Joy in everything?
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Even when all that terrible happened, I still think Job had joy. I think it is joy to know "this sucks so bad I just want to die, and yet God is in this anyway, so even the sucks-so-bad is worth it." That did not diminish the pain. But God gives us that even in the fiery midst of the deepest sorrows.
Job knew this verse better than anyone else in the course of history, apart from Jesus himself.
Rom. 8:31
31 [FONT="]What then shall we say to these things? [/FONT][FONT="][/FONT][FONT="]If God is for us, who can be[/FONT][FONT="] against us?[/FONT]
That is my joy!
Job knew this verse better than anyone else in the course of history, apart from Jesus himself.
Rom. 8:31
31 [FONT="]What then shall we say to these things? [/FONT][FONT="][/FONT][FONT="]If God is for us, who can be[/FONT][FONT="] against us?[/FONT]
That is my joy!
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Actually, you're disagreeing with yourself here, and I tend more toward agreeing with what you said in your first post.
By human standards, God did not "make things right." Job lost all his kids. 10 kids! All of them! He knew them by name. He knew who they were as people. He taught them what he thought was important to learn. He laughed with them. He kissed their booboos. He raised them to carry on the family business. And they died! All of them, at once, suddenly. God did give him more kids, but they weren't those kids. And, you're right. He mourned them the rest of his life, which had to be quite a number of more years, since he fathered so many more kids.
By spiritual standards, God did make it right though. He spent a day talking to Job and giving Job a glimpse of what God does without us even noticing it's happening all around us constantly. Near each of us right now is a lifeform we cannot see. It might be a bug, a worm, a squirrel, a bird, or one of hundred's of thousands of micro organisms. We don't see, so we don't think about them. And yet, God is working out his glory in such a way that each one of those lifeforms means something to him. Job got a time with God to learn that which we still don't get even as we read Job. So God is faithful. And that is our joy even in sorrow.
By human standards, God did not "make things right." Job lost all his kids. 10 kids! All of them! He knew them by name. He knew who they were as people. He taught them what he thought was important to learn. He laughed with them. He kissed their booboos. He raised them to carry on the family business. And they died! All of them, at once, suddenly. God did give him more kids, but they weren't those kids. And, you're right. He mourned them the rest of his life, which had to be quite a number of more years, since he fathered so many more kids.
By spiritual standards, God did make it right though. He spent a day talking to Job and giving Job a glimpse of what God does without us even noticing it's happening all around us constantly. Near each of us right now is a lifeform we cannot see. It might be a bug, a worm, a squirrel, a bird, or one of hundred's of thousands of micro organisms. We don't see, so we don't think about them. And yet, God is working out his glory in such a way that each one of those lifeforms means something to him. Job got a time with God to learn that which we still don't get even as we read Job. So God is faithful. And that is our joy even in sorrow.
Could you read post no. 14 and tell me if you understand it?
I believe we can Always feel joy.
Even when there's a Death in the family.
This DOES NOT mean we don't feel the pain.
But we know that God is with us.
When my mother died, I remember thanking God for taking her at that particular time.
I was incredibly sad to lose my mother, but I felt joy.
Is happiness different from joy??
I believe we can Always feel joy.
Even when there's a Death in the family.
This DOES NOT mean we don't feel the pain.
But we know that God is with us.
When my mother died, I remember thanking God for taking her at that particular time.
I was incredibly sad to lose my mother, but I felt joy.
Is happiness different from joy??
B
Yea it was challenging, surely people were running all about, probably a reason why each account seems alittle out of order.
from what I've been working with, there was a group of women who actually witnessed the stone being rolled away very early in the morning yet were frightened left the tomb and said nothing to no one for awhile. while it was still dark Mary came to see the tomb but the stone was already rolled away then she told a few groups of people about that, finally reaching Peter and another disciples and they went to the tomb, then Mary and the other Mary and other women went to the tomb again, surely because of sheer amazement and astonished.
Lk24:1 On the first day of the week, very early in the morning, the women took the spices they had prepared and went to the tomb.
Mt28:2 There was a violent earthquake, for an angel of the Lord came down from heaven and, going to the tomb, rolled back the stone and sat on it.
Mt28:3 His appearance was like lightning, and his clothes were white as snow.
Mt28:4 The guards were so afraid of him they shook and became like dead men.
Mt27:52 The tombs broke open and the bodies of many holy people who had died were raised to life.
Mt27:53 They came out of the tombs, and after Jesus' resurrection they went into the holy city and appeared to many people.
Mt27:54 When the centurion and those with him who were guarding Jesus saw the earthquake and all that had happened, they were terrified, and exclaimed, "Surely he was the Son of God!"
Mk16:8 Trembling and bewildered, the women went out and fled from the tomb. They said nothing to anyone, because they were afraid.
Mt28:11 While the women were on their way, some of the guards went into the city and reported to the chief priests everything that had happened.
Mt28:12 When the chief priests had met with the elders and devised a plan, they gave the soldiers a large sum of money,
Mt28:13 telling them, "You are to say, `His disciples came during the night and stole him away while we were asleep.'
Mt28:14 If this report gets to the governor, we will satisfy him and keep you out of trouble."
Mt28:15 So the soldiers took the money and did as they were instructed. And this story has been widely circulated among the Jews to this very day.
Jh20:1 Early on the first day of the week, while it was still dark, Mary Magdalene went to the tomb and saw that the stone had been removed from the entrance.
Jh20:11 but Mary stood outside the tomb crying. As she wept, she bent over to look into the tomb
Jh20:12 and saw two angels in white, seated where Jesus' body had been, one at the head and the other at the foot.
Jh20:13 They asked her, "Woman, why are you crying?" "They have taken my Lord away," she said, "and I don't know where they have put him."
Jh20:14 At this, she turned around and saw Jesus standing there, but she did not realize that it was Jesus.
Jh20:15 "Woman," he said, "why are you crying? Who is it you are looking for?" Thinking he was the gardener, she said, "Sir, if you have carried him away, tell me where you have put him, and I will get him."
Jh20:16 Jesus said to her, "Mary." She turned toward him and cried out in Aramaic, "Rabboni!" (which means Teacher).
Jh20:17 Jesus said, "Do not hold on to me, for I have not yet returned to the Father. Go instead to my brothers and tell them, `I am returning to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.'"
Mk16:9 When Jesus rose early on the first day of the week, he appeared first to Mary Magdalene, out of whom he had driven seven demons.
Mk16:10 She went and told those who had been with him and who were mourning and weeping.
Jh20:18 Mary Magdalene went to the disciples with the news: "I have seen the Lord!" And she told them that he had said these things to her.
Mk16:11 When they heard that Jesus was alive and that she had seen him, they did not believe it.
Jh20:2 So she came running to Simon Peter and the other disciple, the one Jesus loved, and said, "They have taken the Lord out of the tomb, and we don't know where they have put him!"
Jh20:3 So Peter and the other disciple started for the tomb.
Mk16:3 and they asked each other, "Who will roll the stone away from the entrance of the tomb?"
Mk16:4 But when they looked up, they saw that the stone, which was very large, had been rolled away.
Jh20:4 Both were running, but the other disciple outran Peter and reached the tomb first.
Jh20:5 He bent over and looked in at the strips of linen lying there but did not go in.
Jh20:6 Then Simon Peter, who was behind him, arrived and went into the tomb. He saw the strips of linen lying there,
Jh20:7 as well as the burial cloth that had been around Jesus' head. The cloth was folded up by itself, separate from the linen.
Jh20:8 Finally the other disciple, who had reached the tomb first, also went inside. He saw and believed.
Jh20:9 (They still did not understand from Scripture that Jesus had to rise from the dead.)
Jh20:10 Then the disciples went back to their homes,
Mt28:1 After the Sabbath, at dawn on the first day of the week, Mary Magdalene and the other Mary went to look at the tomb.
Mk16:5 As they entered the tomb, they saw a young man dressed in a white robe sitting on the right side, and they were alarmed.
Mk16:6 "Don't be alarmed," he said. "You are looking for Jesus the Nazarene, who was crucified. He has risen! He is not here. See the place where they laid him.
Lk24:4 While they were wondering about this, suddenly two men in clothes that gleamed like lightning stood beside them.
Lk24:5 In their fright the women bowed down with their faces to the ground, but the men said to them, "Why do you look for the living among the dead?
Lk24:6 He is not here; he has risen! Remember how he told you, while he was still with you in Galilee:
Lk24:7 `The Son of Man must be delivered into the hands of sinful men, be crucified and on the third day be raised again.'"
Lk24:8 Then they remembered his words.
Mt28:8 So the women hurried away from the tomb, afraid yet filled with joy, and ran to tell his disciples.
Mt28:9 Suddenly Jesus met them. "Greetings," he said. They came to him, clasped his feet and worshiped him.
Mt28:10 Then Jesus said to them, "Do not be afraid. Go and tell my brothers to go to Galilee; there they will see me."
Lk24:9 When they came back from the tomb, they told all these things to the Eleven and to all the others.
Lk24:10 It was Mary Magdalene, Joanna, Mary the mother of James, and the others with them who told this to the apostles.
Lk24:11 But they did not believe the women, because their words seemed to them like nonsense.
Lk24:12 Peter, however, got up and ran to the tomb. Bending over, he saw the strips of linen lying by themselves, and he went away, wondering to himself what had happened.
from what I've been working with, there was a group of women who actually witnessed the stone being rolled away very early in the morning yet were frightened left the tomb and said nothing to no one for awhile. while it was still dark Mary came to see the tomb but the stone was already rolled away then she told a few groups of people about that, finally reaching Peter and another disciples and they went to the tomb, then Mary and the other Mary and other women went to the tomb again, surely because of sheer amazement and astonished.
Lk24:1 On the first day of the week, very early in the morning, the women took the spices they had prepared and went to the tomb.
Mt28:2 There was a violent earthquake, for an angel of the Lord came down from heaven and, going to the tomb, rolled back the stone and sat on it.
Mt28:3 His appearance was like lightning, and his clothes were white as snow.
Mt28:4 The guards were so afraid of him they shook and became like dead men.
Mt27:52 The tombs broke open and the bodies of many holy people who had died were raised to life.
Mt27:53 They came out of the tombs, and after Jesus' resurrection they went into the holy city and appeared to many people.
Mt27:54 When the centurion and those with him who were guarding Jesus saw the earthquake and all that had happened, they were terrified, and exclaimed, "Surely he was the Son of God!"
Mk16:8 Trembling and bewildered, the women went out and fled from the tomb. They said nothing to anyone, because they were afraid.
Mt28:11 While the women were on their way, some of the guards went into the city and reported to the chief priests everything that had happened.
Mt28:12 When the chief priests had met with the elders and devised a plan, they gave the soldiers a large sum of money,
Mt28:13 telling them, "You are to say, `His disciples came during the night and stole him away while we were asleep.'
Mt28:14 If this report gets to the governor, we will satisfy him and keep you out of trouble."
Mt28:15 So the soldiers took the money and did as they were instructed. And this story has been widely circulated among the Jews to this very day.
Jh20:1 Early on the first day of the week, while it was still dark, Mary Magdalene went to the tomb and saw that the stone had been removed from the entrance.
Jh20:11 but Mary stood outside the tomb crying. As she wept, she bent over to look into the tomb
Jh20:12 and saw two angels in white, seated where Jesus' body had been, one at the head and the other at the foot.
Jh20:13 They asked her, "Woman, why are you crying?" "They have taken my Lord away," she said, "and I don't know where they have put him."
Jh20:14 At this, she turned around and saw Jesus standing there, but she did not realize that it was Jesus.
Jh20:15 "Woman," he said, "why are you crying? Who is it you are looking for?" Thinking he was the gardener, she said, "Sir, if you have carried him away, tell me where you have put him, and I will get him."
Jh20:16 Jesus said to her, "Mary." She turned toward him and cried out in Aramaic, "Rabboni!" (which means Teacher).
Jh20:17 Jesus said, "Do not hold on to me, for I have not yet returned to the Father. Go instead to my brothers and tell them, `I am returning to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.'"
Mk16:9 When Jesus rose early on the first day of the week, he appeared first to Mary Magdalene, out of whom he had driven seven demons.
Mk16:10 She went and told those who had been with him and who were mourning and weeping.
Jh20:18 Mary Magdalene went to the disciples with the news: "I have seen the Lord!" And she told them that he had said these things to her.
Mk16:11 When they heard that Jesus was alive and that she had seen him, they did not believe it.
Jh20:2 So she came running to Simon Peter and the other disciple, the one Jesus loved, and said, "They have taken the Lord out of the tomb, and we don't know where they have put him!"
Jh20:3 So Peter and the other disciple started for the tomb.
Mk16:3 and they asked each other, "Who will roll the stone away from the entrance of the tomb?"
Mk16:4 But when they looked up, they saw that the stone, which was very large, had been rolled away.
Jh20:4 Both were running, but the other disciple outran Peter and reached the tomb first.
Jh20:5 He bent over and looked in at the strips of linen lying there but did not go in.
Jh20:6 Then Simon Peter, who was behind him, arrived and went into the tomb. He saw the strips of linen lying there,
Jh20:7 as well as the burial cloth that had been around Jesus' head. The cloth was folded up by itself, separate from the linen.
Jh20:8 Finally the other disciple, who had reached the tomb first, also went inside. He saw and believed.
Jh20:9 (They still did not understand from Scripture that Jesus had to rise from the dead.)
Jh20:10 Then the disciples went back to their homes,
Mt28:1 After the Sabbath, at dawn on the first day of the week, Mary Magdalene and the other Mary went to look at the tomb.
Mk16:5 As they entered the tomb, they saw a young man dressed in a white robe sitting on the right side, and they were alarmed.
Mk16:6 "Don't be alarmed," he said. "You are looking for Jesus the Nazarene, who was crucified. He has risen! He is not here. See the place where they laid him.
Lk24:4 While they were wondering about this, suddenly two men in clothes that gleamed like lightning stood beside them.
Lk24:5 In their fright the women bowed down with their faces to the ground, but the men said to them, "Why do you look for the living among the dead?
Lk24:6 He is not here; he has risen! Remember how he told you, while he was still with you in Galilee:
Lk24:7 `The Son of Man must be delivered into the hands of sinful men, be crucified and on the third day be raised again.'"
Lk24:8 Then they remembered his words.
Mt28:8 So the women hurried away from the tomb, afraid yet filled with joy, and ran to tell his disciples.
Mt28:9 Suddenly Jesus met them. "Greetings," he said. They came to him, clasped his feet and worshiped him.
Mt28:10 Then Jesus said to them, "Do not be afraid. Go and tell my brothers to go to Galilee; there they will see me."
Lk24:9 When they came back from the tomb, they told all these things to the Eleven and to all the others.
Lk24:10 It was Mary Magdalene, Joanna, Mary the mother of James, and the others with them who told this to the apostles.
Lk24:11 But they did not believe the women, because their words seemed to them like nonsense.
Lk24:12 Peter, however, got up and ran to the tomb. Bending over, he saw the strips of linen lying by themselves, and he went away, wondering to himself what had happened.
Hi Beyond,
I see you already did the Empty Tomb part !
I'll bet it was the most difficult.
Thanks so much for posting it.
I'm going to save this too. Not to repost --- that wouldn't be fair.
But to use when doing lessons...
I can't tell you the work this saves me...
There are Always so many questions when it comes to the empty tomb.
Who went there first?
Why couldn't Mary embrace Jesus?
A lot of questions really cannot be anwered except with personal opinion.
This will be a great help.
Thanks!
p.s.
will get you a rep somehow.
You really deserve one and I can't give you another one...
I see you already did the Empty Tomb part !
I'll bet it was the most difficult.
Thanks so much for posting it.
I'm going to save this too. Not to repost --- that wouldn't be fair.
But to use when doing lessons...
I can't tell you the work this saves me...
There are Always so many questions when it comes to the empty tomb.
Who went there first?
Why couldn't Mary embrace Jesus?
A lot of questions really cannot be anwered except with personal opinion.
This will be a great help.
Thanks!
p.s.
will get you a rep somehow.
You really deserve one and I can't give you another one...