A Study of Torah from Gen. - Rev.

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Rainrider

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Just like the ark of the covenant, Noah’s ark also had three levels. Our universe is also divided into three levels. Earth, universe (space) and heaven (where God is).

Other interesting thing about Genesis 6:14 is that the words describing the pitch are two different words:

The first pitch is the Hebrew word kaw-far'
A primitive root; to cover (specifically with bitumen); figuratively to expiate or condone,to placate or cancel: - appease, make(an) atonement, cleanse, disannul, forgive, be merciful, pacify, pardon, topitch, purge (away), put off, (make) reconcile (-liation).

The second word is ko'-fer
properly a cover, that is, (literally) a village (as covered in); (specifically) bitumen (as used for coating), and the henna plant (as used for dyeing);figuratively a redemption price: - bribe, camphire, pitch,ransom, satisfaction, sum of money, village.

But let us dig a bit deeper into this verse:


Gen 6:14 Make thee an ark of gopher wood; rooms shalt thou make in the ark, and shalt pitch it within and without with pitch.

The word make is the Hebrew word aw-saw'A primitive root; to do or make, in the broadest sense andwidest application: - accomplish, advance, appoint, apt, be at, become, bear,bestow.

The word ark is
tay-baw'a box: - ark. The root work for ark is and An empty space needingto be filled. This root is closely related to aband ib. (eng: be - as somethingthat exists filling a void)

go'-ferFrom an unused root, probably meaning to house in; a kind of tree or wood (as used for building), apparently the cypress: - gopher.

Wood is ates, a tree(from its firmness); hence wood(plural sticks): - + carpenter, gallows,helve, + pine, plank, staff, stalk, stick, stock, timber, tree, wood.

What is the picture if we put this all together?

We have to appoint somebody to fill the void that will house us in; a carpenter on/with a stick that will clean us, forgive, pardon us and be merciful to us. He will reconcile us (to the Father – my interpretation) and pay a redemption price for us.
So do you read Hebrew? Just asking because I wish I could. LOL I know it would open a whole new understanding for me, and would remove any misunderstandings I may find.
Thank you once more my friend. You did show me something I didn't know, so I will be looking it up. I always just thought pitch, like we get from Crude oil from the refinery.

Have you looked at Strong's? I talked with a Rabbi friend of mine, and he informed me that Strong's used words that are not Hebrew at all.
 
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So do you read Hebrew? Just asking because I wish I could. LOL I know it would open a whole new understanding for me, and would remove any misunderstandings I may find.
Thank you once more my friend. You did show me something I didn't know, so I will be looking it up. I always just thought pitch, like we get from Crude oil from the refinery.

Have you looked at Strong's? I talked with a Rabbi friend of mine, and he informed me that Strong's used words that are not Hebrew at all.
Unfortunately I can't read it (yet) but I am enrolling next year. I am currently busy with other studies so no time for the Hebrew reading. Our pastor is fluent in Hebrew and he teach us many things in Hebrew and he is like a mentor to me.

For this I used the strongs and Blue letter Bible but I usually try to stay away from strongs and use other sources.
 

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Unfortunately I can't read it (yet) but I am enrolling next year. I am currently busy with other studies so no time for the Hebrew reading. Our pastor is fluent in Hebrew and he teach us many things in Hebrew and he is like a mentor to me.

For this I used the strongs and Blue letter Bible but I usually try to stay away from strongs and use other sources.
I wouldn't know what to do with out B.L.B. LOL I use it all the time, I love having something like 13 different translations in one place. Well I think it's 13 that I can read anyway. LOL
 
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why do u have rabbis????????? remember jesus said not to call nobody your rabbi...........
 

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Am I bothering anyone for being here and asking questions?
 
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Am I bothering anyone for being here and asking questions?
My opinion is that we should ask questions when we discuss the word of God. Sometimes we do not have the same knowledge as the next person and that is how we teach each other.
 

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It signifies redemption, a new beginning.
To me it signifies that 6 has passed through 7 to become 8(a new creation)

And I see the wedding at Cana a visible depiction of the LORD of the (seventh day) Sabbath filling 6 earthen vessels (signifying 6th day man) with the NEW WINE of the Covenant and creating a NEW (eighth day) MAN/CREATION reborn of HIS LIFE-GIVING SPIRIT

Thats what I see
A visual recap of CHRIST's MINISTRY
 

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We are not there yet. We are only at Genesis 7.
And the rain was upon the earth forty days and forty nights. Genesis 7:12

So did the rain come from expanse above the firmament or from the cloud above the earth?
 

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And the rain was upon the earth forty days and forty nights. Genesis 7:12

So did the rain come from expanse above the firmament or from the cloud above the earth?
We are not told that, so what you are going to get here is nothing more than my thinking on it.
From the way it reads, I would think it came from the firmament, we know that the waters was separated from the waters. I know I didn't cover that we will though, as I kind of like to get past the flood first. Then when going back, chapter one does move a bit faster, and has always made a bit more sense, for any that have not covered the Torah in this fashion before.

Any way, when the waters were placed in the firmament, it was done with the flood in mind. HaShem knowing the end from the beginning, know what man would become. Hens with foresight, He set aside what would be needed. The water He removed to bring forth the dry land, was simply placed back on the earth. I promise that after chapter 8, we will cover chapter 1.
 

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why do u have rabbis????????? remember jesus said not to call nobody your rabbi...........
Though all that will come with time. I will speak only from my self now. I use the phrase Rabbi, only out of respect. They know full well, that this my only intent, and in my mind, to simply say, Richmen, would show disrespect. Just as teh RCC has what they call Father, yet the Bible tells us not call any man father. Rabbi Richman, spent many long years to get where he is. He has earned my respect, and just as I show respect with the Title HaShem to YHVH, I do my best to show respect to everyone that also shows respect to others. Just as I have shown you respect in my answer.
 
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Gen 7:12 And the rain was on the earth forty days and forty nights.

Even for one that doesn't follow the meanings of numbers and letters, the number 40 simply can't be anything other than significant. This one number shows up some 7 or 8 times just in Torah. This tels us something about the number 40.
First it rained 40 days
Then Isaac was 40 years old when he took Rebekah as his wife,
Esau was 40 when he took Judith and Basemathas wives
40 cows were given to Esau by Isaac
400 years in Egypt
40 year in the wilderness
40 days to spy out the land
forty sockets of silver for the Tabinacle
That is just what comes to mind. So why is 40 so prominent? What does it mean?
40 generally symbolizes a period of testing, trial or probation. As this can be seen almost every time the number shows up. we will look at them all as they come to light, however, as can be seen here 40 days and nights of rain was not any that are named. It was however a sentence handed down, after man was tried for their sin.
There are many times in the Word that 40 shows up, some 140-150 times I think. If one is to think about just that number, they will most likely place it with a time of testing. Most will think of Yeshua and the 40 days He spent in the wilderness.

Gen 7:24 And the waters prevailed on the earth one hundred and fifty days.
Gen 8:1 ¶Then God remembered Noah, and every living thing, and all the animals that were with him in the ark. And God made a wind to pass over the earth, and the waters subsided.

HaShem remembered. Do we really think He forgot about them? Or can this simply be showing us that HaShem uses this word to make it easier for us to understand? After all, when HaShem was ready to show them mercy, it was like He remembered them. Just as the time they spent in the ark, it was like He forgot them. Though at that time, it may well have been that He simply needed to seek out the true heart of every one on board. I know that sounds a bit absurd as well, yet we are simply men, doing our best to understand.

Gen 8:4 Then the ark rested in the seventh month, the seventeenth day of the month, on the mountains of Ararat.

The 7th month of the Jewish calendar is Tishrei. The 15th day of this month is the feast of Sukkot, or booths. In my mind this is fitting, as on this day HaShem seen fit to bring the ark to a stop, giving them a rest from the time that it seemed HaShem had forgotten Noah. In so doing, we find He remembered them, or as can be said, He dwelt with them once more.

Gen 8:13 ¶And it came to pass in the six hundred and first year, in the first month, the first day of the month, that the waters were dried up from the earth; and Noah removed the covering of the ark and looked, and indeed the surface of the ground was dry.

The first month, and first day of the month. Can anyone think of a better way to start the new year, than with a new beginning? That is what this was, and I am sure Noah seen it as this as well.

Gen 8:16 “Go out of the ark, you and your wife, and your sons and your sons’ wives with you.
Gen 8:20 ¶Then Noah built an altar to the LORD, and took of every clean animal and of every clean bird, and offered burnt offerings on the altar.
Gen 8:21 And the LORD smelled a soothing aroma. Then the LORD said in His heart, “I will never again curse the ground for man’s sake, although the imagination of man’s heart is evil from his youth; nor will I again destroy every living thing as I have done.

Don't get this wrong, or you will miss so much along the way. It was not the sacrifice that HaShem seen as a good thing. It was the willing heart, and the thanks giving that was lifted from the heart with this action. Noah was not told, asked, or even given a hint to do this. Noah did this out of faith, and with a love for HaShem. He asked nothing in return, and in this act, noah showed both his love for, and faith in HaShem.
how did he show faith in this at? At this time the only thing he had to eat was what was on the ark, and the clear animals that he had just let off the ark. SO to freely give up so much, from what little you have, is an act that says, I know you will provide my needs. This same act should be followed today. NO don't run out and get a goat or sheep to scarifice, this act of giving, is what we should do. Every time a person finds they only have $1, and they freely out of love, respect, and obedience give a dime in tithe, they are saying I am poor, yet I know in my heart you HaShem will tend my needs.
 

Rainrider

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Am I bothering anyone for being here and asking questions?
It is not your questions I take exception to. It is that you seem to love telling others how to live, what to teach, how to teach and so on. also when you through out unfounded accusations, as you seem to love to do, It does come across as hateful, and belittling. 2 things that even face to face would turn my ear to others, and away from any that spoke in this manner to any around. Show respect, and you find respect in return. Show disrespect, and you will get nothing at all. It is the only way I can show respect to anyone that shows me disrespect. To keep talking with them, will lead to anger, I dislike anger.
 

miknik5

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It is not your questions I take exception to. It is that you seem to love telling others how to live, what to teach, how to teach and so on. also when you through out unfounded accusations, as you seem to love to do, It does come across as hateful, and belittling. 2 things that even face to face would turn my ear to others, and away from any that spoke in this manner to any around. Show respect, and you find respect in return. Show disrespect, and you will get nothing at all. It is the only way I can show respect to anyone that shows me disrespect. To keep talking with them, will lead to anger, I dislike anger.
I believe you owe me an apology
 

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Gen 7:12 And the rain was on the earth forty days and forty nights.

Even for one that doesn't follow the meanings of numbers and letters, the number 40 simply can't be anything other than significant. This one number shows up some 7 or 8 times just in Torah. This tels us something about the number 40.
First it rained 40 days
Then Isaac was 40 years old when he took Rebekah as his wife,
Esau was 40 when he took Judith and Basemathas wives
40 cows were given to Esau by Isaac
400 years in Egypt
40 year in the wilderness
40 days to spy out the land
forty sockets of silver for the Tabinacle
That is just what comes to mind. So why is 40 so prominent? What does it mean?
40 generally symbolizes a period of testing, trial or probation. As this can be seen almost every time the number shows up. we will look at them all as they come to light, however, as can be seen here 40 days and nights of rain was not any that are named. It was however a sentence handed down, after man was tried for their sin.
There are many times in the Word that 40 shows up, some 140-150 times I think. If one is to think about just that number, they will most likely place it with a time of testing. Most will think of Yeshua and the 40 days He spent in the wilderness.

Gen 7:24 And the waters prevailed on the earth one hundred and fifty days.
Gen 8:1 ¶Then God remembered Noah, and every living thing, and all the animals that were with him in the ark. And God made a wind to pass over the earth, and the waters subsided.

HaShem remembered. Do we really think He forgot about them? Or can this simply be showing us that HaShem uses this word to make it easier for us to understand? After all, when HaShem was ready to show them mercy, it was like He remembered them. Just as the time they spent in the ark, it was like He forgot them. Though at that time, it may well have been that He simply needed to seek out the true heart of every one on board. I know that sounds a bit absurd as well, yet we are simply men, doing our best to understand.

Gen 8:4 Then the ark rested in the seventh month, the seventeenth day of the month, on the mountains of Ararat.

The 7th month of the Jewish calendar is Tishrei. The 15th day of this month is the feast of Sukkot, or booths. In my mind this is fitting, as on this day HaShem seen fit to bring the ark to a stop, giving them a rest from the time that it seemed HaShem had forgotten Noah. In so doing, we find He remembered them, or as can be said, He dwelt with them once more.

Gen 8:13 ¶And it came to pass in the six hundred and first year, in the first month, the first day of the month, that the waters were dried up from the earth; and Noah removed the covering of the ark and looked, and indeed the surface of the ground was dry.

The first month, and first day of the month. Can anyone think of a better way to start the new year, than with a new beginning? That is what this was, and I am sure Noah seen it as this as well.

Gen 8:16 “Go out of the ark, you and your wife, and your sons and your sons’ wives with you.
Gen 8:20 ¶Then Noah built an altar to the LORD, and took of every clean animal and of every clean bird, and offered burnt offerings on the altar.
Gen 8:21 And the LORD smelled a soothing aroma. Then the LORD said in His heart, “I will never again curse the ground for man’s sake, although the imagination of man’s heart is evil from his youth; nor will I again destroy every living thing as I have done.

Don't get this wrong, or you will miss so much along the way. It was not the sacrifice that HaShem seen as a good thing. It was the willing heart, and the thanks giving that was lifted from the heart with this action. Noah was not told, asked, or even given a hint to do this. Noah did this out of faith, and with a love for HaShem. He asked nothing in return, and in this act, noah showed both his love for, and faith in HaShem.
how did he show faith in this at? At this time the only thing he had to eat was what was on the ark, and the clear animals that he had just let off the ark. SO to freely give up so much, from what little you have, is an act that says, I know you will provide my needs. This same act should be followed today. NO don't run out and get a goat or sheep to scarifice, this act of giving, is what we should do. Every time a person finds they only have $1, and they freely out of love, respect, and obedience give a dime in tithe, they are saying I am poor, yet I know in my heart you HaShem will tend my needs.
GENESIS 8:7 and he sent out

a raven.

It went back and forth, until the waters were dried up from the earth.


PSALMS 147:9 He provides food for the livestock, and for the young

ravens when they call.
 

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This is going to be a kind of long post. As we now turn back to Gen. 1. I think it may be best to make 2 post out of this, I will see when I get to a point I think I should stop.

Gen 1:1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.
Jhn 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

As we can see from the 2 verses, everything started with HaShem. He created with His Word, His Word was Him, and was with Him. So what does John 1 say the Word is, or should I ask who?

We are going to fist take a fast look at this, as it helps us to better se just what is really being told to us in Gen.1.
Jhn 1:2 He was in the beginning with God.
Jhn 1:3 All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made.
Jhn 1:4 In Him was life, and the life was the light of men.

The light of man? What this really means may be debated for many years to come. What we do know is that Yeshua is the Light, and that His light shines in all that truly follow His teachings. More often than not you will find that people see this light of man as Yeshua. This is one point that is backed as we move on.
Jhn 1:9 That was the true Light which gives light to every man coming into the world.
Jhn 1:10 He was in the world, and the world was made through Him, and the world did not know Him.
Jhn 1:14 ¶And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth.

If the Word was with, and was God, then one can conclude that Thw word did not need to be created. Also if everything that was created was created through the Word, then it stands clear that the Word, by HaShem, is not a creation. There are some other points I will be making as we turn back to Gen.1.









Gen 1:2 The earth was without form, and void; and darkness was[fn] on the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God was hovering over the face of the waters.
It is at this point that one must ask, how much time has passed? We really have no way of knowing, other than to sayone day, as some do. Also we find the the earth was without form. This in my mind brings up water. You see water has no form of it's own, it simply takes on the form of what ever we put it in.

Gen 1:3 Then God said, “Let there be light”; and there was light.

There is an interesting teaching about this. It is said that when HaShem first brought light into the world it was like looking down a hallway, that had lights spaced out, so that their was darkness in between the spots of light.
Gen 1:4 And God saw the light, that it was good; and God divided the light from the darkness.

That is why we now find He had to divide the light from the dark. As we see here. Where light goes it gets better.

Gen 1:5 God called the light Day, and the darkness He called Night. So the evening and the morning were the first day.

As we see here, HaShem didn't say it was good. Why is that? Was there something wrong with the light he made, or was it that the darkness was somehow wrong? I will let you think on that for a bit, as we move on.

Gen 1:6 ¶Then God said, “Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.”
Gen 1:7 Thus God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament; and it was so.
Gen 1:8 And God called the firmament Heaven. So the evening and the morning were the second day.

Once more He didn't say it was good. I am going to give 2 reasons that are though to be right.
1 HaShem knowing that the 2 waters would come back together, and kill everything on the earth, seen nothing good about it.
2 Though the waters did as HaShem told them, they tried to come back together, and had to be forced to stay where HaSHem had put them.
I like the first one best, After all, water is going to do nothing more than what it is told to. It doesn't know good or evil, right or wrong.

Gen 1:9 Then God said, “Let the waters under the heavens be gathered together into one place, and let the dry land appear”; and it was so.

Into one place. This gives a clear idea that the dry land was one continent, with one ocean.
Gen 1:10 And God called the dry land Earth, and the gathering together of the waters He called Seas. And God saw that it was good.

Here we find that it was good. The most common teaching is that it was good, due to land being formed. As HaShem was building a place for man kid. He started with the earth, then gave it light, and now dry land. This order was not by chance. As we will see, everything was created in the order it would be needed, to support life.

Sorry I really need to cal it a day. I am hurting so badly that I am losing my train of thought. Please forgive me, I will get this finished tomorrow.
 

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We are not told that, so what you are going to get here is nothing more than my thinking on it.
From the way it reads, I would think it came from the firmament, we know that the waters was separated from the waters. I know I didn't cover that we will though, as I kind of like to get past the flood first. Then when going back, chapter one does move a bit faster, and has always made a bit more sense, for any that have not covered the Torah in this fashion before.

Any way, when the waters were placed in the firmament, it was done with the flood in mind. HaShem knowing the end from the beginning, know what man would become. Hens with foresight, He set aside what would be needed. The water He removed to bring forth the dry land, was simply placed back on the earth. I promise that after chapter 8, we will cover chapter 1.
That wasn't the reason why HE separated water from water

if HE hadn't there would have been no place for man to begin with
HE had to draw a firmament between the heavens and gather the waters below so that dry land could appear

The waters weren't placed in the firmament.
The water were displaced because of the firmament