God's Commandment For Women Not To Speak In Church

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It should be noted that God has used women in outreach ministry and so they are allowed to post in christian forums.

But it is time to discern with the Lord in according to His words why women are commanded not to speak in church. The importance of this should add another line of discernment as to why His gift of tongues would not be manifested in women in church.

1 Timothy 2:[SUP]11 [/SUP]Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection.[SUP] 12 [/SUP]But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.[SUP]13 [/SUP]For Adam was first formed, then Eve.[SUP]14 [/SUP]And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.

I get the reference that because Adam was created first before Eve, and since he heard the commandment not to eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, whereas after Eve was created, she heard that commandment from Adam, man was to receive the word of God first and pass it on to the women. The fault in the fall of man was that man listened to the woman as referenced above.

Again, we get that referenced below as being a commandment from the Lord.

1 Corinthians 14:[SUP]34 [/SUP]Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience as also saith the law.[SUP]35 [/SUP]And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.[SUP] 36 [/SUP]What? came the word of God out from you? or came it unto you only?[SUP] 37 [/SUP]If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the commandments of the Lord.[SUP]38 [/SUP]But if any man be ignorant, let him be ignorant.

There is more.

1 Corinthians 11:3But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God.

Ephesians 4:15 But speaking the truth in love, may grow up into him in all things, which is the head, even Christ:

Ephesians 5:[SUP]22[/SUP]Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord.[SUP] 23 [/SUP]For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body.[SUP]24 [/SUP]Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in every thing.

Why was it a commandment since the fall? God said so.

Genesis 3:[SUP]16 [/SUP]Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee.

Now les any husband or pastor as a husband thinks about abusing his authority over the wife.... do remember this;

Matthew 25:[SUP]40 [/SUP]And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.

AND...

1 Corinthians 7:[SUP]32 [/SUP]But I would have you without carefulness. He that is unmarried careth for the things that belong to the Lord, how he may please the Lord:[SUP] 33 [/SUP]But he that is married careth for the things that are of the world, how he may please his wife.[SUP]34 [/SUP]There is difference also between a wife and a virgin. The unmarried woman careth for the things of the Lord, that she may be holy both in body and in spirit: but she that is married careth for the things of the world, how she may please her husband.

Finally... in closing....for the godly husbands

Ephesians 5:
[SUP]25 [/SUP]Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it;[SUP]26 [/SUP]That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word,[SUP]27 [/SUP]That he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish.[SUP] 28 [/SUP]So ought men to love their wives as their own bodies. He that loveth his wife loveth himself.[SUP] 29 [/SUP]For no man ever yet hated his own flesh; but nourisheth and cherisheth it, even as the Lord the church:[SUP]30 [/SUP]For we are members of his body, of his flesh, and of his bones.[SUP] 31 [/SUP]For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and shall be joined unto his wife, and they two shall be one flesh.[SUP] 32 [/SUP]This is a great mystery: but I speak concerning Christ and the church.[SUP]33 [/SUP]Nevertheless let every one of you in particular so love his wife even as himself; and the wife see that she reverence her husband.

That is the order and decency of things as to why the Lord commanded women not to speak in church.

And since that is His commandment, then that is NOT the Holy Spirit manifesting tongues without interpretation in women in church. God does not break His own commandment. That is another line of discernment for tongue speakers, both male and female that defends tongues without interpretation, to take it to Jesus at that throne of grace and pray normally, asking for wisdom & discernment over this tongue which comes with no interpretation.

Again, as a reminder, God uses women in outreach ministry and as missionaries & so they are allowed to edify in christian forums. May God cause the increase this day.
 
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I find it staggering that some people still keep trying to apply that comment to today's culture.
 

John146

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I find it staggering that some people still keep trying to apply that comment to today's culture.
Agree or disagree, but culture never dictates the word of God. The word of God should dictate the culture.
 

loveme1

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It should be noted that God has used women in outreach ministry and so they are allowed to post in christian forums.

But it is time to discern with the Lord in according to His words why women are commanded not to speak in church. The importance of this should add another line of discernment as to why His gift of tongues would not be manifested in women in church.

1 Timothy 2:[SUP]11 [/SUP]Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection.[SUP] 12 [/SUP]But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.[SUP]13 [/SUP]For Adam was first formed, then Eve.[SUP]14 [/SUP]And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.

I get the reference that because Adam was created first before Eve, and since he heard the commandment not to eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, whereas after Eve was created, she heard that commandment from Adam, man was to receive the word of God first and pass it on to the women. The fault in the fall of man was that man listened to the woman as referenced above.

Again, we get that referenced below as being a commandment from the Lord.

1 Corinthians 14:[SUP]34 [/SUP]Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience as also saith the law.[SUP]35 [/SUP]And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.[SUP] 36 [/SUP]What? came the word of God out from you? or came it unto you only?[SUP] 37 [/SUP]If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the commandments of the Lord.[SUP]38 [/SUP]But if any man be ignorant, let him be ignorant.

There is more.

1 Corinthians 11:3But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God.

Ephesians 4:15 But speaking the truth in love, may grow up into him in all things, which is the head, even Christ:

Ephesians 5:[SUP]22[/SUP]Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord.[SUP] 23 [/SUP]For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body.[SUP]24 [/SUP]Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in every thing.

Why was it a commandment since the fall? God said so.

Genesis 3:[SUP]16 [/SUP]Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee.

Now les any husband or pastor as a husband thinks about abusing his authority over the wife.... do remember this;

Matthew 25:[SUP]40 [/SUP]And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.

AND...

1 Corinthians 7:[SUP]32 [/SUP]But I would have you without carefulness. He that is unmarried careth for the things that belong to the Lord, how he may please the Lord:[SUP] 33 [/SUP]But he that is married careth for the things that are of the world, how he may please his wife.[SUP]34 [/SUP]There is difference also between a wife and a virgin. The unmarried woman careth for the things of the Lord, that she may be holy both in body and in spirit: but she that is married careth for the things of the world, how she may please her husband.

Finally... in closing....for the godly husbands

Ephesians 5:
[SUP]25 [/SUP]Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it;[SUP]26 [/SUP]That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word,[SUP]27 [/SUP]That he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish.[SUP] 28 [/SUP]So ought men to love their wives as their own bodies. He that loveth his wife loveth himself.[SUP] 29 [/SUP]For no man ever yet hated his own flesh; but nourisheth and cherisheth it, even as the Lord the church:[SUP]30 [/SUP]For we are members of his body, of his flesh, and of his bones.[SUP] 31 [/SUP]For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and shall be joined unto his wife, and they two shall be one flesh.[SUP] 32 [/SUP]This is a great mystery: but I speak concerning Christ and the church.[SUP]33 [/SUP]Nevertheless let every one of you in particular so love his wife even as himself; and the wife see that she reverence her husband.

That is the order and decency of things as to why the Lord commanded women not to speak in church.

And since that is His commandment, then that is NOT the Holy Spirit manifesting tongues without interpretation in women in church. God does not break His own commandment. That is another line of discernment for tongue speakers, both male and female that defends tongues without interpretation, to take it to Jesus at that throne of grace and pray normally, asking for wisdom & discernment over this tongue which comes with no interpretation.

Again, as a reminder, God uses women in outreach ministry and as missionaries & so they are allowed to edify in christian forums. May God cause the increase this day.

What law are you burdening yourself with here?
 
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Agree or disagree, but culture never dictates the word of God. The word of God should dictate the culture.
Go read who that letter was addressed to, and read to. We really should not try to make doctrine out of every word spoken to people at those churches.
 

Zen

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I find it staggering that some people still keep trying to apply that comment to today's culture.
Modern women are horrible. I find it staggering that men don't beat sense in to women any more.
 

John146

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Go read who that letter was addressed to, and read to. We really should not try to make doctrine out of every word spoken to people at those churches.
Paul's writings are to the church, the body of Christ in any age. What is applicable for the church, the body of believers at Corinth, Philippi, Ephesus, Thessalonica, etc...is applicable to the church, the body of believers today. We cannot pick and choose what is applicable and what is not according to our liking.
 

John146

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I find it staggering that some people still keep trying to apply that comment to today's culture.
When culture dictates that being gay is acceptable and honorable, then we ignore all the Scripture concerning sodomites? Culture never, never dictates the word of God.
 

loveme1

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Modern women are horrible. I find it staggering that men don't beat sense in to women any more.
That is a terrible thing to say.
 

WineRose

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Modern women are horrible. I find it staggering that men don't beat sense in to women any more.
...Please take a good...long...read...at what you just typed...that sounds very wrong...
 
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It should be noted that God has used women in outreach ministry and so they are allowed to post in christian forums.

But it is time to discern with the Lord in according to His words why women are commanded not to speak in church. The importance of this should add another line of discernment as to why His gift of tongues would not be manifested in women in church.

1 Timothy 2:[SUP]11 [/SUP]Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection.[SUP] 12 [/SUP]But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.[SUP]13 [/SUP]For Adam was first formed, then Eve.[SUP]14 [/SUP]And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.

I get the reference that because Adam was created first before Eve, and since he heard the commandment not to eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, whereas after Eve was created, she heard that commandment from Adam, man was to receive the word of God first and pass it on to the women. The fault in the fall of man was that man listened to the woman as referenced above.

Again, we get that referenced below as being a commandment from the Lord.

1 Corinthians 14:[SUP]34 [/SUP]Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience as also saith the law.[SUP]35 [/SUP]And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.[SUP] 36 [/SUP]What? came the word of God out from you? or came it unto you only?[SUP] 37 [/SUP]If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the commandments of the Lord.[SUP]38 [/SUP]But if any man be ignorant, let him be ignorant.

There is more.

1 Corinthians 11:3But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God.

Ephesians 4:15 But speaking the truth in love, may grow up into him in all things, which is the head, even Christ:

Ephesians 5:[SUP]22[/SUP]Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord.[SUP] 23 [/SUP]For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body.[SUP]24 [/SUP]Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in every thing.

Why was it a commandment since the fall? God said so.

Genesis 3:[SUP]16 [/SUP]Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee.

Now les any husband or pastor as a husband thinks about abusing his authority over the wife.... do remember this;

Matthew 25:[SUP]40 [/SUP]And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.

AND...

1 Corinthians 7:[SUP]32 [/SUP]But I would have you without carefulness. He that is unmarried careth for the things that belong to the Lord, how he may please the Lord:[SUP] 33 [/SUP]But he that is married careth for the things that are of the world, how he may please his wife.[SUP]34 [/SUP]There is difference also between a wife and a virgin. The unmarried woman careth for the things of the Lord, that she may be holy both in body and in spirit: but she that is married careth for the things of the world, how she may please her husband.

Finally... in closing....for the godly husbands

Ephesians 5:
[SUP]25 [/SUP]Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it;[SUP]26 [/SUP]That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word,[SUP]27 [/SUP]That he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish.[SUP] 28 [/SUP]So ought men to love their wives as their own bodies. He that loveth his wife loveth himself.[SUP] 29 [/SUP]For no man ever yet hated his own flesh; but nourisheth and cherisheth it, even as the Lord the church:[SUP]30 [/SUP]For we are members of his body, of his flesh, and of his bones.[SUP] 31 [/SUP]For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and shall be joined unto his wife, and they two shall be one flesh.[SUP] 32 [/SUP]This is a great mystery: but I speak concerning Christ and the church.[SUP]33 [/SUP]Nevertheless let every one of you in particular so love his wife even as himself; and the wife see that she reverence her husband.

That is the order and decency of things as to why the Lord commanded women not to speak in church.

And since that is His commandment, then that is NOT the Holy Spirit manifesting tongues without interpretation in women in church. God does not break His own commandment. That is another line of discernment for tongue speakers, both male and female that defends tongues without interpretation, to take it to Jesus at that throne of grace and pray normally, asking for wisdom & discernment over this tongue which comes with no interpretation.

Again, as a reminder, God uses women in outreach ministry and as missionaries & so they are allowed to edify in christian forums. May God cause the increase this day.
I don't consider Paul's teachings to be commandments. After all, it was Paul who told us we were not under the law.
 
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What law are you burdening yourself with here?
Even the writings of Paul are considered law these days? Smh. At this rate all we will have left of the bible is Ephesians 2:8-9 (not 10 though thats law) and john 3:16 (not 36 though its law)
 
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I find it staggering that some people still keep trying to apply that comment to today's culture.
How do you discern what applies and what doesn't? Let me guess, whatever you feel like thats how.
 

Zmouth

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I don't consider Paul's teachings to be commandments. After all, it was Paul who told us we were not under the law.

And we have confidence in the Lord touching you, that ye both do and will do the things which we command you.
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How do you discern what applies and what doesn't? Let me guess, whatever you feel like thats how.
Then, you stone rebellious children? Or do you do some common sense discerning about that verse?

In fact, every one of you law keepers should carry a sack full of stones to kill people.
 
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NoNameMcgee

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Romans 12:2
2 And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.


Proverbs 12:1

“Whoso loveth instruction loveth knowledge: but he that hateth reproof is brutish.”
 
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CaptainGoat

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Regarding women not speaking in church...One can try telling this to ones pastor but would she agree? :D
 
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NoNameMcgee

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Modern women are horrible. I find it staggering that men don't beat sense in to women any more.
someone must have knocked the sense outta you
 
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CaptainGoat

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Then, you stone rebellious children? Or do you do some common sense discerning about that verse?

In fact, every one of you law keepers should carry a sack full of stones to kill people.

A sack full? Is your aim that bad? :D