We were taught that time was created on day 4 in our Genesis Hebrew series but I can't remember how our Pastor came to this conclusion 
. If I remember I will listen to it again...
. If I remember I will listen to it again...
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The way this is determined is to go to the original Hebrew. Both the light of God and the light from heavenly bodies is translated as light although God's meaning was very different. The Hebrew word translated as light in the first verses means goodness, peace, righteousness, etc. The meaning of the Hebrew word in the 14th verse means a heavenly body emitting light.
I would agree time for our purposes of a "observation" and not a sign "to seek after" began when he said; let there be light and there was. The fourth day seeing many who walk by sight would believe the Sun is the center of the uninivere as a source of faith and people would worship the Sun and not the Creator not seen because they did walk by sight .He turned it on as a witness to His creative power not seen.
Three things that make up God not seen . God is light in respect to he can create a witness the Sun and a witness to that the Moon God is Spirit. God is truth
Three things that make up God not seen . God is light in respect to he can create a witness the Sun and a witness to that the Moon God is Spirit. God is truth
After the flood Noah entered a very different world, I purified world. Adam was king of creation, Noah dominated the purified world. Adam was placed in a garden, Noah began planting vineyards. Adam fell by eating fruit from the garden, Noah fell by drinking wine from his grapes.
When Ham saw the nakedness of Noah he sinned by not respecting his father. Instead he left him uncovered and went to tell others of what he had done.
When Ham saw the nakedness of Noah he sinned by not respecting his father. Instead he left him uncovered and went to tell others of what he had done.
I see you used the NASB, but the other copyrighted translations use the term 'clouds' so did your translation get it wrong or is the 'cloud' just the singular for the same 'clouds' found in the earth's atmosphere?
It is ironic that modern evolutionary based science refuted that the rainbow is in the clouds, but rather rainbows result from refraction of light which passes through water droplets since they are now claiming that clouds are actually made up of tiny droplets of liquid water suspended in the atmosphere by wind currents.
If clouds are water droplets suspended in the atmosphere then if the rainbow is the result of light passing through water droplets then it would stand to reason that the rainbow would be in the cloud since the water droplets are the cloud. (Just a thought)
But the problem with their hypothesis is that it is based upon the passage in Job 36:27
So here is are some clouds over the earth but yet there is no rainbow? Any explanation?
So did your God put his rainbow in the cloud or "in the clouds on a rainy day" as written in Ezekiel 1:28 of the NASB? Yet if I recall correctly, didn't you say that the rain from heaven in Genesis 8:2 was from clouds? So did the people on earth see a rainbow before they were destroyed?
It is ironic that modern evolutionary based science refuted that the rainbow is in the clouds, but rather rainbows result from refraction of light which passes through water droplets since they are now claiming that clouds are actually made up of tiny droplets of liquid water suspended in the atmosphere by wind currents.
If clouds are water droplets suspended in the atmosphere then if the rainbow is the result of light passing through water droplets then it would stand to reason that the rainbow would be in the cloud since the water droplets are the cloud. (Just a thought)
But the problem with their hypothesis is that it is based upon the passage in Job 36:27
“He draws up the drops of water,which distill as rain to the streams; NIV
So here is are some clouds over the earth but yet there is no rainbow? Any explanation?
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First I am using the NKJ. Second if you read my post closely, you will find you answers. As for the your god comment, do you not also serve HaShem, or should I say YHVH, the ElOhim of Avraham, (Abraham), Yitz'-chak, (Isaac), and Yaakov, (Jacob) ? if not then no my God didn't get it wrong. Thanks for you input though.
Genealogy isn't my thing. Though it can help with knowing a bit more about the peoples, There is however one of interest.
Gen 10:8 Cush begot Nimrod; he began to be a mighty one on the earth.
Gen 10:9 He was a mighty hunter before the LORD; therefore it is said, “Like Nimrod the mighty hunter before the LORD.”
Ramban tells us that before Nimrod their was neither wars nor reigning monarchs. Nimrod subjugated the Babylonians until they crowned him, then moved into Assyria and built great cities.
A mighty hunter befoer the Lord. Rashi and most commentators interpret this figuratively. Nimrod ensnared men with his words, and incited them to rebel against HaShem. He was the forerunner of the hypocrite who drapes himself in robes of piety to deceive the masses.
There is however more to be learned of many things that are followed in some churches today. I know this is not going to a popler post, yet it must be placed out there if this is to be a study filled with truth. I will post web sights as I go, so that you may look for your self at the info that is placed before you.
Nimrod—Who was he? Was he godly or evil? • WebBible Encyclopedia • ChristianAnswers.Net
First, what does the name Nimrod mean? It comes from the Hebrew verb marad, meaning “rebel.” Adding an “n” before the “m” it becomes an infinitive construct, “Nimrod.” (see Kautzsch 1910: 137 2b, also BDB 1962: 597). The meaning then is “The Rebel.” Thus “Nimrod” may not be the character's name at all. It is more likely a derisive term of a type, a representative, of a system that is epitomized in rebellion against the Creator, the one true God. Rebellion began soon after the Flood as civilizations were restored. At that time this person became very prominent.
The person we are referring to found in extra-Biblical literature was Gilgamesh. The first clay tablets naming him were found among the ruins of the temple library of the god Nabu (Biblical Nebo) and the palace library of Ashurbanipal in Nineveh. Many others have been found since in a number of excavations. The author of the best treatise on the Gilgamesh Epic says,
The date of the composition of the Gilgamesh Epic can therefore be fixed at about 2000 BC. But the material contained on these tablets is undoubtedly much older, as we can infer from the mere fact that the epic consists of numerous originally independent episodes, which, of course, did not spring into existence at the time of the composition of our poem but must have been current long before they were compiled and woven together to form our epic (Alexander Heidel, 1963: 15).
https://romecorruptedchristianity.w...amily-created-god-the-father-and-god-the-son/
Nimrod married his own mother. After declaring himself to be a god, then his mother declared herself to be “the Mother of god”. Her name was Semiramis. After Nimrod’s death, she attempted to cover over her incenstuous relationship with her son – by declaring that he was both the Father and the Son.
Nimrod’s wife declared herself to be a moon-goddess. She gave herself glorious titles such as “queen of heaven” – “ever virgin” – “Mediatrix” and “mother of god”. She thus made herself into the perfect female image – by which all future goddesses were copied or molded after.
As one can find in the following web page,
The Babylonian Connection to Christmas
And many others, their are many baptized pagan holidays that followed today. They all got their start with Nimrod, his mother/wife, and Tammuz. Rather get into debate over how wrong I am, just for stating what is found, and may not even be my own teachings. I will just say, look them up.
First we come to what was christened christmas. The first evidence of this date being a holiday, points to the birth of Tammuz.
As we know the Bible gives little info that points to the time of Yeshua's birth, and never tells us the date. So lets look at what we do have,
Luk 2:8 Now there were in the same country shepherds living out in the fields, keeping watch over their flock by night.
Luk 2:10 Then the angel said to them, “Do not be afraid, for behold, I bring you good tidings of great joy which will be to all people.
Luk 2:11 “For there is born to you this day in the city of David a Savior, who is Christ the Lord.
As to the shepherds living in the fields, This would show that we have a time line that runs from around Mid March- late September early October. As the temperature would drop to near freezing in December, they would not be living in the fields, rather they would have the herds close to home, and tend them from there. In some cases, the sheep would be put in a barn that was attached to the house in some way. Some people lived above the barn, and others may have had them simply next to the house. This made it easy to keep them safe.
Luk 2:4 Joseph also went up from Galilee, out of the city of Nazareth, into Judea, to the city of David, which is called Bethlehem, because he was of the house and lineage of David,
Luk 2:5 to be registered with Mary, his betrothed wife, who was with child.
The Word doesn't tell us this was a feast, yet there is compelling evidance that the Romans used feast days to get things like this done. Be it registations and/or taxes. So lets follow the lead of others and place it with one of the pilgrom feast. Now we have Pasach,( passover) or Sukkot, ( booths). Though I see in the passages above reason to not place it on any feast, I am going to work with this. Of the 2 Sukkot would be the most logical. As teh spice traders would not have been fare enough down the road to get to Bethelham before Yeshua was close to 6 or 7 moths old. Meaning Yeshua would not have been in Bethelham when they got their. Sukkot being in Late September early October.
Easter or Passover? When one reads the Word, weknow that the feast of Pasach marks the death of Yeshua, and that 3 full days later on the first day he was raised. This as we wil see when we get there, would have been the feast of first fruits.
Here some othe web sights you find of interest.
NIMROD - JewishEncyclopedia.com
Nimrod and his religion; profane world; Babylon Mystery Religion; father Cush; wife was Semiramis; Baal, son, mood & stars worshp
Gen 10:8 Cush begot Nimrod; he began to be a mighty one on the earth.
Gen 10:9 He was a mighty hunter before the LORD; therefore it is said, “Like Nimrod the mighty hunter before the LORD.”
Ramban tells us that before Nimrod their was neither wars nor reigning monarchs. Nimrod subjugated the Babylonians until they crowned him, then moved into Assyria and built great cities.
A mighty hunter befoer the Lord. Rashi and most commentators interpret this figuratively. Nimrod ensnared men with his words, and incited them to rebel against HaShem. He was the forerunner of the hypocrite who drapes himself in robes of piety to deceive the masses.
There is however more to be learned of many things that are followed in some churches today. I know this is not going to a popler post, yet it must be placed out there if this is to be a study filled with truth. I will post web sights as I go, so that you may look for your self at the info that is placed before you.
Nimrod—Who was he? Was he godly or evil? • WebBible Encyclopedia • ChristianAnswers.Net
First, what does the name Nimrod mean? It comes from the Hebrew verb marad, meaning “rebel.” Adding an “n” before the “m” it becomes an infinitive construct, “Nimrod.” (see Kautzsch 1910: 137 2b, also BDB 1962: 597). The meaning then is “The Rebel.” Thus “Nimrod” may not be the character's name at all. It is more likely a derisive term of a type, a representative, of a system that is epitomized in rebellion against the Creator, the one true God. Rebellion began soon after the Flood as civilizations were restored. At that time this person became very prominent.
The person we are referring to found in extra-Biblical literature was Gilgamesh. The first clay tablets naming him were found among the ruins of the temple library of the god Nabu (Biblical Nebo) and the palace library of Ashurbanipal in Nineveh. Many others have been found since in a number of excavations. The author of the best treatise on the Gilgamesh Epic says,
The date of the composition of the Gilgamesh Epic can therefore be fixed at about 2000 BC. But the material contained on these tablets is undoubtedly much older, as we can infer from the mere fact that the epic consists of numerous originally independent episodes, which, of course, did not spring into existence at the time of the composition of our poem but must have been current long before they were compiled and woven together to form our epic (Alexander Heidel, 1963: 15).
https://romecorruptedchristianity.w...amily-created-god-the-father-and-god-the-son/
Nimrod married his own mother. After declaring himself to be a god, then his mother declared herself to be “the Mother of god”. Her name was Semiramis. After Nimrod’s death, she attempted to cover over her incenstuous relationship with her son – by declaring that he was both the Father and the Son.
Nimrod’s wife declared herself to be a moon-goddess. She gave herself glorious titles such as “queen of heaven” – “ever virgin” – “Mediatrix” and “mother of god”. She thus made herself into the perfect female image – by which all future goddesses were copied or molded after.
As one can find in the following web page,
The Babylonian Connection to Christmas
And many others, their are many baptized pagan holidays that followed today. They all got their start with Nimrod, his mother/wife, and Tammuz. Rather get into debate over how wrong I am, just for stating what is found, and may not even be my own teachings. I will just say, look them up.
First we come to what was christened christmas. The first evidence of this date being a holiday, points to the birth of Tammuz.
As we know the Bible gives little info that points to the time of Yeshua's birth, and never tells us the date. So lets look at what we do have,
Luk 2:8 Now there were in the same country shepherds living out in the fields, keeping watch over their flock by night.
Luk 2:10 Then the angel said to them, “Do not be afraid, for behold, I bring you good tidings of great joy which will be to all people.
Luk 2:11 “For there is born to you this day in the city of David a Savior, who is Christ the Lord.
As to the shepherds living in the fields, This would show that we have a time line that runs from around Mid March- late September early October. As the temperature would drop to near freezing in December, they would not be living in the fields, rather they would have the herds close to home, and tend them from there. In some cases, the sheep would be put in a barn that was attached to the house in some way. Some people lived above the barn, and others may have had them simply next to the house. This made it easy to keep them safe.
Luk 2:4 Joseph also went up from Galilee, out of the city of Nazareth, into Judea, to the city of David, which is called Bethlehem, because he was of the house and lineage of David,
Luk 2:5 to be registered with Mary, his betrothed wife, who was with child.
The Word doesn't tell us this was a feast, yet there is compelling evidance that the Romans used feast days to get things like this done. Be it registations and/or taxes. So lets follow the lead of others and place it with one of the pilgrom feast. Now we have Pasach,( passover) or Sukkot, ( booths). Though I see in the passages above reason to not place it on any feast, I am going to work with this. Of the 2 Sukkot would be the most logical. As teh spice traders would not have been fare enough down the road to get to Bethelham before Yeshua was close to 6 or 7 moths old. Meaning Yeshua would not have been in Bethelham when they got their. Sukkot being in Late September early October.
Easter or Passover? When one reads the Word, weknow that the feast of Pasach marks the death of Yeshua, and that 3 full days later on the first day he was raised. This as we wil see when we get there, would have been the feast of first fruits.
Here some othe web sights you find of interest.
NIMROD - JewishEncyclopedia.com
Nimrod and his religion; profane world; Babylon Mystery Religion; father Cush; wife was Semiramis; Baal, son, mood & stars worshp
Gen 11:1 Now the whole earth had one language and one speech.
Gen 11:4 And they said, “Come, let us build ourselves a city, and a tower whose top is in the heavens; let us make a name for ourselves, lest we be scattered abroad over the face of the whole earth.”
I am sure that many you have heard that prayer to be heard must be in Hebrew. I don't follow that as e will soon see, HaShem made all the languages of the earth, so it only stands to reason that He would know and understand them all.
As for the tower, there is one teaching that some may have heard. One of the Sages, tells us that Nimrod, wanted revenge for the flood, and all the people that lost their lives in it. So he started to build a tower, so that He could go into heaven and take that revenge. Sounds kind of out there if you ask me. Yet we never really know a mans heart, or the things that he may thinking.
Gen 11:6 And the LORD said, “Indeed the people are one and they all have one language, and this is what they begin to do; now nothing that they propose to do will be withheld from them.
So just why would HaShem say that nothing would be withheld from them? Was it that they had the greatest engineers in history, or maybe that they just had a drive to get it done? I asked this my self when I first started to really study the Word. Knowing that the Word gives us the answers we need, if one will simply study. Taking the Word for what it tells us, and not read anything into parts that seem to fit what we want. Here is what I found,
Mat 18:19 “Again I say to you that if two of you agree on earth concerning anything that they ask, it will be done for them by My Father in heaven.
As we know HaShem doesn't change, so if this is true today, would it not also have true for them?
Gen 11:7 “Come, let Us go down and there confuse their language, that they may not understand one another’s speech.”
Gen 11:8 So the LORD scattered them abroad from there over the face of all the earth, and they ceased building the city.
As pointed out, HaShem made every language on earth, so we know full well He understands them.
He scattered them. Some say this was done, as man was unwilling to fill the earth, rather wanted only to fill that one place. So HaShem scattered them, in order to help them fulfill the blessing He placed on man kind. Giving both one man, and one woman the same language, so that they would know the other was saying. In so doing, He made it possible for them to raise a family together. Giving rise to the many nations that one finds later in His Word.
Once more we find our self faced with genealogy. Yet is there any part of this that one should keep in mind? As we are looking at the blood line of Shem, We find that from Him comes Avram. The same hows name was changed to Avraham later in life.
Gen 11:26 Now Terah lived seventy years, and begot Abram, Nahor, and Haran.
Why should this be of importance? As we know when Noah blesed his son's, one was blessed to a higher degree than the other. I say the other as we know Canaan was not blessed at all.
Gen 9:26 And he said: “Blessed be the LORD, The God of Shem, And may Canaan be his servant.
When seen next to the blessing of Japheth,
Gen 9:27 May God enlarge Japheth, And may he dwell in the tents of Shem; And may Canaan be his servant.”
We see that HaShem was called the God of Seth, yet with Japheth, it was only asked that he be enlarged. Also we find that he would dwell in the tents of Shem. Some teach that is means Japheth would work for Seth, yet not as a slave. Rather that he would willing follow Seth, and it was hoped by Noah that Japheth, would learn to follow HaShem. This adds to the teaching of Gen. 9, when Seth and Japheth walked in backwards to cover Noah. It is said that Japheth started to walk in faceing Noah, Seth stoped him, and showed him the right way to do this. Also teaching Japheth how the Law worked in the lives of them that follow it by faith. As was pointed out Well I am sure it was anyway, as it is always a point that must be made. There may have been written Law at this time, yet the Law was in place. If not, then HaSHem would have been unjust in the flood, as well as in His dealing with Sodom.
I know this is short. I am in hopes of others that find genealogy of interest, and have a better grasp of it than I do, will add to this. Looking forward to seeing your teachings.
Gen 11:4 And they said, “Come, let us build ourselves a city, and a tower whose top is in the heavens; let us make a name for ourselves, lest we be scattered abroad over the face of the whole earth.”
I am sure that many you have heard that prayer to be heard must be in Hebrew. I don't follow that as e will soon see, HaShem made all the languages of the earth, so it only stands to reason that He would know and understand them all.
As for the tower, there is one teaching that some may have heard. One of the Sages, tells us that Nimrod, wanted revenge for the flood, and all the people that lost their lives in it. So he started to build a tower, so that He could go into heaven and take that revenge. Sounds kind of out there if you ask me. Yet we never really know a mans heart, or the things that he may thinking.
Gen 11:6 And the LORD said, “Indeed the people are one and they all have one language, and this is what they begin to do; now nothing that they propose to do will be withheld from them.
So just why would HaShem say that nothing would be withheld from them? Was it that they had the greatest engineers in history, or maybe that they just had a drive to get it done? I asked this my self when I first started to really study the Word. Knowing that the Word gives us the answers we need, if one will simply study. Taking the Word for what it tells us, and not read anything into parts that seem to fit what we want. Here is what I found,
Mat 18:19 “Again I say to you that if two of you agree on earth concerning anything that they ask, it will be done for them by My Father in heaven.
As we know HaShem doesn't change, so if this is true today, would it not also have true for them?
Gen 11:7 “Come, let Us go down and there confuse their language, that they may not understand one another’s speech.”
Gen 11:8 So the LORD scattered them abroad from there over the face of all the earth, and they ceased building the city.
As pointed out, HaShem made every language on earth, so we know full well He understands them.
He scattered them. Some say this was done, as man was unwilling to fill the earth, rather wanted only to fill that one place. So HaShem scattered them, in order to help them fulfill the blessing He placed on man kind. Giving both one man, and one woman the same language, so that they would know the other was saying. In so doing, He made it possible for them to raise a family together. Giving rise to the many nations that one finds later in His Word.
Once more we find our self faced with genealogy. Yet is there any part of this that one should keep in mind? As we are looking at the blood line of Shem, We find that from Him comes Avram. The same hows name was changed to Avraham later in life.
Gen 11:26 Now Terah lived seventy years, and begot Abram, Nahor, and Haran.
Why should this be of importance? As we know when Noah blesed his son's, one was blessed to a higher degree than the other. I say the other as we know Canaan was not blessed at all.
Gen 9:26 And he said: “Blessed be the LORD, The God of Shem, And may Canaan be his servant.
When seen next to the blessing of Japheth,
Gen 9:27 May God enlarge Japheth, And may he dwell in the tents of Shem; And may Canaan be his servant.”
We see that HaShem was called the God of Seth, yet with Japheth, it was only asked that he be enlarged. Also we find that he would dwell in the tents of Shem. Some teach that is means Japheth would work for Seth, yet not as a slave. Rather that he would willing follow Seth, and it was hoped by Noah that Japheth, would learn to follow HaShem. This adds to the teaching of Gen. 9, when Seth and Japheth walked in backwards to cover Noah. It is said that Japheth started to walk in faceing Noah, Seth stoped him, and showed him the right way to do this. Also teaching Japheth how the Law worked in the lives of them that follow it by faith. As was pointed out Well I am sure it was anyway, as it is always a point that must be made. There may have been written Law at this time, yet the Law was in place. If not, then HaSHem would have been unjust in the flood, as well as in His dealing with Sodom.
I know this is short. I am in hopes of others that find genealogy of interest, and have a better grasp of it than I do, will add to this. Looking forward to seeing your teachings.
Fear of the LORD? For anyone who has been quicken by the LORD to say his rebuke causes one to fear is an understatement. Try utter terror that literally feels as if your soul is being pulled out of your flesh which is probably the reason that sons of men faint dead. But I digress.
(The verse links you to a video on 'clouds' but I am sure you already know that the clouds are the hoary frost of heaven and the meaning thereof.)
However, you do understand that the LORD had placed Job in Satan's hand right?
So then why did the LORD say to Job in 38:2?
" Who is this that darkeneth counsel by words without knowledge?"
Since there was just Job and his three friends it should be easy enough find the answer.
"Gird up now thy loins like a man; for I will demand of thee, and answer thou me." JOB 38:3
But while looking in the Book of Job turn to verse 38:9 since the it is written in Genesis 9:14 - 16 that the LORD said "And it shall come to pass, when I bring a cloud over the earth, that the bow shall be seen in the cloud: John 15:26-27
And I will remember my covenant, which is between me and you and every living creature of all flesh; and the waters shall no more become a flood to destroy all flesh. And the arch shall be in the firmament called heaven so that when the LORD looks upon the earth that he will remember his everlasting covenant in Genesis 6:3.
In conclusion, the situation reminds me of John 3:16
(The verse links you to a video on 'clouds' but I am sure you already know that the clouds are the hoary frost of heaven and the meaning thereof.)
However, you do understand that the LORD had placed Job in Satan's hand right?
- And the LORD said unto Satan, Behold, all that he hath is in thy power; only upon himself put not forth thine hand. So Satan went forth from the presence of the LORD. Job 1:12
- So went Satan forth from the presence of the LORD, and smote Job with sore boils from the sole of his foot unto his crown. Job 2:7
- Now when Job's three friends heard of all this evil that was come upon him, they came every one from his own place; Eliphaz the Temanite, and Bildad the Shuhite, and Zophar the Naamathite: for they had made an appointment together to come to mourn with him and to comfort him. Job 2:11
- So they sat down with him upon the ground seven days and seven nights, and none spake a word unto him: for they saw that his grief was very great. Job 2:13
So then why did the LORD say to Job in 38:2?
" Who is this that darkeneth counsel by words without knowledge?"
Since there was just Job and his three friends it should be easy enough find the answer.
"Gird up now thy loins like a man; for I will demand of thee, and answer thou me." JOB 38:3
But while looking in the Book of Job turn to verse 38:9 since the it is written in Genesis 9:14 - 16 that the LORD said "And it shall come to pass, when I bring a cloud over the earth, that the bow shall be seen in the cloud: John 15:26-27
And I will remember my covenant, which is between me and you and every living creature of all flesh; and the waters shall no more become a flood to destroy all flesh. And the arch shall be in the firmament called heaven so that when the LORD looks upon the earth that he will remember his everlasting covenant in Genesis 6:3.
In conclusion, the situation reminds me of John 3:16
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God told humans to fill the earth, and subdue it.
but humans tend to want to congregate in cities instead of being scattered over the earth.
GENESIS 11:4 They said, “Come, let’s
build ourselves a city,
and a tower whose top reaches to the sky, and let’s make ourselves a name,
lest we be scattered abroad
on the surface of the whole earth.”
not often talked about idea from Torah , that it is better to live in the country in a kibbutz or something.
related idea
DEUTERONOMY 23:12 You shall have a place also outside of the camp where you go relieve yourself.
but humans tend to want to congregate in cities instead of being scattered over the earth.
GENESIS 11:4 They said, “Come, let’s
build ourselves a city,
and a tower whose top reaches to the sky, and let’s make ourselves a name,
lest we be scattered abroad
on the surface of the whole earth.”
not often talked about idea from Torah , that it is better to live in the country in a kibbutz or something.
related idea
DEUTERONOMY 23:12 You shall have a place also outside of the camp where you go relieve yourself.
You sure about that? The following is the text you posted from Genesis, chapter 9, correct?
11 Thus I establish My covenant with you: Never again shall all flesh be cut off by the waters of the flood; never again shall there be a flood to destroy the earth.”
12 And God said: “This is the sign of the covenant which I make between Me and you, and every living creature that is with you, for perpetual generations:
13 I set My rainbow in the cloud, and it shall be for the sign of the covenant between Me and the earth.
14 It shall be, when I bring a cloud over the earth, that the rainbow shall be seen in the cloud;
15 and I will remember My covenant which is between Me and you and every living creature of all flesh; the waters shall never again become a flood to destroy all flesh.
16 The rainbow shall be in the cloud, and I will look on it to remember the everlasting covenant between God and every living creature of all flesh that is on the earth.”
Now here are the same verses which were obtained from the NKJV copyright owner's website:
https://www.thomasnelsonbibles.com/nkjv/
11 I establish my covenant with you: Never again will all life be destroyed by the waters of a flood; never again will there be a flood to destroy the earth.”
12 And God said, “This is the sign of the covenant I am making between me and you and every living creature with you, a covenant for all generations to come:
13 I have set my rainbow in the clouds, and it will be the sign of the covenant between me and the earth.
14 Whenever I bring clouds over the earth and the rainbow appears in the clouds,
15 I will remember my covenant between me and you and all living creatures of every kind. Never again will the waters become a flood to destroy all life.
16 Whenever the rainbow appears in the clouds, I will see it and remember the everlasting covenant between God and all living creatures of every kind on the earth.”
New King James Version (NKJV)
Scripture taken from the New King James Version®. Copyright © 1982 by Thomas Nelson. Used by permission. All rights reserved.
Now please correct me if I am wrong, but am I hearing the different words?
I am blind in one eye and can't see out of the other so I try to not to presume what the meaning of what someone wrote is without hearing the words specifically responding to my question since it could easily lead to my translation being out of context since I don't see so good you know.
To be honest I don't know any of those individuals.
Gods are notorious for getting things wrong, I guess it is just the pnuema in them which moves them.
and there were seven lamps of fire burning before the throne, which are the seven Spirits of God. Rev 4:5
But as G. Washington is quoted, few men have the virtue to resist the higher bidder since many are called but few are chosen. Even Paul wrote, "...be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive;
But as far as the rainbow of the Gods, did your God know that it is the curvature of the atmosphere that the LORD formed around the surface of the earth that causes the beam of refracted light to appear as a visible muliticolored bow?
While light refraction results from light passing through the particles of water suspended in the atmosphere, neither in themselves are responsible for the curvature of the multicolored arch. Rather, the multicolor arch results from the curvature of the earth's atmosphere relative to one's position on the ground. If not for the curvature of the atmosphere, then the refracted light would simply travel along the new line of direction according to the angle it was refracted.
11 Thus I establish My covenant with you: Never again shall all flesh be cut off by the waters of the flood; never again shall there be a flood to destroy the earth.”
12 And God said: “This is the sign of the covenant which I make between Me and you, and every living creature that is with you, for perpetual generations:
13 I set My rainbow in the cloud, and it shall be for the sign of the covenant between Me and the earth.
14 It shall be, when I bring a cloud over the earth, that the rainbow shall be seen in the cloud;
15 and I will remember My covenant which is between Me and you and every living creature of all flesh; the waters shall never again become a flood to destroy all flesh.
16 The rainbow shall be in the cloud, and I will look on it to remember the everlasting covenant between God and every living creature of all flesh that is on the earth.”
Now here are the same verses which were obtained from the NKJV copyright owner's website:
https://www.thomasnelsonbibles.com/nkjv/
11 I establish my covenant with you: Never again will all life be destroyed by the waters of a flood; never again will there be a flood to destroy the earth.”
12 And God said, “This is the sign of the covenant I am making between me and you and every living creature with you, a covenant for all generations to come:
13 I have set my rainbow in the clouds, and it will be the sign of the covenant between me and the earth.
14 Whenever I bring clouds over the earth and the rainbow appears in the clouds,
15 I will remember my covenant between me and you and all living creatures of every kind. Never again will the waters become a flood to destroy all life.
16 Whenever the rainbow appears in the clouds, I will see it and remember the everlasting covenant between God and all living creatures of every kind on the earth.”
New King James Version (NKJV)
Scripture taken from the New King James Version®. Copyright © 1982 by Thomas Nelson. Used by permission. All rights reserved.
Now please correct me if I am wrong, but am I hearing the different words?
I am blind in one eye and can't see out of the other so I try to not to presume what the meaning of what someone wrote is without hearing the words specifically responding to my question since it could easily lead to my translation being out of context since I don't see so good you know.
To be honest I don't know any of those individuals.
Gods are notorious for getting things wrong, I guess it is just the pnuema in them which moves them.
and there were seven lamps of fire burning before the throne, which are the seven Spirits of God. Rev 4:5
But as G. Washington is quoted, few men have the virtue to resist the higher bidder since many are called but few are chosen. Even Paul wrote, "...be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive;
But as far as the rainbow of the Gods, did your God know that it is the curvature of the atmosphere that the LORD formed around the surface of the earth that causes the beam of refracted light to appear as a visible muliticolored bow?
While light refraction results from light passing through the particles of water suspended in the atmosphere, neither in themselves are responsible for the curvature of the multicolored arch. Rather, the multicolor arch results from the curvature of the earth's atmosphere relative to one's position on the ground. If not for the curvature of the atmosphere, then the refracted light would simply travel along the new line of direction according to the angle it was refracted.
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There is only one God, and that is Yehway (as most say it anyway)
I don't know everyone that post or if they can see or not. It is not something that any post to a person the first time they talk with htem,, so no i didn't know. I also am not sure what you want you want me to do about it.
As for the NKJ, yes I am 100% sure. It was copied and paste from Blue letter Bible, click on the Bule part that gives the pasage and you will see.
Last. I am not going to wast my time with people that seem to be looking for a fight, so this will be my last reply to any of this kind. If you don't know the Patriarch's, Then it is clear that you have not read the Bible, much less Gen. So how may I ask can you hope to fond solid ground to build any form of acquisition against any that do post one this thread?
I don't know everyone that post or if they can see or not. It is not something that any post to a person the first time they talk with htem,, so no i didn't know. I also am not sure what you want you want me to do about it.
As for the NKJ, yes I am 100% sure. It was copied and paste from Blue letter Bible, click on the Bule part that gives the pasage and you will see.
Last. I am not going to wast my time with people that seem to be looking for a fight, so this will be my last reply to any of this kind. If you don't know the Patriarch's, Then it is clear that you have not read the Bible, much less Gen. So how may I ask can you hope to fond solid ground to build any form of acquisition against any that do post one this thread?
True the Torah does end with Duet. However the teachings of it don't. I am starting to think the way I worded the title is unclear. This is a study of Torah, and it's teachings, from cover to cover. NO big really, you are not the first to misunderstand the title. Sorry about the confusion I may have created with my wording.
Gen 12:1 ¶Now the LORD had said to Abram: “Get out of your country, From your family And from your father’s house, To a land that I will show you.
Gen 12:2 I will make you a great nation; I will bless you And make your name great; And you shall be a blessing.
Gen 12:3
I will bless those who bless you, And I will curse him who curses you; And in you all the families of the earth shall be blessed.”
Once more we find a promise made. Gen.12:3, If one was to look at back at the history of the USA, looking closely at the ups and downs, they would find that when we stood with Israel, we lived the good life. Just to give a little of what I mean. 1930's the USA had turned a blind eye to what was going on in Israel. The Brits, had control over Israel, and held the mandate that the Jewish people were to remain unarmed, yet they said nothing about the Arab's being armed. The USA feel into what is called the great depression.
In or around 1038 Hitler started killing Jews, the USA said no to any refugees coming into the USA. Well stopped the Jewish people from coming anyway. This as best I know also marked the lowest point of the depression. I may wrong on that. Knowing what ws going on, and that Hitler was killing so many Jewish people, the USA voted to stay out of the war. Until 1941, when we were forced into it by Japan. Oddly this also marked the end of the depression. Just as it marked the USA fighting in Europe.
What came from the end of the war? The US now formed an alliance with Israel, England on the other hand, stayed the cores, and remained some what indifferent where Israel was censured. England lost it's standing as a world currency, the USA found new found riches in picking up where England had fallen.
What does this prove? Only that if one keeps looking, or if you read the Book, Eye To Eye, that every time a nation turns it's back on Israel, they suffer. Look at how well we did under Regain, then how badly we did under Obummer. This all goes to show that this promise is still in effect to this day.
Gen 12:4 So Abram departed as the LORD had spoken to him, and Lot went with him. And Abram was seventy-five years old when he departed from Haran.
Gen 12:5 Then Abram took Sarai his wife and Lot his brother’s son, and all their possessions that they had gathered, and the people whom they had acquired in Haran, and they departed to go to the land of Canaan. So they came to the land of Canaan.
Once more find that Faith is not shown by asking who are you, what do mean, leave and do what, how do I know you will keep me safe, and so on. NO Avram showed his faith by hearing, then obeying. No questions just up and followed on faith. As we all know, this faith lead to,
Gen 15:6 And he believed in the LORD, and He accounted it to him for righteousness.
Gal 3:6 just as Abraham “believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.”
So what we should think about as we study the Word, is just how salvation was given by faith, when that faith was seen by the works of them that believed. We can see that it had nothing to with any sacrifice, or trying to follow the letter of the Law, It did however have everything to with hearing, that lead to faith, that was shown by obedience.
So does faith still come by hearing?
Jas 2:17 Thus also faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead.
Jas 2:18 But someone will say, “You have faith, and I have works.” Show me your faith without your works, and I will show you my faith by my works.
Jas 2:24 You see then that a man is justified by works, and not by faith only.
Also if one looks to Rev, we find,
Rev 12:17 And the dragon was enraged with the woman, and he went to make war with the rest of her offspring, who keep the commandments of God and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
Rev 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints; here are those who keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus.
As one should note, both faith and works are named in all the above. We should also take heed that In Rev. a book written in or around, 90 AD. Some place it around 65-70. Still others around 80-85. That the Keeping of HaShems law, make Satan a little more than upset. That is when it is also in line with Faith.
Now before anyone tries to turn this into a debate, I have already stated that I am not going to be drug into that. True you can still become disruptive, as some do with every thread of this kind. All to show what, that you hold no respect for others, and wish only to teach your own way of thinking? You have many threads to go vent on, so please, show the kind of love that Yeshua would show, and respect any study of his word, even if it doesn't line up with yours. Or you can steep up, and show that you love your own teaching so much, that to even look at any other, brings out the love of Satan in you.
Gen 12:7 Then the LORD appeared to Abram and said, “To your descendants I will give this land.” And there he built an altar to the LORD, who had appeared to him.
Abram built a lot of alters, some He offered sacrifices on, some he didn't. This not saying that we know everything he did, that would be like saying you know everything about me, when in fact you know only that I have a love for the Word, and a need to study it. Oh should also know that I make it clear I don't know everything. I am more than willing to say I may be wrong, or say I don't know I am hoping for some one with an understanding to help out. After all I have done all this more than once in this one thread.
Gen 12:10 Now there was a famine in the land, and Abram went down to Egypt to dwell there, for the famine was severe in the land.
Gen 12:11 And it came to pass, when he was close to entering Egypt, that he said to Sarai his wife, “Indeed I know that you are a woman of beautiful countenance.
Gen 12:12 “Therefore it will happen, when the Egyptians see you, that they will say, ‘This is his wife’; and they will kill me, but they will let you live.
Gen 12:13 “Please say you are my sister, that it may be well with me for your sake, and that I may live because of you.”
Rashi, argued that when a stranger comes to town, the proper thing to do would be to inquire if he needs food and drink, not whether his female companion is a married woman, and hence as Abimelech did the latter, it tipped off Abraham to the fact that there is no fear of God in this place, and so he lied about his relationship with Sarah in order to avoid being killed. Consequently, it could be argued that the parallel behaviour results from this lack of fear of God by the antagonists in the other two similar situations.
Gen 12:15 The princes of Pharaoh also saw her and commended her to Pharaoh. And the woman was taken to Pharaoh’s house.
Gen 12:16 He treated Abram well for her sake. He had sheep, oxen, male donkeys, male and female servants, female donkeys, and camels.
Gen 12:17 But the LORD plagued Pharaoh and his house with great plagues because of Sarai, Abram’s wife.
Gen 12:18 And Pharaoh called Abram and said, “What is this you have done to me? Why did you not tell me that she was your wife?
Gen 12:19 “Why did you say, ‘She is my sister’? I might have taken her as my wife. Now therefore, here is your wife; take her and go your way.”
It is good to note the work of HaShem in this story. Pharaoh was spared the sin of taking Sarai, by HaShem's intervention. Something that we may all have seen i our own lives. Taking a different way home, or having a flat tire, may well have been HaShem looking out for us. To keep us from walking into temptation, or having an accident. If things had went the way they always do, we have no way of knowing what may have come from it. I do know that as an OTR driver, I had stopped to Fix a broken strap, Took me like 2 minutes to replace it, in that time, there was a really bad accident on the road. One that took me 2 minutes to get to, after I got rolling.
I do so look forward to seeing what others may think on this. If not, then hay I am going to just keep on keeping on.
Gen 12:2 I will make you a great nation; I will bless you And make your name great; And you shall be a blessing.
Gen 12:3
I will bless those who bless you, And I will curse him who curses you; And in you all the families of the earth shall be blessed.”
Once more we find a promise made. Gen.12:3, If one was to look at back at the history of the USA, looking closely at the ups and downs, they would find that when we stood with Israel, we lived the good life. Just to give a little of what I mean. 1930's the USA had turned a blind eye to what was going on in Israel. The Brits, had control over Israel, and held the mandate that the Jewish people were to remain unarmed, yet they said nothing about the Arab's being armed. The USA feel into what is called the great depression.
In or around 1038 Hitler started killing Jews, the USA said no to any refugees coming into the USA. Well stopped the Jewish people from coming anyway. This as best I know also marked the lowest point of the depression. I may wrong on that. Knowing what ws going on, and that Hitler was killing so many Jewish people, the USA voted to stay out of the war. Until 1941, when we were forced into it by Japan. Oddly this also marked the end of the depression. Just as it marked the USA fighting in Europe.
What came from the end of the war? The US now formed an alliance with Israel, England on the other hand, stayed the cores, and remained some what indifferent where Israel was censured. England lost it's standing as a world currency, the USA found new found riches in picking up where England had fallen.
What does this prove? Only that if one keeps looking, or if you read the Book, Eye To Eye, that every time a nation turns it's back on Israel, they suffer. Look at how well we did under Regain, then how badly we did under Obummer. This all goes to show that this promise is still in effect to this day.
Gen 12:4 So Abram departed as the LORD had spoken to him, and Lot went with him. And Abram was seventy-five years old when he departed from Haran.
Gen 12:5 Then Abram took Sarai his wife and Lot his brother’s son, and all their possessions that they had gathered, and the people whom they had acquired in Haran, and they departed to go to the land of Canaan. So they came to the land of Canaan.
Once more find that Faith is not shown by asking who are you, what do mean, leave and do what, how do I know you will keep me safe, and so on. NO Avram showed his faith by hearing, then obeying. No questions just up and followed on faith. As we all know, this faith lead to,
Gen 15:6 And he believed in the LORD, and He accounted it to him for righteousness.
Gal 3:6 just as Abraham “believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.”
So what we should think about as we study the Word, is just how salvation was given by faith, when that faith was seen by the works of them that believed. We can see that it had nothing to with any sacrifice, or trying to follow the letter of the Law, It did however have everything to with hearing, that lead to faith, that was shown by obedience.
So does faith still come by hearing?
Jas 2:17 Thus also faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead.
Jas 2:18 But someone will say, “You have faith, and I have works.” Show me your faith without your works, and I will show you my faith by my works.
Jas 2:24 You see then that a man is justified by works, and not by faith only.
Also if one looks to Rev, we find,
Rev 12:17 And the dragon was enraged with the woman, and he went to make war with the rest of her offspring, who keep the commandments of God and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
Rev 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints; here are those who keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus.
As one should note, both faith and works are named in all the above. We should also take heed that In Rev. a book written in or around, 90 AD. Some place it around 65-70. Still others around 80-85. That the Keeping of HaShems law, make Satan a little more than upset. That is when it is also in line with Faith.
Now before anyone tries to turn this into a debate, I have already stated that I am not going to be drug into that. True you can still become disruptive, as some do with every thread of this kind. All to show what, that you hold no respect for others, and wish only to teach your own way of thinking? You have many threads to go vent on, so please, show the kind of love that Yeshua would show, and respect any study of his word, even if it doesn't line up with yours. Or you can steep up, and show that you love your own teaching so much, that to even look at any other, brings out the love of Satan in you.
Gen 12:7 Then the LORD appeared to Abram and said, “To your descendants I will give this land.” And there he built an altar to the LORD, who had appeared to him.
Abram built a lot of alters, some He offered sacrifices on, some he didn't. This not saying that we know everything he did, that would be like saying you know everything about me, when in fact you know only that I have a love for the Word, and a need to study it. Oh should also know that I make it clear I don't know everything. I am more than willing to say I may be wrong, or say I don't know I am hoping for some one with an understanding to help out. After all I have done all this more than once in this one thread.
Gen 12:10 Now there was a famine in the land, and Abram went down to Egypt to dwell there, for the famine was severe in the land.
Gen 12:11 And it came to pass, when he was close to entering Egypt, that he said to Sarai his wife, “Indeed I know that you are a woman of beautiful countenance.
Gen 12:12 “Therefore it will happen, when the Egyptians see you, that they will say, ‘This is his wife’; and they will kill me, but they will let you live.
Gen 12:13 “Please say you are my sister, that it may be well with me for your sake, and that I may live because of you.”
Rashi, argued that when a stranger comes to town, the proper thing to do would be to inquire if he needs food and drink, not whether his female companion is a married woman, and hence as Abimelech did the latter, it tipped off Abraham to the fact that there is no fear of God in this place, and so he lied about his relationship with Sarah in order to avoid being killed. Consequently, it could be argued that the parallel behaviour results from this lack of fear of God by the antagonists in the other two similar situations.
Gen 12:15 The princes of Pharaoh also saw her and commended her to Pharaoh. And the woman was taken to Pharaoh’s house.
Gen 12:16 He treated Abram well for her sake. He had sheep, oxen, male donkeys, male and female servants, female donkeys, and camels.
Gen 12:17 But the LORD plagued Pharaoh and his house with great plagues because of Sarai, Abram’s wife.
Gen 12:18 And Pharaoh called Abram and said, “What is this you have done to me? Why did you not tell me that she was your wife?
Gen 12:19 “Why did you say, ‘She is my sister’? I might have taken her as my wife. Now therefore, here is your wife; take her and go your way.”
It is good to note the work of HaShem in this story. Pharaoh was spared the sin of taking Sarai, by HaShem's intervention. Something that we may all have seen i our own lives. Taking a different way home, or having a flat tire, may well have been HaShem looking out for us. To keep us from walking into temptation, or having an accident. If things had went the way they always do, we have no way of knowing what may have come from it. I do know that as an OTR driver, I had stopped to Fix a broken strap, Took me like 2 minutes to replace it, in that time, there was a really bad accident on the road. One that took me 2 minutes to get to, after I got rolling.
I do so look forward to seeing what others may think on this. If not, then hay I am going to just keep on keeping on.
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Yes, God does tell Abe about the 400 years, after saying
GENESIS 15:7 to give you this land to inherit it.
he says
GENESIS 15:13 Know for sure that your seed will live as foreigners in a land that is not theirs, and will serve them.
They will afflict them four hundred years.
so, if God makes you a promise, he will do it,
but maybe not in your lifetime.
GENESIS 15:7 to give you this land to inherit it.
he says
GENESIS 15:13 Know for sure that your seed will live as foreigners in a land that is not theirs, and will serve them.
They will afflict them four hundred years.
so, if God makes you a promise, he will do it,
but maybe not in your lifetime.