WHAT DOES THE WORD OF FAITH MOVEMENT TEACH?

[Denadii]

Not only will I name you denadii, I put you at the top of the list as a heretic supporter. What was it you said to me? Oh yea, "I don't want to talk about copeland." And why, because you know you can justify his heretical teachings. Like saying that Jesus Christ took on the nature of Satan and in hell Satan and his minions tortured Jesus Christ in hell." And joyce meyer teaches the same thing because she got it from copeland.

All I have been asking is where have these wolves rennounced or recanted these teachings? And I have only given you one example among many false teachings. And finally, yes this is your business because you will be held accountable according to Ezekiel 3:18-19. I also know about your "asinine" and unbiblical excuse that were not suppose to name names? The Bible does name names and even if it did not your still suppose to confront and speak out against those who teach heresy. Acts 20:28 and many other verses I could post. Like I said before, you "DON'T" know your Bible. PS: Go back to eating your day old Gyros?

IN GOD THE SON,
bluto

I don't want to talk about Copeland because its none of my business what he does...All he does is between him and God. He does not have to answer to me, but to God...And what you do you will have to answer to God for too. disobedience to His Word, hypocrisy, lying, judging and so forth. You know you talk a good show about being a Christian but I haven't seen it yet. I think nobody else has seen it yet either. Jesus became sin, sin is the nature of Satan. Jesus went to hell. But guess what? Copeland never said Satan and his minions tortured him there. It says He stomped around and established his Lordship over the place. So you lie about that.

As to whether or not these people have renounced their teaching is, again, none of your business. It's between them and God. You are not lord of anything that counts. Ezekiel 3:18-19? I agree with a great deal of what Copeland teaches. I'll bet you have never listened to him honestly. I'll bet you got your slanderous crap about him off of Youtube. as far as naming names goes....That's what the bible says paraphrased.... Stand against false teaching by teaching the truth and rebuking the people hat listen to that false teaching. That is all of the teaching about coming against false teaching in a nutshell. NOW. YOU show me scripture where it says YOU should name names! Until you do you are nothing but a lying heretic yourself! You are nothing but a lying, slanderous, vicious, backbiting cowardly, and thoroughly unpleasant boor. A bully who thinks he will be honored because of his loud speech. Unless of course you can show me some truth to what you say.
Acts 20:28 Does not say to viciously attack anyone, it does not say to name names.
“Watch out for yourselves, and for all the flock in which the Ruach HaKodesh has placed you as leaders, to shepherd God’s Messianic community, which he won for himself at the cost of his own Son’s blood.

SHOW ME SOME VERSES THAT SAY YOU SHOULD NAME THE PERSON TEACHING FALSE TEACHING! or SHUT UP!

 

[bluto]

I don't want to talk about Copeland because its none of my business what he does...All he does is between him and God. He does not have to answer to me, but to God...And what you do you will have to answer to God for too. disobedience to His Word, hypocrisy, lying, judging and so forth. You know you talk a good show about being a Christian but I haven't seen it yet. I think nobody else has seen it yet either. Jesus became sin, sin is the nature of Satan. Jesus went to hell. But guess what? Copeland never said Satan and his minions tortured him there. It says He stomped around and established his Lordship over the place. So you lie about that.

As to whether or not these people have renounced their teaching is, again, none of your business. It's between them and God. You are not lord of anything that counts. Ezekiel 3:18-19? I agree with a great deal of what Copeland teaches. I'll bet you have never listened to him honestly. I'll bet you got your slanderous crap about him off of Youtube. as far as naming names goes....That's what the bible says paraphrased.... Stand against false teaching by teaching the truth and rebuking the people hat listen to that false teaching. That is all of the teaching about coming against false teaching in a nutshell. NOW. YOU show me scripture where it says YOU should name names! Until you do you are nothing but a lying heretic yourself! You are nothing but a lying, slanderous, vicious, backbiting cowardly, and thoroughly unpleasant boor. A bully who thinks he will be honored because of his loud speech. Unless of course you can show me some truth to what you say.
Acts 20:28 Does not say to viciously attack anyone, it does not say to name names.
“Watch out for yourselves, and for all the flock in which the Ruach HaKodesh has placed you as leaders, to shepherd God’s Messianic community, which he won for himself at the cost of his own Son’s blood.

SHOW ME SOME VERSES THAT SAY YOU SHOULD NAME THE PERSON TEACHING FALSE TEACHING! or SHUT UP!

Wow, you sure told me off denadii? You say you don't want to talk about copeland because it's none of your business? Well why are you making it your business to scold me if as you say this is all between God and copeland? And what is your business denadii? Why do you claim to be a Christian in the first place? I know, you want to talk about gyros, pagan gods and of course "Does God trust the angels?"

You don't have the guts to confront evil and sin in whatever form it takes because your a coward. You made the "assumption" that I probably have never listened to copeland. I not only listened to him for the last 39 or 40 years but I attended his meetings, wrote him letters, had 5 or 6 boxes full of his materials as well as kenneth hagin's stuff and other wof teachers and preachers books, tapes, pamphlets, and cd's which I gave away to younger apologests. Oh yea, we even went to copeland's meetings back in the day at the Anaheim Convention Center on many occasions picketing out front with the blessing of the Anaheim Police.

Now, you just shouted at me to show where names are named of false teachers in the Bible. I already gave you these verses a while back but since you have the attention span of a three year old I'll give it to you again. 2 Timothy 2:2:16-18. You might also want to read the whole book of Jude. Finally, I did find on copelands own website the printed version of "What Happened from the Cross to the Throne." Pay special attention to part 2 and I certaintly do not want to hear the excuse that copeland is just "embellishing" a little bit. What Happened From the Cross to the Throne - PART 1 - Kenneth Copeland Ministries Blog PS: And the likes of you will never make me shutup.

IN GOD THE SON,
bluto

 

[Laish]

I don't want to talk about Copeland because its none of my business what he does...All he does is between him and God. He does not have to answer to me, but to God...And what you do you will have to answer to God for too. disobedience to His Word, hypocrisy, lying, judging and so forth. You know you talk a good show about being a Christian but I haven't seen it yet. I think nobody else has seen it yet either. Jesus became sin, sin is the nature of Satan. Jesus went to hell. But guess what? Copeland never said Satan and his minions tortured him there. It says He stomped around and established his Lordship over the place. So you lie about that.

As to whether or not these people have renounced their teaching is, again, none of your business. It's between them and God. You are not lord of anything that counts. Ezekiel 3:18-19? I agree with a great deal of what Copeland teaches. I'll bet you have never listened to him honestly. I'll bet you got your slanderous crap about him off of Youtube. as far as naming names goes....That's what the bible says paraphrased.... Stand against false teaching by teaching the truth and rebuking the people hat listen to that false teaching. That is all of the teaching about coming against false teaching in a nutshell. NOW. YOU show me scripture where it says YOU should name names! Until you do you are nothing but a lying heretic yourself! You are nothing but a lying, slanderous, vicious, backbiting cowardly, and thoroughly unpleasant boor. A bully who thinks he will be honored because of his loud speech. Unless of course you can show me some truth to what you say.
Acts 20:28 Does not say to viciously attack anyone, it does not say to name names.
“Watch out for yourselves, and for all the flock in which the Ruach HaKodesh has placed you as leaders, to shepherd God’s Messianic community, which he won for himself at the cost of his own Son’s blood.

SHOW ME SOME VERSES THAT SAY YOU SHOULD NAME THE PERSON TEACHING FALSE TEACHING! or SHUT UP!

Following your interpretation of scripture you can't tell him to shut up. It is not your business. Like it's not your business not to shut down Copeland.
Blessings
Bill

 

[Denadii]

Wow, you sure told me off denadii? You say you don't want to talk about copeland because it's none of your business? Well why are you making it your business to scold me if as you say this is all between God and copeland? And what is your business denadii? Why do you claim to be a Christian in the first place? I know, you want to talk about gyros, pagan gods and of course "Does God trust the angels?"

You don't have the guts to confront evil and sin in whatever form it takes because your a coward. You made the "assumption" that I probably have never listened to copeland. I not only listened to him for the last 39 or 40 years but I attended his meetings, wrote him letters, had 5 or 6 boxes full of his materials as well as kenneth hagin's stuff and other wof teachers and preachers books, tapes, pamphlets, and cd's which I gave away to younger apologests. Oh yea, we even went to copeland's meetings back in the day at the Anaheim Convention Center on many occasions picketing out front with the blessing of the Anaheim Police.

Now, you just shouted at me to show where names are named of false teachers in the Bible. I already gave you these verses a while back but since you have the attention span of a three year old I'll give it to you again. 2 Timothy 2:2:16-18. You might also want to read the whole book of Jude. Finally, I did find on copelands own website the printed version of "What Happened from the Cross to the Throne." Pay special attention to part 2 and I certaintly do not want to hear the excuse that copeland is just "embellishing" a little bit. What Happened From the Cross to the Throne - PART 1 - Kenneth Copeland Ministries Blog PS: And the likes of you will never make me shutup.

IN GOD THE SON,
bluto

You call me a coward, a heretic, ignorant. In all of this you are deflecting from the truth. You seek to make others look bad so you can feel like you're worth something. The stage magicians call this sleight of hand. You distract from the truth and dodge the real issue. You say I don't know the word but its you that does not. You say I am doing what? Speaking to your face instead of behind someones back like you are doing to WOF preachers? Or do you think they are reading your posts?
How is it my business? You fling all your crap at me and that makes it my business. Don't be a fool, all you'll get is fools results.
I don't have the guts to stand against evil. Cool! Have you laid hands on someone and sickness left? Diabetes gone, growths in knees gone on and on and on. Have you cast demons out of people? Leviathan, cancer, on and on and on. I have no fear of evil. I have dominion over all evil in the anointing.

So based on your hateful behavior you only attended Copeland to judge and to protest. You want scripture that says not to name names. Here are the instructions you are to go by.

Rom 16:17-18 I appeal to you, brothers, to watch out for those who cause divisions and create obstacles contrary to the doctrine that you have been taught; avoid them. For such persons do not serve our Lord Christ, but their own appetites, and by smooth talk and flattery they deceive the hearts of the naive.
Titus 1:11 They must be silenced, because they are disrupting whole households by teaching things they ought not to teach and that for the sake of dishonest gain.
Titus 1:13 This saying is true. Therefore rebuke them sharply, so that they will be sound in the faith.
Matt 7:15 Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing but inwardly are ravenous wolves.

Notice? Preach the truth, rebuke those who follow false teachers. Nothing more. Paul did name three people. But unlike you, he was led of the Holy Spirit to do so. When you do it, you are doing it out of hatred and judgmentalism.

Here's what I'm going to do...Your hatred and judgmentalism and insults and self righteousness sicken me, so I'm putting you on my ignore list with Angela and that Laish character. You three can fight it out together.

 

[stonesoffire]

I know, you want to talk about gyros, pagan gods and of course "Does God trust the angels?"

What's this Bluto? You say pagan gods eat gyros?




*see how easy this is to slander?* tee hee

 

[Denadii]

What's this Bluto? You say pagan gods eat gyros?




*see how easy this is to slander?* tee hee

ROFLOLOLOL

 

[Amber_Evans]

[video=youtube;KJmcEAwazD0]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KJmcEAwazD0[/video]

 

[sevenseas]

I do not believe what you are saying about Bluto is true. While it is true reformers in general don't support women in ministry, I have yet to see one of the Reformed people, including Bluto say a word against me for being a women in ministry. In fact, they have been kind and supportive, some even listening to my sermons.

While I have seen places where Joyce is condemned for being a woman preaching, they usually go on to point out the wrong she is preaching. Of course, some still think women innately can't understand theology, but certainly Bluto is not one of those people.

If Joyce says she disowns Word Faith, I would be delighted to read it. Could one of you post a link for that? I agree we do change and grow in our understanding of God and theology. I have moved miles from where I was 5, 10 or 20 years ago. Certainly, when we study the Bible more, God does move us to reexamine cherished beliefs that were based on tradition, or the words of "men" (for want of a better word!) instead of the Bible.

PS. If you posted a link earlier, I must have missed it. I would appreciate it if you could put it here again! Thanks!

I was commenting on the site he posted to. That site, a heresy hunter site, does not say who is behind it but after researching it, I found the information I have already stated. They do not support women having any sort of position other than ask your husband (too bad I guess if you don't happen to have one of those I guess)

they are also cessationists and I know your stand there so no need to open that one up in this thread

he started this thread to speak about wof and then he tried to turn it into a Meyer bashing thread

I don't know what bluto believes as I have not come across a statement of faith from him. I find him disagreeable and accusatory and he has conveniently not referenced any current statements by Meyer, which, is telling enough IMO

did she at one time preach wof? did I at that time listen to her? nope

last year I watched her once or twice and heard no wof teaching, just a practical expository of the word. you can view her teachings on her site and I'll provide the link again to the specific vid I watched

now you might her 'light' considering your own leanings with regard to study, but I really like her practical hands on teaching

she speaks often of renewing our mind in the word, teaches against name it and claim it and whenever I have watched her, (not religiously) she speaks against sin, the need to study the word and so on. in other words, practical and applicable truths that many will not discover for themselves because, no matter how much people will be told to study, let's face it, probably less do study then do not study

she teaches against the wof stand, not by saying 'I am anti wof, that would be ridiculous and would alienate people just the way it is divisive here and people shut down

however, teaching what is true, as it is the word of God, does change minds and hopefully others are led out of the trap of wof

here's the link to the specific video

it's entitled 'why doesn't God give me what I want'

what irks me about bluto, is that he does not acknowledge that she has changed or even reference the 'proof' or the link to her statement of faith that is not wof but he just continues with 20 year old information

he also huffs and puffs and makes personal digs that have nothing to do with the thread. that's childish and helps no one. he and denadii have been fighting and insulting for a couple of pages now. it's ridiculous

that is quite dishonest

 

[sevenseas]

here are two points from her statement of faith on her site that indicate she does not teach wof (I posted these previously as well)

Is Joyce Meyer Ministries a "word of faith" ministry?

• • Joyce Meyer Ministries believes in the Word of God. Joyce teaches that God has made promises to us in His Word and as believers, we should trust His promises (see 2 Peter 1:3,4 ). However, it can be damaging when people place their faith in faith alone instead of placing their faith in God. Misappropriation of God’s promises solely for personal gain is not scripturally supported.

• Does Joyce Meyer Ministries teach a "prosperity gospel"?
  • Joyce Meyer Ministries believes that God desires to bless His people. Joyce teaches that God’s blessings and prosperity apply to the spiritual, emotional, physical and financial areas of life. These blessings and prosperity are then to be used to bless others (see Genesis 12:2). A “prosperity gospel” that solely equates blessing with financial gain is out of balance and could damage a person’s walk with God

so if someone is looking for a wof bashing statement of course they are not going to find it

but what I have highlighted in red above, indicates she does not agree with wof

 

[sevenseas]

First of all sevenseas is that your real age, 45? Who are you to accuse me of being dishonest? And like I have said a number of times now show me the proof that she has rennounced or recanted wof teachings. You can't and that is why your attacking my character just like denadii.

Secondly, if the men on that site are against women preachers that's on them. That still does not make void what meyer teaches. Thirdly, I love women preachers/evangelist. In fact I have listened to Billy Graham's daugter and she is an excellent evangelist. I also suggest you read her book "Wounded By God's People," because you definitely have issues.

And maybe, just mabe the following written by a woman might wake you up to reality. Word of Faith False Teacher Joyce Meyer’s Shocking Doctrine and Heresy - Berean Research

IN GOD THE SON,
bluto

you are being ridiculous and you have gone from starting a thread with regards to what wof teaches, to bashing other posters

you are the one that linked to the site that discredits all women and promotes their opinions with regards to the gifts of the Holy Spirit

calm down before someone has to call 911

you make a mess and then blame everyone else and fight with denadii for over 2 pages

you ignore what people posted that refutes what you said about Meyer and just plow on with info that actually illustrates how much the woman has changed

don't fall off your dinosaur

 

[Denadii]

[video=youtube;KJmcEAwazD0]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KJmcEAwazD0[/video]

Junk! Not worth listening to

 

[bluto]

Junk! Not worth listening to

Ok denadii, don't listen, how about viewing instead? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZlOpo3GFgeM

IN GOD THE SON,
bluto

 

[Denadii]

Ok denadii, don't listen, how about viewing instead? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZlOpo3GFgeM

IN GOD THE SON,
bluto

You prove my point. You take your "wisdom" from Youtube. That's really low caliber!! Do you read a Marvel bible too?

 

[bluto]

You prove my point. You take your "wisdom" from Youtube. That's really low caliber!! Do you read a Marvel bible too?

Wait a minute denadii, I thought I was on your long list of ignore? By the time your done your the only one that will be on church chat and then you can talk to yourself? And what's wrong with youtube? If I was to post everthing copeland has teached not even youtube would have enough room. Oh yea, here's another one. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ksvEPpi-MTk

IN GOD THE SON,
bluto

 

[Denadii]

Wait a minute denadii, I thought I was on your long list of ignore? By the time your done your the only one that will be on church chat and then you can talk to yourself? And what's wrong with youtube? If I was to post everthing copeland has teached not even youtube would have enough room. Oh yea, here's another one. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ksvEPpi-MTk

IN GOD THE SON,
bluto

Don't know what happened Bluto. I put you on ignore as soon as I said I would and here you are this morning, spreading your rot. Don't bother posting your Youtube crap to me. I won't listen to it.


I really don't care if I have nobody to talk to. That has NEVER been important to me. If I say something you can either listen and respond or not. As you wish. I can't tell you how much I don't care.

 

[bluto]

Don't know what happened Bluto. I put you on ignore as soon as I said I would and here you are this morning, spreading your rot. Don't bother posting your Youtube crap to me. I won't listen to it.


I really don't care if I have nobody to talk to. That has NEVER been important to me. If I say something you can either listen and respond or not. As you wish. I can't tell you how much I don't care.

Yea I know denadii, that's your problem, "You don't care" yet people who really love the Lord do care for others. I have a quote written in my Bible I beleive it is by Charles Spurgeon that's been there for over 5o years now, "Give me souls or I'll die, our calling is other people." Need I say more?

IN GOD THE SON,
bluto

 

[Denadii]

Yea I know denadii, that's your problem, "You don't care" yet people who really love the Lord do care for others. I have a quote written in my Bible I beleive it is by Charles Spurgeon that's been there for over 5o years now, "Give me souls or I'll die, our calling is other people." Need I say more?

IN GOD THE SON,
bluto

As usual Bluto you take everyone out of context. I did not say I don't care about other people. I said I don't care if they won't talk to me. One does not need to have a conversation to pray for people. People like you are a problem for the Christians on the planet. You know of the Word but you don't know Him. If you did, you would not be so nasty. You would let Him grow you up.

 

[bluto]

As usual Bluto you take everyone out of context. I did not say I don't care about other people. I said I don't care if they won't talk to me. One does not need to have a conversation to pray for people. People like you are a problem for the Christians on the planet. You know of the Word but you don't know Him. If you did, you would not be so nasty. You would let Him grow you up.

You totally missed my point. What I'm saying is if you truly loved people you would be concerned for their total welfare including from those who teach heresy. It's like your saying, "that aspect of my Christian life by confronting heretical teachers is not my job." Jude vs3, "Beloved, while I was making every effort to write you about our common salvation, I felt the necessity to write to you appealing THAT YOU CONTEND EARNESTLY FOR THE FAITH WHICH WAS ONCE FOR ALL DELIVERED TO THE SAINTS." So the question is what are we to contend agains denadii? To fine out read the rest of the chapter especially vs4. Sure, I believe you love people but your love has its limits and that's what I'm saying. :eek;

IN GOD THE SON,
bluto

 

[heartofdavid]

It's not any earth shattering discernment deserving a bluto self inaugurating drum roll to see that wof is off.

No big deal.

But to condemn God's word for the promises that ant-wofers so handily distort is like taking a pistol,loading the barrel with epoxy and then going hunting.

So ridiculous.
It's like bluto is doing jumping jacks behind Copeland saying "over here,looky over here,heretic,heretic,heretic!!!!!" screaming in vain over nothing.

Cult like,and west borough baptistie spirit big time.

 

[heartofdavid]

see,that's what happens.

You watch what happens when people like bluto need a miracle.

All that energy expelled against the men of God over "faith" dynamics has a pay day coming.

I experienced it firsthand.

Bitter lesson learned....FIRSTHAND.

So,a little advice. Leave God's men alone.

Unless you don't care about your own effectiveness,walk,and FAITH.