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    Quote Originally Posted by bluto View Post
    I'll tell you who denadii? Jesus Christ told us to judge others, that's who. Have you not read what Jesus said at Matthew 7:15-24? I'm not going to quote all of it because I'm sure your capable of reading it for yoursel. "Beware of the fralse prophest who come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly are ravenous wolves. You will know them by their fruits etc.

    What kind of fruits are we to judge denadii? Is it not what a prophet speaks or when he makes claims as a prophet not only by "foretelling" but by "forthtelling." Look at Matthew 7:21, "Not everyone who says to Me, Lord, Lord, will enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven." Vs22 (and this is where your wof heretical teachers come into play). Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many miracles?"

    What do think Jesus is going to say to them denadii? He is going to tell the four most deadly words in the Bible, "I NEVER KNEW YOU." You ask, "Who are we to judge?" Read Matthew 7:24, "Therefore everyone who hears these words of Mine, and acts upon them, may be compared to a wise man, who built his house upon the rock." Were acting upon what Jesus Christ Himself said and he commeds those who take them to heart by doing something about those who are sheep in wolves clothing. What are you doing denadii? Instead of protecting the sheep, your protecting the wolves.

    Now, do you know where the wof movement got their name, "Word of faith?" They hijacked the name from Romans 10:8, "But what does it say? The word is near you, in your mouth and in your heart, that is, THE WORD OF FAITH WHICH WE ARE PREACHING." You guys even took this verse out of context when the context is clearly talking about how the word of God brings salvation. Just read vs9-15. It's "NOT" talking about having faith to get rich or have a miracle or speak things into existence.

    Finally, let's test your judgement since your a part of a movement that puts to shame other churches. Give me one, and I mean just one prophecy from kenneth copeland that came to pass? In fact, give me one prophecy that came to pass from any wof teacher/preacher that came to pass exactly as predicted? You choose the person denadii? Go ahead, I'll wait?

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    You have not given a scripture sir...Where does it say to judge other Christians? Come on boy You can find one, surely.
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    Jesus said, "Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment."
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    Matthew 7

    Judge not, that ye be not judged. For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again. And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye? ...

    Matthew 7:1
    Judge not, that ye be not judged.

    Luke 6:37
    Judge not, and ye shall not be judged: condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned: forgive, and ye shall be forgiven:

    Romans 14:13
    Let us not therefore judge one another any more: but judge this rather, that no man put a stumblingblock or an occasion to fall in his brother's way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Denadii View Post
    Nope I'm not Stating facts in not judging. You can use Websters for that
    Your opinions are not facts.

    Quote Originally Posted by Denadii View Post
    I went to Baptist churches that were mere crypts. I went to Baptist churhes that were full of the Love of God and people walked in Love. I went to Pentecostal churches that were like the Baptist churches above...Most dead but some lively in Gods Love....Why would WOF churches be different, when they are populated by people just as the Baptist and Pentecostal churches were? Don't judge a church by the hellhole you tried out...Most are quite good!
    You contradict yourself all over the place.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Magenta View Post
    Your opinions are not facts.

    You contradict yourself all over the place.
    Where is the contradiction Basically what I was saying is All denominations have churches that are alive and walking in love and churches that are dead. Spiritually dead Including WOF churches.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Denadii View Post
    You have not given a scripture sir...Where does it say to judge other Christians? Come on boy You can find one, surely.
    First of all "clueless one" I gave you Matthew 7:24. Then there is Acts 20:29-31, 2 Peter 2:1-3, Ephesians 4:14,15, 1 Thessalonians 5:21, 1 John 4:16 and here's an oldie but a goodie, Ezekiel 3:18,19, "When I say to the wicked, "You shall surely die AND YOU DO NOT WARN THE WICKED from his wicked way that he may live, that wicked man shall die in his iniquity, BUT HIS BLOOD I WILL REQUIRE AT YOUR HAND. Vs19, Yet if you have WARNED THE WICKED and he does not turn from his wickedness or from his wicked way, he shall die in his iniquity, BUT YOU HAVE DELIVERED YOURSELF."

    So youngster, instead of starting stupid thread about Greek gods or "Does God trust the angels" why don't you use your time studying your Bible? In other words, according to Jeremiah 12:5, "If you have run with footmen and they have tired you out, Then how can you compete with horses?" In short, your not messing around with little kids that don't know what their talking about, your in the big leagues now. PS: Still waiting for a prophecy from these wolves that came to pass.

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    Matt.19:23 22When the young man heard this, he went away in sorrow, because he had great wealth. 23Then Jesus said to His disciples, “Truly I tell you, it is difficult for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven. 24Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God

    It is up to us individually to have a deep connection with God through scripture and prayer.
    Others may have ridiculous claims of who Jesus is and should be but we don't have to listen
    to it. My opinion is this: if we surrender our will to God and put our own will aside we are
    one with Him. Without Jesus we can never be Him on our own, that is not possible. God
    may not give us all we ask for but He always gives us what we need. With glory and praise
    we thank Him for all He has given us. Somehow I doubt that Jesus was a master of teaching
    how to amass great wealth while at the same time be willing to give Himself up on the cross
    with pride. It may make sense to some, but I don't accept that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Denadii View Post
    I asked Migeddo and I'll ask you...Who are you to judge other Christians....Get the log out of your own eye first.

    I question your ability to comprehend

    I specifically stated we do not judge hearts and I have stated that emphatically many many times in these forums

    your error and what you mistakenly consider your defense with regards to the WOF heresy, is your desire to drag the Almighty into your own sinful reasoning


    we ARE to judge the teaching and the results of said teaching

    as I already stated in my previous post and which you deliberately overlooked because it demands a response from you that you cannot and are not willing to give, we do not judge hearts unlike the WOF cult which does judge the heart and proclaims hurting people lacking when Jesus Himself stated that faith as small as a mustard seed was faith


    personal attacks is the usual response from those, like yourself, who have no demonstrative biblical faith, but instead CHOOSE to proclaim what is in the realm of God Almighty ALONE to proclaim

    you have greatly overstepped and demonstrated an unteachable spirit and rebellion in your heart which is as the sin of witchcraft

    this is not judgement; this is the biblical injunction for those who defy what God states and make their own religion

    the judgement is your very own judgement and you call it out yourself
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    Quote Originally Posted by bluto View Post
    I'll tell you who denadii? Jesus Christ told us to judge others, that's who. Have you not read what Jesus said at Matthew 7:15-24? I'm not going to quote all of it because I'm sure your capable of reading it for yoursel. "Beware of the fralse prophest who come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly are ravenous wolves. You will know them by their fruits etc.

    What kind of fruits are we to judge denadii? Is it not what a prophet speaks or when he makes claims as a prophet not only by "foretelling" but by "forthtelling." Look at Matthew 7:21, "Not everyone who says to Me, Lord, Lord, will enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven." Vs22 (and this is where your wof heretical teachers come into play). Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many miracles?"

    What do think Jesus is going to say to them denadii? He is going to tell the four most deadly words in the Bible, "I NEVER KNEW YOU." You ask, "Who are we to judge?" Read Matthew 7:24, "Therefore everyone who hears these words of Mine, and acts upon them, may be compared to a wise man, who built his house upon the rock." Were acting upon what Jesus Christ Himself said and he commeds those who take them to heart by doing something about those who are sheep in wolves clothing. What are you doing denadii? Instead of protecting the sheep, your protecting the wolves.

    Now, do you know where the wof movement got their name, "Word of faith?" They hijacked the name from Romans 10:8, "But what does it say? The word is near you, in your mouth and in your heart, that is, THE WORD OF FAITH WHICH WE ARE PREACHING." You guys even took this verse out of context when the context is clearly talking about how the word of God brings salvation. Just read vs9-15. It's "NOT" talking about having faith to get rich or have a miracle or speak things into existence.

    Finally, let's test your judgement since your a part of a movement that puts to shame other churches. Give me one, and I mean just one prophecy from kenneth copeland that came to pass? In fact, give me one prophecy that came to pass from any wof teacher/preacher that came to pass exactly as predicted? You choose the person denadii? Go ahead, I'll wait?

    IN GOD THE SON,
    bluto
    there is a wicked and false teaching making the rounds, and some on here talk about it, that we do not have to apply the words of Christ because it was before his death

    this is a doctrine of demons and people need to reject it

    obviously you are not teaching that, but it seems a good time to bring it up since you mentionned the teachings of Jesus
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    Quote Originally Posted by bluto View Post
    First of all "clueless one" I gave you Matthew 7:24. Then there is Acts 20:29-31, 2 Peter 2:1-3, Ephesians 4:14,15, 1 Thessalonians 5:21, 1 John 4:16 and here's an oldie but a goodie, Ezekiel 3:18,19, "When I say to the wicked, "You shall surely die AND YOU DO NOT WARN THE WICKED from his wicked way that he may live, that wicked man shall die in his iniquity, BUT HIS BLOOD I WILL REQUIRE AT YOUR HAND. Vs19, Yet if you have WARNED THE WICKED and he does not turn from his wickedness or from his wicked way, he shall die in his iniquity, BUT YOU HAVE DELIVERED YOURSELF."

    So youngster, instead of starting stupid thread about Greek gods or "Does God trust the angels" why don't you use your time studying your Bible? In other words, according to Jeremiah 12:5, "If you have run with footmen and they have tired you out, Then how can you compete with horses?" In short, your not messing around with little kids that don't know what their talking about, your in the big leagues now. PS: Still waiting for a prophecy from these wolves that came to pass.

    IN GOD THE SON,
    bluto
    Denadii consistently tells those who post scripture that they do not post scripture

    he has stated this to Angela several times

    I really do not like to call someone a liar, but in this case, he is either lying or he is a liar

    God knows which

    in either case, it obvious to even the most uninspired individual, that many scriptures have been posted to which he has replied
    'you have not given scripture'

    the deception runs deep
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    Quote Originally Posted by bluto View Post
    First of all "clueless one" I gave you Matthew 7:24. Then there is Acts 20:29-31, 2 Peter 2:1-3, Ephesians 4:14,15, 1 Thessalonians 5:21, 1 John 4:16 and here's an oldie but a goodie, Ezekiel 3:18,19, "When I say to the wicked, "You shall surely die AND YOU DO NOT WARN THE WICKED from his wicked way that he may live, that wicked man shall die in his iniquity, BUT HIS BLOOD I WILL REQUIRE AT YOUR HAND. Vs19, Yet if you have WARNED THE WICKED and he does not turn from his wickedness or from his wicked way, he shall die in his iniquity, BUT YOU HAVE DELIVERED YOURSELF."

    So youngster, instead of starting stupid thread about Greek gods or "Does God trust the angels" why don't you use your time studying your Bible? In other words, according to Jeremiah 12:5, "If you have run with footmen and they have tired you out, Then how can you compete with horses?" In short, your not messing around with little kids that don't know what their talking about, your in the big leagues now. PS: Still waiting for a prophecy from these wolves that came to pass.

    IN GOD THE SON,
    bluto
    So far, oh man of great wisdom you have not given a single verse which makes it ok to judge another Christian. You've quoted warnings about false teaching but no permission to judge. Ezekeil teaches too, that there will be false teaching. Such as you are doing Teaching that Christians should pass judgment on other Christians....

    You are acting like an ignorant boor who talks a good show but you have the Word inside out in your thick skull...You need to get on your knees and ask the Holy Spirit to teach you, instead of telling God what He means.

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    I like that line too, Bluto about being in the big leagues now. You make is sound like you're so incredibly knowledgeable, but most of your talk is just the noise of a know nothing
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    Quote Originally Posted by sevenseas View Post
    there is a wicked and false teaching making the rounds, and some on here talk about it, that we do not have to apply the words of Christ because it was before his death

    this is a doctrine of demons and people need to reject it

    obviously you are not teaching that, but it seems a good time to bring it up since you mentionned the teachings of Jesus
    That line of reasoning is absurd. When dealing with the oneness pentecostals who teach you must be water baptized to be saved and you say "Well the thief on the cross was not water baptized and yet Jesus saved him?" They then say, "that was because the thief was in the old covenant and Jesus had not ascended so his salvation does not count in the new covenant."

    Well if that's true, then it was easier to be saved under the old covenant that it is in the new covenant. The oneness do not think things through just like denadii does not think things through with his many excuses. Besides, I gave him verses that were from the Apostles who obviously were around long after the specific teachings of our God and Savior. Keep up the good work.

    IN GOD THE SON,
    bluto
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    Quote Originally Posted by bluto View Post
    I'll tell you who denadii? Jesus Christ told us to judge others, that's who. Have you not read what Jesus said at Matthew 7:15-24? I'm not going to quote all of it because I'm sure your capable of reading it for yoursel. "Beware of the fralse prophest who come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly are ravenous wolves. You will know them by their fruits etc.

    What kind of fruits are we to judge denadii? Is it not what a prophet speaks or when he makes claims as a prophet not only by "foretelling" but by "forthtelling." Look at Matthew 7:21, "Not everyone who says to Me, Lord, Lord, will enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven." Vs22 (and this is where your wof heretical teachers come into play). Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many miracles?"

    What do think Jesus is going to say to them denadii? He is going to tell the four most deadly words in the Bible, "I NEVER KNEW YOU." You ask, "Who are we to judge?" Read Matthew 7:24, "Therefore everyone who hears these words of Mine, and acts upon them, may be compared to a wise man, who built his house upon the rock." Were acting upon what Jesus Christ Himself said and he commeds those who take them to heart by doing something about those who are sheep in wolves clothing. What are you doing denadii? Instead of protecting the sheep, your protecting the wolves.

    Now, do you know where the wof movement got their name, "Word of faith?" They hijacked the name from Romans 10:8, "But what does it say? The word is near you, in your mouth and in your heart, that is, THE WORD OF FAITH WHICH WE ARE PREACHING." You guys even took this verse out of context when the context is clearly talking about how the word of God brings salvation. Just read vs9-15. It's "NOT" talking about having faith to get rich or have a miracle or speak things into existence.

    Finally, let's test your judgement since your a part of a movement that puts to shame other churches. Give me one, and I mean just one prophecy from kenneth copeland that came to pass? In fact, give me one prophecy that came to pass from any wof teacher/preacher that came to pass exactly as predicted? You choose the person denadii? Go ahead, I'll wait?

    IN GOD THE SON,
    bluto
    Christ told us to judge other Christians.....Ok Bluto I've given you several scriptures that say not to judge one another...So either you are lying or Jesus is...I choose you!
    As applies to false doctrines it The Word even teaches how to handle that. It does NOT say to even name the perpetrator of false teaching. It says to teach the truth, and to rebuke those that follow the false teachers....And you tell me to study the bible. You are preaching the doctrines of demons yourself with your lies about Jesus telling you to judge others.

    Your lying doctrines cost lives. Your judgments hurt people. Your hatred of other Christians that differ from you in doctrine is disgusting. You need to repent of all that hatred.

    Word of Faith....Yeah They teach people to live by faith. That's key to every step you take. You and yours teach people to walk in ignorance and fear. The blind leading the blind. Wake up Bluto....Before you hear those four deadly words.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Denadii View Post
    Christ told us to judge other Christians.....Ok Bluto I've given you several scriptures that say not to judge one another...So either you are lying or Jesus is...I choose you!
    As applies to false doctrines it The Word even teaches how to handle that. It does NOT say to even name the perpetrator of false teaching. It says to teach the truth, and to rebuke those that follow the false teachers....And you tell me to study the bible. You are preaching the doctrines of demons yourself with your lies about Jesus telling you to judge others.

    Your lying doctrines cost lives. Your judgments hurt people. Your hatred of other Christians that differ from you in doctrine is disgusting. You need to repent of all that hatred.

    Word of Faith....Yeah They teach people to live by faith. That's key to every step you take. You and yours teach people to walk in ignorance and fear. The blind leading the blind. Wake up Bluto....Before you hear those four deadly words.
    I'm going to ask you one question deanadii, do you hate me?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bluto View Post
    I'm going to ask you one question deanadii, do you hate me?

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    Bluto I do not like your bullying attitudes. but that does not stop me from loving you. I will never hate you. In spite of all our differences, You ARE my brother. That does not mean I'm going to take flack from you. It does not mean I'll lower my standards for you. It does not mean I'll sit and watch you make a fool of yourself either without saying something. Too often you start talking and are so wrong in what you say. I don't want you making a fool of yourself.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bluto View Post
    That line of reasoning is absurd. When dealing with the oneness pentecostals who teach you must be water baptized to be saved and you say "Well the thief on the cross was not water baptized and yet Jesus saved him?" They then say, "that was because the thief was in the old covenant and Jesus had not ascended so his salvation does not count in the new covenant."

    Well if that's true, then it was easier to be saved under the old covenant that it is in the new covenant. The oneness do not think things through just like denadii does not think things through with his many excuses. Besides, I gave him verses that were from the Apostles who obviously were around long after the specific teachings of our God and Savior. Keep up the good work.

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    bluto

    have you seen how Denadii has just kick started 2 of your old threads in which to argue with you?

    both from 2016

    people are going gonzo in these forums LOL!

    it would be funny, but they are gasping for air in trying to prove their cult teachings
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    oops

    make it three and counting

    such a busy fellow
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    Quote Originally Posted by sevenseas View Post
    have you seen how Denadii has just kick started 2 of your old threads in which to argue with you?

    both from 2016

    people are going gonzo in these forums LOL!

    it would be funny, but they are gasping for air in trying to prove their cult teachings
    Did you see how Sevenseas said Denadii was looking for a fight. What a trouble maker Sevenseas is!
    Denadii kickstarted these threads because they are interesting. No other reason. You need to be ashamed Sevenseas. When someone reaches your age, one would think they would have developed some wisdom
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