The Olivet Discourse

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miknik5

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Who are the two beings cast into the lake of fire?
it is SOECIFICALLY two men: false prophet and beast (and we know that this is just an adjective to describe THE ANTICHRIST whom
"the dragon" gave his power to
 

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The first horseman (on the white horse) represents religious deception
The deceived followers of the man on the white horse “go forth conquering and to conquer”
based on their erroneous belief that the white horseman is Jesus Christ. In fact, he is Satan
disguising himself as Christ (2?Corinthians 11:14). This leads directly into, and overlaps with,
the second horseman of the apocalypse: war!

Matthew 24 refers to:
1) a first typical fulfillment in a.d.?70;
2) a long-term condition prevailing from a.d. 70 until now; and
3) an end-time anti-typical fulfillment yet ahead.
It is this last type that you and I are staring straight in the face!

John’s vision, revealed by Jesus Christ and recorded for us today in Revelation 6:1-8,
differs only slightly from the Olivet prophecy in Matthew 24 and the other Gospel accounts.

Josephus describes in graphic detail the wars and resultant famine and plagues in Jerusalem
about a.d.70, almost 40 years after the Olivet prophecy was first given.
Josephus’s Wars of the Jews, tells of thousands of Jews being impaled by the Romans.

Yes, what Christ said in Matthew 24 indeed had a typical fulfillment in a.d.?70.
But John’s vision was recorded 20 years after the city’s fall and the temple’s destruction.

Nothing in it speaks of historical fulfillment or events occurring in John’s day.
Instead, it is referring to a future completion immediately ahead of us.

An End-Time Message ,Revelation is clearly a book for the end time.
Revelation 9:16 mentions a standing army of about 200 million men.

Even the context of Matthew 24 shows that the ultimate fulfillment of these prophecies
is still ahead. Verses 21-22 show that Christ’s message would apply at a time when
human annihilation was a very real threat.

the second horseman (on the red horse) represents war (Revelation 6:1-4).
When peace is gone, there is only war. The man on the red horse plainly represents war.

In Matthew 24:6-7, Christ said, “And ye shall hear of wars and rumours
of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass,
but the end is not yet.
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The third horseman, riding a black horse, symbolizes famine. In Matthew, Mark
and Luke, Christ was speaking of general famine, set against the backdrop of war.
depicting famine, follows directly behind war.

Examples of war-induced famines are recorded for us (2Kings 25; Jeremiah 52;
Isaiah 14:30; 51:13; Jeremiah 16:4; 44:27).

The Jewish historian Josephus recorded a Roman siege on Jerusalem that produced
a famine so great that the masses resorted to cannibalism in the so-called city of peace

The Middle Ages, the first several hundred years after the first millennium a.d., are also
known as the Dark Ages. Entire cities experienced starvation followed by killer diseases.

Thousands of dead bodies could not be disposed of quickly enough. Rats spread bubonic plague
throughout all of Europe. War, one example being the Thirty Years’ War (1618-1648),
was again the main culprit. Whole cities were leveled with starvation so severe that some
even resorted to cannibalism! You may read the many historical accounts for yourself.

Immediately following, and as a direct result of worldwide religious deception and World War3,
the first and second horsemen respectively, a great famine, like none before it or ever again,
will strike this Earth with frightening force and fury. This time, instead of only affecting war-torn
regions or the Third World, it will affect the First World nations
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The first is religious deception, next is war, then famine.

With the fourth, pestilence, these horsemen represent the final, end-time culmination of the
most traumatic problems endured by a rebellious mankind. They picture one of the most
ominous scenarios ever.

The context mentions two of the other horsemen—war and famine.

The key word to its identity is the word pale, which often makes us think of someone
who is feeling sick, having an anemic-looking appearance. Pale is translated from the
Greek chloros, which we would normally take to mean the color of chlorophyll, the
property that gives plants their healthy green appearance. When used biblically,
however, chloros means the sickly pale green color of sickness and disease.

Other biblical translations describe the pale horse as an ash-colored horse, a horse sickly
green, a horse sickly pale and an ashy pale horse. We have continually stressed throughout
that we should look to Christ the Revelator to explain these seals and symbols. He provides
us with the most correct word to unlock the true identity of this pale green horse which man’s
best translations cannot: “and there shall be?…?pestilences” (Matthew 24:7).

The man on the pale horse symbolizes climactic, globe-encircling plagues and pandemics
occurring and soon to occur in this modern age!

Look up pestilence in any Bible concordance and you will be amazed by the link
between the second, third and fourth horsemen representing war, famine and pestilence
(Jeremiah 21:9; 27:13; 29:17-18; 32:24; 34:17; 38:2; 42:16-17; 44:13).

These three horsemen derive their origin directly from the first horseman of religious deception,
in a way these riders have been ongoing , like in a loop, but the hooves keep getting louder
 
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miknik5

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Please be specific and don't change the WORD of GOD in revelation 19
 

miknik5

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Revelation 19:20 to be exact

i have been saying revelation 20 and I just now realized my error.

The beast snd the false prophet on are cast into the lake of fire

the two...both...alive


this is not a kingdom or a numbers of people because only these two were cast alive into the lake and the rest of the dead have to wait until the resurrection
 

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Behold A White Horse:

Rev 6:2 And I saw, and behold a white horse: and he that sat on him had a bow;
and a crown was given unto him: and he went forth conquering, and to conquer.

1. This white horse rider comes before the other white horse rider in Rev. 19:11-13
2. This First Rider sats upon a white horse
3. This First Rider had a bow (no arrows)
4. This First Rider a crown was given unto him (made a king)
5. This First Rider went forth conquering and to conquer
6. This First Rider is the Antichrist type[allready in the world.

religious deception.

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second white horse
Behold A White Horse:

And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war. His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself. And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God. And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean. And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God. And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS. Rev. 19:11-13


1. This Second Rider comes after the First White Horse Rider in Rev. 6:2
2. This Second Rider is called Faithful & True
3. This Second Rider in righteousness he doth judge and make war
4. This Second Rider eyes were as a flame of fire
5. This Second Rider had on his head many crowns
6. This Second Rider and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself.
7. This Second Rider was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood
8. This Second Rider Name is called the Word of God
9. This Second Rider armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses,
clothed in fine linen, white and clean
10. This Second Rider out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword,
that with it he should smite the nations
11.This Second Rider shall rule them with a Rod of Iron
12.This Second Rider he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of God
13.This Second Rider hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written,
KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS

14. This Second Rider is Jesus Christ.
 

miknik5

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The first horseman (on the white horse) represents religious deception
The deceived followers of the man on the white horse “go forth conquering and to conquer”
based on their erroneous belief that the white horseman is Jesus Christ. In fact, he is Satan
disguising himself as Christ (2?Corinthians 11:14). This leads directly into, and overlaps with,
the second horseman of the apocalypse: war!

Matthew 24 refers to:
1) a first typical fulfillment in a.d.?70;
2) a long-term condition prevailing from a.d. 70 until now; and
3) an end-time anti-typical fulfillment yet ahead.
It is this last type that you and I are staring straight in the face!

John’s vision, revealed by Jesus Christ and recorded for us today in Revelation 6:1-8,
differs only slightly from the Olivet prophecy in Matthew 24 and the other Gospel accounts.

Josephus describes in graphic detail the wars and resultant famine and plagues in Jerusalem
about a.d.70, almost 40 years after the Olivet prophecy was first given.
Josephus’s Wars of the Jews, tells of thousands of Jews being impaled by the Romans.

Yes, what Christ said in Matthew 24 indeed had a typical fulfillment in a.d.?70.
But John’s vision was recorded 20 years after the city’s fall and the temple’s destruction.

Nothing in it speaks of historical fulfillment or events occurring in John’s day.
Instead, it is referring to a future completion immediately ahead of us.

An End-Time Message ,Revelation is clearly a book for the end time.
Revelation 9:16 mentions a standing army of about 200 million men.

Even the context of Matthew 24 shows that the ultimate fulfillment of these prophecies
is still ahead. Verses 21-22 show that Christ’s message would apply at a time when
human annihilation was a very real threat.

the second horseman (on the red horse) represents war (Revelation 6:1-4).
When peace is gone, there is only war. The man on the red horse plainly represents war.

In Matthew 24:6-7, Christ said, “And ye shall hear of wars and rumours
of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass,
but the end is not yet.
-
The third horseman, riding a black horse, symbolizes famine. In Matthew, Mark
and Luke, Christ was speaking of general famine, set against the backdrop of war.
depicting famine, follows directly behind war.

Examples of war-induced famines are recorded for us (2Kings 25; Jeremiah 52;
Isaiah 14:30; 51:13; Jeremiah 16:4; 44:27).

The Jewish historian Josephus recorded a Roman siege on Jerusalem that produced
a famine so great that the masses resorted to cannibalism in the so-called city of peace

The Middle Ages, the first several hundred years after the first millennium a.d., are also
known as the Dark Ages. Entire cities experienced starvation followed by killer diseases.

Thousands of dead bodies could not be disposed of quickly enough. Rats spread bubonic plague
throughout all of Europe. War, one example being the Thirty Years’ War (1618-1648),
was again the main culprit. Whole cities were leveled with starvation so severe that some
even resorted to cannibalism! You may read the many historical accounts for yourself.

Immediately following, and as a direct result of worldwide religious deception and World War3,
the first and second horsemen respectively, a great famine, like none before it or ever again,
will strike this Earth with frightening force and fury. This time, instead of only affecting war-torn
regions or the Third World, it will affect the First World nations
-
The first is religious deception, next is war, then famine.

With the fourth, pestilence, these horsemen represent the final, end-time culmination of the
most traumatic problems endured by a rebellious mankind. They picture one of the most
ominous scenarios ever.

The context mentions two of the other horsemen—war and famine.

The key word to its identity is the word pale, which often makes us think of someone
who is feeling sick, having an anemic-looking appearance. Pale is translated from the
Greek chloros, which we would normally take to mean the color of chlorophyll, the
property that gives plants their healthy green appearance. When used biblically,
however, chloros means the sickly pale green color of sickness and disease.

Other biblical translations describe the pale horse as an ash-colored horse, a horse sickly
green, a horse sickly pale and an ashy pale horse. We have continually stressed throughout
that we should look to Christ the Revelator to explain these seals and symbols. He provides
us with the most correct word to unlock the true identity of this pale green horse which man’s
best translations cannot: “and there shall be?…?pestilences” (Matthew 24:7).

The man on the pale horse symbolizes climactic, globe-encircling plagues and pandemics
occurring and soon to occur in this modern age!

Look up pestilence in any Bible concordance and you will be amazed by the link
between the second, third and fourth horsemen representing war, famine and pestilence
(Jeremiah 21:9; 27:13; 29:17-18; 32:24; 34:17; 38:2; 42:16-17; 44:13).

These three horsemen derive their origin directly from the first horseman of religious deception,
in a way these riders have been ongoing , like in a loop, but the hooves keep getting louder

This sir has all happened and is simply the history of man oppressing man

remember the ONE who is worthy in revelation 5 opens the scrolls on the story of mankind's sin

this is a perpetual state of the world because sin is in the world
this revelation 6 only shows the ONE who has all authority over all flesh revealing our terrible state of evil

all except the 6th seal has happened and continues to happen
 

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now John lived in the time of the Roman empire and the great persicusion.

Weep not: behold, the Lion of the tribe of Judah,the Root of David, hath prevailed
to open the book, and to loose the seven seals thereof” (Revelation 5:5).

Jesus earned the right to the key of David here on earth,
after return to heaven he unlocks this prophecy

Christ starts his church on pentacost,- the woman in rev.12 ,
also unlocking the anti church started- the woman we see in rev 17

Jesus unlocks first horse but not ride himself

1-And I saw, and behold a white horse: and he that sat on him had a bow;
and a crown was given unto him: and he went forth conquering, and to conquer.
 

miknik5

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now John lived in the time of the Roman empire and the great persicusion.

Weep not: behold, the Lion of the tribe of Judah,the Root of David, hath prevailed
to open the book, and to loose the seven seals thereof” (Revelation 5:5).

Jesus earned the right to the key of David here on earth,
after return to heaven he unlocks this prophecy

Christ starts his church on pentacost,- the woman in rev.12 ,
also unlocking the anti church started- the woman we see in rev 17

Jesus unlocks first horse but not ride himself

1-And I saw, and behold a white horse: and he that sat on him had a bow;
and a crown was given unto him: and he went forth conquering, and to conquer.

The woman in revelation 12 is NOT THE WOMAN IN THE BASKET!
 

miknik5

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That "woman in the basket" is symbolic of zechariahs scroll
 
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When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet,
stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand) (Matthew 24:14-15).

This is referring both to a spiritual abomination of desolation which trys to destroy
God’s Church, and to a physical abomination which attacks Jerusalem.


There is plenty of dual prophies , both physical and spiritual applacations
 
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It isn’t a duel thing at all in this instance. If there had been 5,and the 6'th was in existence at that exact time Revelation 17:10 was written, then the 4th beast time(times of gentile rule) had not yet been fulfilled and was still awaiting the prophecy to be fulfilled as given.


So, the ten horns had not yet come as said in Revelation 17:12 and since they had not yet come the little horn who would rise after they do had not either. And if he had not yet come then the image was not yet set up and so no one could have had the mark yet.

And so the apostles understanding this (that they were still under the authority of the 4th gentile beast) stated that they should still see it as ordained by God Romans 13:1 and that they should buy and sell with it's money Romans 13:6 as if their was no fear of taking the mark because it had not yet divided into ten and the little horn had not yet come.

So they were suppose to "honour the authority" over them 1 Peter 2:13-14...and the reason why is because the times of the gentiles were not yet full.

In the mean while the Jews not understanding the time of their visitation(messiah) set out to cast off the authority of the 4th beast and revolted(ad66-70) and they were carried away into captivity and their temple destroyed. This is all because they did not see that Jesus was the messiah and so like he said "I come in my fathers name and you receive me not,yet if another come in his own name him you will receive".

This if you consider it needs explaining that is he said to them(in English) ,,,"OH,OK you don’t think I'm the messiah and so since you don’t,, it's a no brainier, instead of seeing that it's me your going to just keep on looking and you’ll eventually believe that the one who comes as an imposter is me"...