Defining Modesty

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Oh I bet you were hoping for that...lol....a little humor...I know it's strange on this forum.
cool thanks, figured you were just goofing around, but you never know sometimes...have a good evening...
 

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I have a young preteen nephew and I would be very upset if we came upon a women with her breasts exposed feeding a baby. Its not necessary,it is possible to be modest and still feed a baby. Not everyone is an adult and understands sexuality vs feeding a baby. To me its a mute argument. If we need to be modest in dress we can be modest feeding a baby.
If breasts are totally bare I'd agree. I didn't suggest they should be. But I've seen well meaning Christian people turn their noses over it when there was literally no skin showing. Obviously discretion is needed. But if anything a blanket causes much more of a scene and the constant "she should cover up" comments imply an immodesty that's simply not there. It can and should be done with modesty but what I was speaking of is more the mind set that if a breast is involved it's Immodest.
 
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If breasts are totally bare I'd agree. I didn't suggest they should be. But I've seen well meaning Christian people turn their noses over it when there was literally no skin showing. Obviously discretion is needed. But if anything a blanket causes much more of a scene and the constant "she should cover up" comments imply an immodesty that's simply not there. It can and should be done with modesty but what I was speaking of is more the mind set that if a breast is involved it's Immodest.


Humm I dont think I know any Christian that I know would be bothered if a blanket was used. I know when my sister had her two boys I never noticed anyone looking with disdain when she fed them.
 
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Humm I dont think I know any Christian that I know would be bothered if a blanket was used. I know when my sister had her two boys I never noticed anyone looking with disdain when she fed them.
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Back in the day it was not looked on like that. Jesus referenced that a number of times. Satan has done a work in our society and culture to undermine a normal activity such as breast feeding and put it in a sexual content.

In the garden the scriptures are talking about self awareness not sexual lust or perversion. That came later. The covering and hiding was to show condemnation had come into play. Condemnation are the chains that need to be broke. Satan grip is condemnation. We fight this every time we sin. We don't sin and become sinners ...we are sinners because we sin. Condemnation sets in and we try to hide our sin from God and sometimes the rest of the world. The nakedness here is to be transparent nothing to hide. Eve never knew Adam with clothes on and vice versa nor could any of them compare with anyone else. It was the norm.
 
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Back in the day it was not looked on like that. Jesus referenced that a number of times. Satan has done a work in our society and culture to undermine a normal activity such as breast feeding and put it in a sexual content.

In the garden the scriptures are talking about self awareness not sexual lust or perversion. That came later. The covering and hiding was to show condemnation had come into play. Condemnation are the chains that need to be broke. Satan grip is condemnation. We fight this every time we sin. We don't sin and become sinners ...we are sinners because we sin. Condemnation sets in and we try to hide our sin from God and sometimes the rest of the world. The nakedness here is to be transparent nothing to hide. Eve never knew Adam with clothes on and vice versa nor could any of them compare with anyone else. It was the norm.
Just because something is "natural" doesn't mean it's for everybody to see. Sex with your wife is natural, but my guess is that you wouldn't advocate for that in public. And just because it was the norm in the garden to be nude all of the time doesn't mean it's normal now. This is a fallen world an we have to live in it, even if we are not of it. And I don't find any verses about "back in the day" could you clarify that?
 

DiscipleDave

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Originally Posted by DiscipleDave

If what you are wearing, you think will cause others to lust, is dressing immodestly.
If what you are wearing, you think will not cause anyone to lust, that is dressed modestly.

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First, do you agree the defintion of modesty you used isn't the way it was used in 1Ti 2:9?

1Ti 2:9 In like manner also, that women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with shamefacedness and sobriety; not with broided hair, or gold, or pearls, or costly array;


The definition of modesty that i used is directly related to the underlined bold statement above. 1 Timothy 2:9 is merely instructing women to dress modestly, what we are discussing is what it means to dress modestly. Thereby to dress modestly is to dress in such a way that a person feels it will not cause others to lust. To dress immodestly is to dress in such a way that a person desires others to lust.

If so, that's fine: but point two becomes very important.
point two is merely pointing out that they should not wear such things (broided hair, gold, silver, expensive clothes) that cause others to lust.

Second, do you believe it's a sin to dress immodestly? On what basis?
Yes, because we are commanded NOT to put a stumbling block in the way of our Brothers and/or Sisters.


1Co 8:9 But take heed lest by any means this liberty of yours become a stumblingblock to them that are weak.
1Co 8:10 For if any man see thee which hast knowledge sit at meat in the idol's temple, shall not the conscience of him which is weak be emboldened to eat those things which are offered to idols;
1Co 8:11 And through thy knowledge shall the weak brother perish, for whom Christ died?
1Co 8:12 But when ye sin so against the brethren, and wound their weak conscience, ye sin against Christ.
1Co 8:13 Wherefore, if meat make my brother to offend, I will eat no flesh while the world standeth, lest I make my brother to offend.

By the way a person dresses can indeed cause others to stumble because they are weak, and will lust because how you chose to dress.

Rom_14:13 Let us not therefore judge one another any more: but judge this rather, that no man put a stumblingblock or an occasion to fall in his brother's way.

If you choose to dress in such a way that you KNOW will cause others to lust, how have you NOT put a stumblingblock in their way?

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DiscipleDave

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Know you not that we are instructed not to Judge:

Rom 14:13 Let us not therefore judge one another any more: but judge this rather, that no man put a stumblingblock or an occasion to fall in his brother's way.

To say wearing this or that is immodest. To say you should wear this or that to dress modestly. Do's and Don'ts. That is immodest, that is modest.

It is written that it is a shame for a man to have long hair, tell me what length is that? One would say over an inch, yet another will say an inch is not that long. One would say 1/2" is long.

Modesty is the same way. One person can't tell another what is modest and what is not modest. That is done within each person. We are not to judge others, but we are to judge self. Judge in your own self if you are dressing modestly or not. As i said before:

If you are dressing in such a way that YOU THINK will cause someone to lust, then you are dressed immodestly.
If you are dressing in such a way that YOU THINK will not cause anyone to lust, then you are dressed modestly.
Let not one judge another of such things. Let everyone judge in their own selves whether they are dressed modestly or not. Each person will have to stand before God and give account for how many times they have dressed in such a way that put stumblingblocks in the path of their fellow Brothers and Sisters because of how they chose to dress.
But if you dress in such a way that YOU THINK will not cause anyone to lust after you, your conscience is clear, regardless who lusts after you because of what you wore.
So then modesty is directly related to what YOU THINK, not what others think.

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