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    Quote Originally Posted by Grandpa View Post
    I would say you are required to obey God.

    Not "try" to obey God. Actually obey Him.

    Matthew 5:48 Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.

    And then when you can't do it ask why not. Ask for His Help and His Understanding. Maybe a person will understand Christianity if they do these things.

    John 15:5 I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.
    Amen brother.

    But not to get saved (or maintain your salvation however they want to word it)

    But because you are saved.
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    Rom 8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus,

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    1 Peter 5:
    6Therefore humble yourselves under the mighty hand of God, that He may exalt you at the proper time,7casting all your anxiety on Him, because He cares for you.

    James 4:
    10Humble yourselves in the presence of the Lord, and He will exalt you.

    An attitude of superiority indicates an individual is lifting himself up, & not allowing God to do it. It is self-righteousness & fleshly works.

    A superior attitude will never show the fruit of humility, though he/she will strive to fake it.

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    who has the superiority attitude?

    Those demanding works, and judging the sinners.

    Or those who have humbled themselves, and always point to christ.

    it is one thing to talk the talk, It is another to walk the walk. If you talk i t, and do not walk it, Your talk is meaningless and will never get heard.
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    one of the problems I have seen in churches since I have been going (and I have been going to church for 45 years now. and been to many churches all over the country)

    is that pastors who are not humble, but demanding, and expect people to walk the walk, Yet when reality hits, the pastor himself has not lived up to his own standard, Something always happens which shows some hidden sin, or hidden life, that (I think because God exposes it) always comes out. I have seen many a pastor fall hard because he refused to humble himself and teach humility, and confess his sin, But instead hid them, and became the ultimate hypocrite. who crashed and burned.

    I have also seen quite a few humble spiritual leaders, who just humbly share gods word, And are able to walk the walk, But in humility, not judgmental or demanding, Who are not afraid to admit they still sin, Not afraid to admit they are not perfect yet But walk with his congregation in the hope of finishing the race.. They run together as a group.

    Thats what the church needs. Not these hypocritical fruit inspectors who think they have made it.
    Eternally Grateful for the grace God has shown a wretched soul such as myself.

    Rom 8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus,

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    Depends

    Better questions get better answers!!

    Just kidding,

    If by obey you mean, that the sinner strikes a deal with God in which he promises to be obedient the rest of his life in exchange for a declaration of righteousness before his judgment bar. ........ NO NO NO NO !!!!


    Any more questions?


    Quote Originally Posted by FranC View Post
    Computer down. Can't type on this thing.
    Heres the question...

    Are we required to obey God?

    It's a simple yes or no answer.
    Two here have answered it but it took a while page.
    And I'M "deceptive"??.

    Does God want us to obey or not?
    Simple.
    For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.
    Romans 6:14

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    God does not require obedience. He is fully self sufficient and requires nothing from us.

    And God does not demand obedience either.

    Those my dear, are the attributes of the gods of Greek and Roman mythology and other pagan beliefs

    Is that how you view God?



    Quote Originally Posted by FranC View Post
    See, I can't get a reply.

    Why is the premise wrong?
    God has always demanded obedience from those who know Him.
    Those who do Not know him care nothing about obeying Him.

    So we need not ask For What...and answer a question with a question.

    If we're asking about obeying God we must be saved.
    So...we're saved.

    Same question...

    Does God require obedience?
    For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.
    Romans 6:14

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    James 1:12
    New International Version

    Blessed is the one who perseveres under trial because, having stood the test, that person will receive the crown of life that the Lord has promised to those who love him.

    New Living Translation
    God blesses those who patiently endure testing and temptation. Afterward they will receive the crown of life that God has promised to those who love him.

    English Standard Version
    Blessed is the man who remains steadfast under trial, for when he has stood the test he will receive the crown of life, which God has promised to those who love him.

    Berean Study Bible
    Blessed is the man who perseveres under trial, because when he has stood the test, he will receive the crown of life that God has promised to those who love Him.

    Berean Literal Bible
    Blessed is the man who endures trial, because, having been approved, he will receive the crown of life that He has promised to those loving Him.

    New American Standard Bible
    Blessed is a man who perseveres under trial; for once he has been approved, he will receive the crown of life which the Lord has promised to those who love Him.

    I love God's word, because it is able to stand without man's help.


    Romans 1:17
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    For in the gospel the righteousness of God is revealed--a righteousness that is by faith from first to last, just as it is written: "The righteous will live by faith."

    New Living Translation
    This Good News tells us how God makes us right in his sight. This is accomplished from start to finish by faith. As the Scriptures say, "It is through faith that a righteous person has life."

    Berean Study Bible
    For the gospel reveals the righteousness of God that comes by faith from start to finish, just as it is written: "The righteous will live by faith."

    God's word will stand!!! Hallelujah!!!

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    Actually He does UG...it is just that obedience is to believe His Word.

    Will have to find where the scripture plainly says that disobedience is unbelief. But, I think we all know that faith is what pleases Father.
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    Obedience is to live out His Word!

    God gave His children the ability to do so!

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    Rom 16:26
      but now has been made known through the prophets to all the gentiles, in keeping with the decree of the eternal God to bring them to the obedience that springs from faith— 


    1Pe 2:7  Unto youG5213 thereforeG3767 which believeG4100he is precious:G5092 butG1161 unto them which be disobedient,G544 the stoneG3037 whichG3739 theG3588 buildersG3618 disallowed,G593 the sameG3778 is madeG1096 the(G1519) headG2776 of the corner,G1137
     

    disobedient:

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    G544
    ἀπειθέω
    apeitheō
    ap-i-theh'-o
    From G545; to disbelieve (wilfully and perversely): - not believe, disobedient, obey not, unbelieving.
    Total KJV occurrences: 16






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    1 Peter 2:21
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    For God called you to do good, even if it means suffering, just as Christ suffered for you. He is your example, and you must follow in his steps.

    A word tried & true!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stephen63 View Post
    Obedience is to live out His Word!

    God gave His children the ability to do so!
    You are talking about actions. That's a different greek word and used in scriptures like disobedient children to their parents.

    Study it Stephen and see what you find.
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    Grace is the ability to live out His Word.
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    I understand, my issue is with the words demand and require.

    In the new covenant obedience is not a requirement, it is not a necessary element to ensure our righteousness and salvation.

    However,
    it is a result/symptom of that freely given righteousness, an outward confirmation of that which we already have in Christ.



    Quote Originally Posted by stonesoffire View Post
    Actually He does UG...it is just that obedience is to believe His Word.

    Will have to find where the scripture plainly says that disobedience is unbelief. But, I think we all know that faith is what pleases Father.
    For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.
    Romans 6:14

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    I understand that disobedience is unbelief, however I do not think this is what FranC is asking.

    God does not demand we believe, everyone has a choice to make.



    Quote Originally Posted by stonesoffire View Post
    Actually He does UG...it is just that obedience is to believe His Word.

    Will have to find where the scripture plainly says that disobedience is unbelief. But, I think we all know that faith is what pleases Father.
    For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.
    Romans 6:14

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stephen63 View Post
    1 Peter 2:21
    New Living Translation
    For God called you to do good, even if it means suffering, just as Christ suffered for you. He is your example, and you must follow in his steps.

    A word tried & true!
    1Pe 2:21  This is, in fact, what you were called to do, because: The Messiah also suffered for you and left an example for you to follow in his steps.

    ISV 
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    Quote Originally Posted by UnderGrace View Post
    I understand, my issue is with the words demand and require.

    In the new covenant obedience is not a requirement, it is not a necessary element to ensure our righteousness and salvation.

    However,
    it is a result/symptom of that freely given righteousness, an outward confirmation of that which we already have in Christ.
    It gets confusing though when we don't look at the Greek because our English might have different meanings. It's why I try to stick to the same words of the KJV and the Strongs concordance.

    When we think disobedient in English, we think actions. Not so in the scriptures. That's why I said it the way I did.

    In another post I wrote there is two greek words for disobedient.
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    Mat 6:22 The light of the body is the eye: if therefore thine eye be single, thy whole body shall be full of light.

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    Quote Originally Posted by UnderGrace View Post
    Tactic....hmm.... I am not that smart..... or should I say deceptive.

    Let me say it this way, what I know I know well, like John 3 1-16 and Ephesian 2:9 and what I do not know never contradicts this basic truth so it does not really matter.

    Like the blind man said "this is all I know, I was blind now I see" we can expound theology til we all drop, but at the end of

    the day it is His Holy Spirit that really gives us the ability to discern and know truth.
    UnderGrace this is beautifully said, simple even a child can understand...Some people make the word of God so hard, i am a new born again, just under 2 years i been walking with Our Lord, but like your self, i was blind and now i see, I know i have so much to learn, but the Holy Spirit teaches me day by day, bit by bit, step by step, i like simple, i love the whole book of 1 John, it lets me know that i am saved, i have read so many different teachings on this site that i have sometimes ended up doubting my salvation, but then i remember to always go back to the word of God and let His unchanging words fill me up and be careful of whose teaching i listen to...xox...
    PSALM 107:20 He sends His word and heals me and rescues me from the pit and destruction.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PennEd View Post
    I just answered Fran. God requires us to be obedient to THE GOSPEL. We MUST Believe who Jesus is and what HE has done.
    We must be obedient to the good news.
    Doesn't make a lot of sense.
    You could explain it...I don't really need you to.

    I was asking if we're to be Obedient to GOD?
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    From Proving Of Faith (Forerunner Commentary)

    In James 1:12, the apostle is saying that the man who overcomes trials becomes a man of sterling worth and emerges strong and pure spiritually. But what must we overcome? In Revelation, each of the letters to the seven churches of Asia Minor contains the phrase "to him who overcomes." Later, in a summary statement near the end of the book, Christ says, "He who overcomes shall inherit all things, and I will be his God and he shall be My son" (Revelation 21:7). It is obvious that overcoming is a prime activity in a Christian's life.Paul says we are in a warfare against "spiritual wickedness" (Ephesians 6:12, KJV). He also writes that "the carnal mind is enmity against God" (Romans 8:7) and that "those who are in the flesh cannot please God" (verse 8). John says those who "overcome the wicked one" are strong (I John 2:14), and then he says we are not to love the world or its lusts and pride (verses 15-16).We have, therefore, three general areas in which to overcome:
    1. We must overcome Satan, his demons, and their evil influence.
    2. We must overcome this world and its ways.
    3. We must overcome our fleshly, carnal, human nature.
    The way that Christ taught to overcome is not only to avoid sin, but to do what is good and right. Paul explains this succinctly to the Christians in Rome, "Do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good" (Romans 12:21). So we see that the crown of life is a crown of righteousness, and righteousness can be defined simply as "right doing." An overcomer is victorious over sin!

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