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Amen! No conflict at all. The harmony of Ephesians 2:8,9 and James 2:24 is seen in the differing ways that Paul and James use the term "justified." Paul, when he uses the term, refers to the legal (judicial) act of God by which He accounts the sinner as righteous. James, however is using the term to describe those who would show the genuineness of their faith by the works that they do.
Man is saved through faith and not by works (Ephesians 2:8,9; Titus 3:5; 2 Timothy 1:9); yet genuine faith is vindicated, substantiated, evidenced by works (James 2:14-24). So it is through faith "in Christ alone" (and not by the merits of our works) that we are justified on account of Christ (Romans 3:24; 5:1; 5:9); yet the faith that justifies is never alone (solitary, unfruitful, barren) if it is genuine (James 2:14-24). *Perfect Harmony.*
James is discussing the proof of faith (says-claims to have faith but has no works/I will show you my faith by my works - James 2:14-18), not the initial act of being accounted as righteous with God (Romans 4:2-3).
Man is saved through faith and not by works (Ephesians 2:8,9; Titus 3:5; 2 Timothy 1:9); yet genuine faith is vindicated, substantiated, evidenced by works (James 2:14-24). So it is through faith "in Christ alone" (and not by the merits of our works) that we are justified on account of Christ (Romans 3:24; 5:1; 5:9); yet the faith that justifies is never alone (solitary, unfruitful, barren) if it is genuine (James 2:14-24). *Perfect Harmony.*
James is discussing the proof of faith (says-claims to have faith but has no works/I will show you my faith by my works - James 2:14-18), not the initial act of being accounted as righteous with God (Romans 4:2-3).
PeterJens, you are not far from the Kingdom of God.
i recognize the Spirit of Truth teaching when i see them. You have done well to pray to God for understanding all those years, and even better to believe the answers that were given to you by the Spirit.
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DiscipleDave
i recognize the Spirit of Truth teaching when i see them. You have done well to pray to God for understanding all those years, and even better to believe the answers that were given to you by the Spirit.
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††† In His Holy and Precious Name, Jesus Christ †††
DiscipleDave
Rom 6:1 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound? God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?
The answer is NO we shall not continue in sin.
Joh_5:14 Afterward Jesus findeth him in the temple, and said unto him, Behold, thou art made whole: sin no more, lest a worse thing come unto thee.
Joh_8:11 She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more.
Rom 6:12 Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof.
1Pe 3:12 For the eyes of the Lord are over the righteous, and his ears are open unto their prayers: but the face of the Lord is against them that do evil.
Is SIN evil or good? So then the face of the Lord is against them that continue to live in sin. YES that is TRUE.
1Jn 1:6 If we say that we have fellowship with him (claim to be Christian), and walk in darkness (sin is darkness), we lie, and do not the truth: But IF(CONDITIONAL) we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.
When does His Blood cover us from all sin? When we do NOT walk in darkness and Walk in the Light as Jesus Christ walked in the light, that is when a person is covered by His Blood.
1Jn 5:1 Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: and every one that loveth him that begat loveth him also that is begotten of him.
1Jn 5:18 We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not. (Those who willingly commit sin i assure you the wicked one has touched them)
1Jn 3:8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil. Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother. (Those who do NOT Love One Another, are not of God no matter how much they claim to believe in Jesus.)
1Jn 3:6 Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.
1Co 15:34 Awake to righteousness, and sin not; for some have not the knowledge of God: I speak this to your shame.
1Jn 2:1 My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. (Apostle John teaching us to NOT SIN) And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous: (If you do sin, and Truly Repent, that is, YOU NO LONGER CONTINUE TO DO THAT SIN, then you can be forgiven for that sin, but if you continue to do that sin, how are you TRULY sorry for that sin, if you continue to commit that sin without ever ceasing from it. Repentance is given to a person who Truly Repents and ceases from the very thing they are repenting of)
2Pe 2:14 Having eyes full of adultery, and that cannot cease from sin; beguiling unstable souls: an heart they have exercised with covetous practices; cursed children:
Are you one of those who believes and teaches that you can't cease from sin? You can. i do. But you can't do it without the Power and Strength of Jesus Christ helping you.
1Co 10:13 There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear it.
There you have it. Scriptures teach that every single temptation that comes upon you. It is not so strong that you can't handle it. AND with every single temptation that comes upon you, Jesus allows a path out of it for you. So then when you are tempted to commit a sin, look for that path out of it that Jesus provided for you. But how many in this generation would rather just commit the sin because they WANT to commit that sin, repent afterwards, knowing full well they will continue to do that very sin that they LOVE to do. This generation better wake up and learn to start HATING SIN.
Heb 12:1 Wherefore seeing we also are compassed about with so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which doth so easily beset us, and let us run with patience the race that is set before us,
Yet another verse teaching us to get sin out of your life. These are but a few verses which teach us to STOP SINNING. Woe to this generation who believes they don't have to, that believing in Jesus is enough, and they do not have to get rid of the sin that so easily besets them. They do not have to Love One Another, just as long as they claim they believe in Jesus.
Sin is evil. Jesus dies because of sin. Your Master is who you choose to obey. When you are tempted to commit a sin. Jesus is telling you "Don't do it, it is sinful, take the path that I have given you" satan is telling you "Just do it, you can't lose your Salvation, just repent every time you do it, go ahead, no harm, no foul, have fun, just do it, repent later for it" WHO YOU OBEY IS YOUR MASTER!!!!!
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††† In His Holy and Precious Name, Jesus Christ †††
DiscipleDave
The answer is NO we shall not continue in sin.
Joh_5:14 Afterward Jesus findeth him in the temple, and said unto him, Behold, thou art made whole: sin no more, lest a worse thing come unto thee.
Joh_8:11 She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more.
Rom 6:12 Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof.
1Pe 3:12 For the eyes of the Lord are over the righteous, and his ears are open unto their prayers: but the face of the Lord is against them that do evil.
Is SIN evil or good? So then the face of the Lord is against them that continue to live in sin. YES that is TRUE.
1Jn 1:6 If we say that we have fellowship with him (claim to be Christian), and walk in darkness (sin is darkness), we lie, and do not the truth: But IF(CONDITIONAL) we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.
When does His Blood cover us from all sin? When we do NOT walk in darkness and Walk in the Light as Jesus Christ walked in the light, that is when a person is covered by His Blood.
1Jn 5:1 Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: and every one that loveth him that begat loveth him also that is begotten of him.
1Jn 5:18 We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not. (Those who willingly commit sin i assure you the wicked one has touched them)
1Jn 3:8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil. Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother. (Those who do NOT Love One Another, are not of God no matter how much they claim to believe in Jesus.)
1Jn 3:6 Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.
1Co 15:34 Awake to righteousness, and sin not; for some have not the knowledge of God: I speak this to your shame.
1Jn 2:1 My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. (Apostle John teaching us to NOT SIN) And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous: (If you do sin, and Truly Repent, that is, YOU NO LONGER CONTINUE TO DO THAT SIN, then you can be forgiven for that sin, but if you continue to do that sin, how are you TRULY sorry for that sin, if you continue to commit that sin without ever ceasing from it. Repentance is given to a person who Truly Repents and ceases from the very thing they are repenting of)
2Pe 2:14 Having eyes full of adultery, and that cannot cease from sin; beguiling unstable souls: an heart they have exercised with covetous practices; cursed children:
Are you one of those who believes and teaches that you can't cease from sin? You can. i do. But you can't do it without the Power and Strength of Jesus Christ helping you.
1Co 10:13 There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear it.
There you have it. Scriptures teach that every single temptation that comes upon you. It is not so strong that you can't handle it. AND with every single temptation that comes upon you, Jesus allows a path out of it for you. So then when you are tempted to commit a sin, look for that path out of it that Jesus provided for you. But how many in this generation would rather just commit the sin because they WANT to commit that sin, repent afterwards, knowing full well they will continue to do that very sin that they LOVE to do. This generation better wake up and learn to start HATING SIN.
Heb 12:1 Wherefore seeing we also are compassed about with so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which doth so easily beset us, and let us run with patience the race that is set before us,
Yet another verse teaching us to get sin out of your life. These are but a few verses which teach us to STOP SINNING. Woe to this generation who believes they don't have to, that believing in Jesus is enough, and they do not have to get rid of the sin that so easily besets them. They do not have to Love One Another, just as long as they claim they believe in Jesus.
Sin is evil. Jesus dies because of sin. Your Master is who you choose to obey. When you are tempted to commit a sin. Jesus is telling you "Don't do it, it is sinful, take the path that I have given you" satan is telling you "Just do it, you can't lose your Salvation, just repent every time you do it, go ahead, no harm, no foul, have fun, just do it, repent later for it" WHO YOU OBEY IS YOUR MASTER!!!!!
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††† In His Holy and Precious Name, Jesus Christ †††
DiscipleDave
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Unless one understands what it means to Awake to Righteousness .... one cannot understand sin not
Sin consciousness does not produce Godliness,
If you think you can stop sinning by self effort then again you have not understood the Divine influence of Grace in the life of the believer which is awaking to the righteousness within...... and that righteousness is Jesus
Every scripture you have posted below in context is teaching this...the life that is hid in Christ ...He in us and us in Him
Sin consciousness does not produce Godliness,
If you think you can stop sinning by self effort then again you have not understood the Divine influence of Grace in the life of the believer which is awaking to the righteousness within...... and that righteousness is Jesus
Every scripture you have posted below in context is teaching this...the life that is hid in Christ ...He in us and us in Him
Was listening to a message today on Romans 8:2
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2 [/SUP]For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus made me free from the law of sin and of death.
And will post it on the thread about the old and new covenant and how the 10 commandments need to be seen in the proper perspective of the new covenant.
Many Christians are still walking according to the old covenant of law trying to establish their own righteousness when in fact Jesus has given us His righteousness and established us in Him.... as UnderGrace is trying to remind Disciple Dave in the above post here.
Will post Romans 8:1-17 specifically looking at verse 1 and 2. The reason there is therefor now NO condemnation is because of verse 2... for the law of the spirit of life in Christ Jesus has SET YOU FREE from the law of sin and death. I wish believers here would step over that bar and over to the new covenant that makes the old covenant of law obsolete. But I must warn you., even when we do., we are always going to be tempted to go back to the old mindset that is established in the law to DO in order to BE righteous in Christ.
We have to keep going back to the truth that ONLY Christ makes us righteous before God.
Even when we read verses that seem to contradict the truth of Christs imputed righteousness., we have to apply the finished work of the Cross each and every time.
8 There is therefore now no condemnation to them that are in Christ Jesus.
[SUP]2 [/SUP]For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus made me free from the law of sin and of death.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]For what the law could not do, [SUP][a][/SUP]in that it was weak through the flesh, God, sending his own Son in the likeness of [SUP][b][/SUP]sinful flesh [SUP][c][/SUP]and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
[SUP]4 [/SUP]that the [SUP][d][/SUP]ordinance of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
[SUP]5 [/SUP]For they that are after the flesh mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.
[SUP]6 [/SUP]For the mind of the flesh is death; but the mind of the Spirit is life and peace:
[SUP]7 [/SUP]because the mind of the flesh is enmity against God; for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can it be:
[SUP]8 [/SUP]and they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
[SUP]9 [/SUP]But ye are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you. But if any man hath not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
[SUP]10 [/SUP]And if Christ is in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the spirit is life because of righteousness.
[SUP]11 [/SUP]But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwelleth in you, he that raised up Christ Jesus from the dead shall give life also to your mortal bodies [SUP][e][/SUP]through his Spirit that dwelleth in you.
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12 [/SUP]So then, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh:
[SUP]13 [/SUP]for if ye live after the flesh, ye must die; but if by the Spirit ye put to death the [SUP][f][/SUP]deeds of the body, ye shall live.
[SUP]14 [/SUP]For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, these are sons of God.
[SUP]15 [/SUP]For ye received not the spirit of bondage again unto fear; but ye received the spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.
[SUP]16 [/SUP]The Spirit himself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are children of God:
[SUP]17 [/SUP]and if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified with him.
[SUP]
2 [/SUP]For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus made me free from the law of sin and of death.
And will post it on the thread about the old and new covenant and how the 10 commandments need to be seen in the proper perspective of the new covenant.
Many Christians are still walking according to the old covenant of law trying to establish their own righteousness when in fact Jesus has given us His righteousness and established us in Him.... as UnderGrace is trying to remind Disciple Dave in the above post here.
Will post Romans 8:1-17 specifically looking at verse 1 and 2. The reason there is therefor now NO condemnation is because of verse 2... for the law of the spirit of life in Christ Jesus has SET YOU FREE from the law of sin and death. I wish believers here would step over that bar and over to the new covenant that makes the old covenant of law obsolete. But I must warn you., even when we do., we are always going to be tempted to go back to the old mindset that is established in the law to DO in order to BE righteous in Christ.
We have to keep going back to the truth that ONLY Christ makes us righteous before God.
Even when we read verses that seem to contradict the truth of Christs imputed righteousness., we have to apply the finished work of the Cross each and every time.
8 There is therefore now no condemnation to them that are in Christ Jesus.
[SUP]2 [/SUP]For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus made me free from the law of sin and of death.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]For what the law could not do, [SUP][a][/SUP]in that it was weak through the flesh, God, sending his own Son in the likeness of [SUP][b][/SUP]sinful flesh [SUP][c][/SUP]and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
[SUP]4 [/SUP]that the [SUP][d][/SUP]ordinance of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
[SUP]5 [/SUP]For they that are after the flesh mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.
[SUP]6 [/SUP]For the mind of the flesh is death; but the mind of the Spirit is life and peace:
[SUP]7 [/SUP]because the mind of the flesh is enmity against God; for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can it be:
[SUP]8 [/SUP]and they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
[SUP]9 [/SUP]But ye are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you. But if any man hath not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
[SUP]10 [/SUP]And if Christ is in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the spirit is life because of righteousness.
[SUP]11 [/SUP]But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwelleth in you, he that raised up Christ Jesus from the dead shall give life also to your mortal bodies [SUP][e][/SUP]through his Spirit that dwelleth in you.
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12 [/SUP]So then, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh:
[SUP]13 [/SUP]for if ye live after the flesh, ye must die; but if by the Spirit ye put to death the [SUP][f][/SUP]deeds of the body, ye shall live.
[SUP]14 [/SUP]For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, these are sons of God.
[SUP]15 [/SUP]For ye received not the spirit of bondage again unto fear; but ye received the spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.
[SUP]16 [/SUP]The Spirit himself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are children of God:
[SUP]17 [/SUP]and if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified with him.
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To sin not, is to awake to righteousness. A person is tempted to sin, and does not do it, has awoke to righteousness, they have obeyed Jesus which is saying "don't do it" Awake to righteousness means to start doing that which is righteous and sin not.
Sin consciousness lets us know what is sinful, conviction makes us do something about it, unless of coarse we ignore the conviction of the sin, do that enough times, and then you have a reprobate mind, which no longer is convicted by that particular sin.
Nobody can stop sinning without Jesus Christ. NOBODY. Nobody can stop sinning through self effort. We, in the flesh, want to sin, we love to sin. We have the sin nature, we desire to sin, we enjoy sinning. It is ONLY through the Power and Strength of Jesus Christ that a person can overcome those temptations, Truly it is supernatural. Jesus helped me quit smoking, Jesus helped me quit cussing like a sailor (military), Jesus helped me with my anger issues, Jesus helped me with pornography, Jesus helped me with my pride, Jesus helped me with vanity, Jesus helped me with lusting, Jesus helped me to Love One Another, enemies included. Jesus helped me be celibate (no desire for sex). Jesus helped me with every single temptation that satan throws at me. i now do all things to please Jesus Christ, i do not obey any temptation from satan, i could not do it without Jesus, nor can anyone do it without Him. PERIOD. He is my Strength and Power against satan and his wiles, his temptations.
True, and i have never said otherwise.
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††† In His Holy and Precious Name, Jesus Christ †††
DiscipleDave