example for Christians to follow today.

The next mention of a tithe is Jacob's VOW to tithe. Jacob set the conditions, not God. Nowhere in The Word does it tell us that Jacob actually tithed. Genesis 28:10-22

Next is The Lord's Tithe. God gave His definition as a tenth of crops and animals which came from God's hand, not man's income. God NEVER commanded anyone to tithe on anything that man made or earned. Leviticus 27:30-33.

The ordinances (instructions, or laws) for The Lord's Tithe are in Numbers 18. God gave strict orders to take His tithe to the Levites. God NEVER changed that command. Anyone who takes God's tithe to anyone other than the Levites is being disobedient to God's Word.

There are others tithes in the Bible such as the Festival Tithe and the Tithe for the Poor. It is The Lord's Tithe that churches pattern their teaching after.

Church leaders ignore God's definition of His tithe, and ignore God's ordinances for His tithe. They change the words to fit their pocket book. This is nothing but manipulation of God's Word. They are false teachers.

The Bible CLEARLY SHOWS that the tithe ENDED at the cross in the Book of Hebrews. In the first nine verses of Hebrews 7 the words tenth or tithes appears SEVEN TIMES. The ONLY place in the Bible, after Calvary, that tithing appears is in Hebrews 7.

In Hebrews 7:5 we are told that Levi (the Levites) took the tithes under the law. In Hebrews 7:12 we are told that when the priesthood changes, the law will change. Hebrews 7:18 is telling us that Numbers 18 was disannulled. Numbers 18 established the Levitical priesthood, and part of that establishing included tithing. When the Levitical priesthood ended (at Calvary, or at least in the year 70AD when the temple was destroyed), all laws that established that priesthood were canceled. If Numbers 18 wasn't canceled, we would still be under the Levitical priesthood.

Those who argue they didn't have money or income then really need to study the scriptures. They had money and wages, even in Genesis. The farmers had income from barter exchanges, and they had markets to buy and sell as proven in Deuteronomy 14:24-26.

Those who argue Malachi 3:8, robbing God, need to start with verse 7. God is talking about His ordinances in Numbers 18 which we learned were disannulled according to Hebrews 7:18. Also, if you start with Malachi 1, you will see that God is speaking to the priests, not the people. The priests robbed God of the tithe (Nehemiah 13) and the priests robbed God of the offerings (Malachi 1).

We are to GIVE, not pay tithes, in the Christian Church. Generous, sacrificial GIVING.

 

[BestBeWishing]

Those who argue Malachi 3:8, robbing God, need to start with verse 7.
Hi, there Tithing Today,
I started with verse 6
I should have also said "This is the way I think it reads" But if this dont mean what it say's Please help me out more,
(Malachi 1, you will see that God is speaking to the priests) I agree Malachi is a warning to the priest
Please help me to get What Our Father says in (ver 10) "Bring ye all the tithes into the storehouse,that there may be meat in mine house,
Tithes = love offerings, moneys
Meat= the Word of God
Mine House= Chruch, place we go to hear the Word
Thanks!!!

"In His Service"

 

[TithingToday]

BestBeWishing,

Malachi 3:10: "Bring ye all the tithes into the storehouse,that there may be meat in mine house...

1 - The people took the tithe to the Levities to go INTO THEIR CITIES (the Levitical cities) NOT to the Temple.
2 - After that, the Levites were commanded to take a tenth of the tithe to the Temple for the priests. That tenth of the tithe is the ONLY tithe that went to the Temple; thus, the ONLY part that went to the Storehouse.

This is verified in Nehemiah 10:37-38 which ALSO proves that firstfruits have NOTHING to do with the tithe as the firstfruits went to the priests while the tithe was taken to the Levites.

Now let's examine Malachi 3:10 by using the Strongs Hebrew Dictionary.

The word "meat" was translated from a Hebrew word that means FOOD. Meat does NOT mean God's Word - that is a lie that pastors love to use to try to fleece their flock.

"Mine house" means THE Temple, which the Spirit of God lived, NOT a church building. Our bodies are now the Temple, and the Spirit lives with us.

The pouring out a blessing means RAIN. The tithe came from the crops. The blessing was the RAIN.

See how pastors twist the scriptures to read in a way to BRING IN THE MONEY? Pastors have fallen in love with the tithe. It has corrupted the Christian Church. Thank God that not all denominations fall for this lie. In fact, not all Baptist pastors teach tithing, but most do. Some teach the truth, and some teach a lie.

I, myself, stay away from churches that teach lies.

 

[BestBeWishing]

Hi there again TithingToday!!

Hummm,

Well not sure about the strong thing, and I didnt get it from a church, just by pouring thur our Fathers Word!!!

Paul tells us in the book of Hebrews 5:11-14

The Danger of Slothfulness and Apostasy

11 Of whom we have many things to say, and hard to be uttered, seeing ye are dull of hearing. 12 For when for the time ye ought to be teachers, ye have need that one teach you again which be the first principles of the oracles of God; and are become such as have need of milk, and not of strong meat. 13 For every one that useth milk is unskilful in the word of righteousness: for he is a babe. 14 But strong meat belongeth to them that are of full age, [3] even those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil.

I see you just started under the user name of TithingToday, I also note you have been around, I'm not going to get to much more in this one, other than to say I'm no Denomination, but I dont think Paul is misleading here, this is not a lie Paul is telling Us.

The Word of God cuts both ways al-right

Hope this Helps you
"In His Service"

 

[TithingToday]

Don't try to compare the word meat in Hebrews with the word in Malachi.

Same with firstfruits. In the Old Testament, EVERY time the term firstfruits offering is mentioned, it is referring to the first of the crop - produce, or FOOD.

In the New Testament, firstfruits has a totally different meaning.

 

[BestBeWishing]

We should give tithes of 10 percent.

Offering are according to what we want to give.

For people that think that tithes were passed away by the Church age,the Bible says that Jesus nailed the physical ordinances of Israel to His cross taking them out of the way,therefore let no man tell you to keep the sabbath days,or respect of a holy day,or of a new moon,or meats,or drinks.
It does not say let no man judge you of the tithes,which means that Jesus did not nail the tithes to His cross and take them out of the way.
Tithes is still in effect.

In the Old Testament Abraham gave a tenth to Melchizedek king of Salem and priest of the most high God,who has no beginning of days.

The New Testament says that Jesus is made after the order of Melchizedek forever.
If Abraham paid tithes to Melchizedek and Jesus is made after the order of Melchizedek forever,then we should pay tithes to Jesus.

For people that think that God does not need money because He is deity,the people of the world are not going to care.
The people of the world is not going to give the Christians a free building,pay for their utilities,and give them food and clothing.

God does not need money,but to further His will of helping people the Church needs money.
The Church needs money to pay for things and help the poor.
Too bad some preachers do not feed the flock and help people like they should.

The Bible says that preacher is not to be in the ministry for the money.
The preacher does not get blessed anymore than any other saint.
The preacher is supposed to go by his needs and that in moderation,and all the other money is to help people.

Matt

Bingo!!!!!!

Thanks Matt!!! this is well said, I think its very important to give for Gods Word, Love offerings,Tithes,what ever!! your time, But Like I said I dont believe our Father wants to take away from anyone on a fixed income, But our Father wants us to stay in his Word, He loves us.
And I love Him for it.

"In His Service"

 

[TithingToday]

To follow Abraham's example, following The Bible, you tithe only once, and do it on war spoils, not your own income, since Abraham didn't tithe on his own income or wealth. Abraham tithed on other peoples' property. Great - follow Abraham's example by tithing on your neighbor's property.

Why not follow the example of Jesus, Himself? There is NO example in the Bible where Jesus tithed. Neither are there any examples of tithing from Paul, Peter,carpenters, fishermen, craftsmen, farm workers, other laborers, wage earners, etc.

Some of you just don't get it. First of all, the definition of the word tithe in Genesis is merely a tenth, a mathematical term. But God defined HIS tithe in Leviticus 27:30-33 as a tenth OF CROPS, and every tenth ANIMAL. God LIMITED what HE would accept as HIS tithe.

Follow God's Word, or follow the false teachings of church leaders. NO CHURCH taught tithing on income until THE SECOND HALF OF THE 1800s. STUDY the history of tithing and stop all this false teaching.

 

[Consumed]

for what it cost God to give His only begotten Son Our Lord, Jesus Christ to have us redeemed and set free from Satan's legitimate hold on us is a small price to pay for us, tithes are used for many different aspects of ministry and is well part of sowing and reaping. Yet to just tithe with the expectation its going to make you money is missing the whole point to be a cheerful giver, even in Book of Acts its written that "its better to give than receive". Even more so read the following scripture from Book of Malachi, even God says it Himself, long after Genesis was written



Mal 3:7 Even from the days of your fathers ye are gone away from mine ordinances, and have not kept them. Return unto me, and I will return unto you, saith the LORD of hosts. But ye said, Wherein shall we return?

Mal 3:8 Will a man rob God? Yet ye have robbed me. But ye say, Wherein have we robbed thee? In tithes and offerings.

Mal 3:9 Ye are cursed with a curse: for ye have robbed me, even this whole nation.

Mal 3:10 Bring ye all the tithes into the storehouse, that there may be meat in mine house, and prove me now herewith, saith the LORD of hosts, if I will not open you the windows of heaven, and pour you out a blessing, that there shall not be room enough to receive it.

 

[Consumed]

Luk 12:14 And he said unto him, Man, who made me a judge or a divider over you?
Luk 12:15 And he said unto them, Take heed, and beware of covetousness: for a man's life consisteth not in the abundance of the things which he possesseth.
Luk 12:16 And he spake a parable unto them, saying, The ground of a certain rich man brought forth plentifully:
Luk 12:17And he thought within himself, saying, What shall I do, because I have no room where to bestow my fruits?
Luk 12:18And he said, This will I do: I will pull down my barns, and build greater; and there will I bestow all my fruits and my goods.
Luk 12:19And I will say to my soul, Soul, thou hast much goods laid up for many years; take thine ease, eat, drink,andbe merry.
Luk 12:20But God said unto him,Thoufool, this night thy soul shall be required of thee: then whose shall those things be, which thou hast provided?
Luk 12:21Soishe that layeth up treasure for himself, and is not rich toward God.

 

[BestBeWishing]

Well said Consumed!!!



TithingToday
Why not follow the example of Jesus, Himself? There is NO example in the Bible where Jesus tithed. Neither are there any examples of tithing from Paul, Peter,carpenters, fishermen, craftsmen, farm workers, other laborers, wage earners, etc.



Why not teach the young Christains that are going to be reading these Post, That our Churches today need the Moneys to open the houses of our Father so they can recieve Our Fathers Word!! In todays times Bills have to be payed,Did'nt Jesus just walk around, like John and others back in the Day, they didnt have to many bills then did they," Its not Fasle Teaching to give where you are taught TT"

"In His Service"

 

[greatkraw]

you have all been conned

I defy you to show me from the New Testament where the Church is required to give 10%.

 

[Consumed]

you have all been conned

I defy you to show me from the New Testament where the Church is required to give 10%.

Not so much as being conned,

Mal 3:8Will a man rob God? Yet ye have robbed me. But ye say, Wherein have we robbed thee? In tithes and offerings.


and the best part is this

Luk 12:19And I will say to my soul, Soul, thou hast much goods laid up for many years; take thine ease, eat, drink,and be merry.
Luk 12:20But God said unto him,Thou fool, this night thy soul shall be required of thee: then whose shall those things be, which thou hast provided?
Luk 12:21Sois he that layeth up treasure for himself, and is not rich toward God.

The important part to remember is that God has given free will to do as we like with that which He provides for us, being a good stewart or bad? sowing and reaping, to be given with a cheerful heart for God to honor it, for to give begrudgingly one might as well spend it on themselves

 

[BestBeWishing]

you have all been conned

I defy you to show me from the New Testament where the Church is required to give 10%.

I'm saying that we that are Taught in the Church should give something to keep the Church alive!!

you know on a Sunday I leave my Home and go to Church, to hear the Word, I would give a littel of my weeks earnings to the church,

SO I CAN KEEP COMING BACK,AND THE LIGHTS WOULD BE ON

"In His Service" LOL

 

[BestBeWishing]

I'm saying that we that are Taught in the Church should give something to keep the Church alive!!

you know on a Sunday I leave my Home and go to Church, to hear the Word, I would give a littel of my weeks earnings to the church,

SO I CAN KEEP COMING BACK,AND THE LIGHTS WOULD BE ON

"In His Service" LOL

I'd just like to say Where I go to Church is the Shepards Chapel, My Pastor is Arnold Murray, I live in Florida but this Church is in Gravette, Arkansas,,, Every Morning at 3:30am my time I can get up and hear the Word of God from my TV Scripture by Scripture and Verse by Verse, Its cost a lot of Money for the Air time, I dont give much, but as much as I can,So I can wake up tomarro and turn my TV on and Hear it again, so I spend 1-hour every morning being taught the Word, and have been for last 20 years, and I think our Father for it, If others dont give it would not be here for me to see!!!

and this is true for other that want to learn the word, So please dont try to teach our Chritain Brother and Sisters not to help pay the bills where you are Taught!!! if you aint taught anywhere then shut-up with it,and dont blow any-more smoke

I'll rebuke all that wants to rob God!!!!

again given is only where you are taught, and if you have it to give, But most important is to stay in His Word

"In His Service"