"I can´t believe in God"

Katy-follower · Jul 18, 2017

Another really good one to add to the list is: "Reasons we Believe: 50 Lines of Evidence that confirm the Christian Faith" (Nathan Busenitz) Link--> https://www.christianbook.com/reaso...faith/nathan-busenitz/9781433501463/pd/501460

It's a great book to give out to non believers. I've given it to a few atheists. Lots of scriptures in there too. It would benefit you to read it also as it brings up a lot of key scriptures. Would recommend this for new believers also!

Katy-follower · Jul 18, 2017

Psalm 14:1-3:

The fool has said in his heart,“There is no God.”
They are corrupt,
They have done abominable works,
There is none who does good.

The Lord looks down from heaven upon the children of men,
To see if there are any who understand, who seek God.
They have all turned aside,
They have together become corrupt;
There is none who does good,
No, not one.

Bladerunner · Jul 18, 2017

Jesus4ever said:

Hello, dear brethren!

I talk several times with people regarding the existence of God, most of them atheists or agnostics. Many of them simply won´t listen and refuse to talk further about the subject, some of them being impolite and disrespectful some times.

However, I had a case were the person said: "I really want to believe in God and I would follow Christ if Christianity were true. Still, I can´t believe in God. It simply makes no sense. And I believe it would be unfair for me to go to Hell, because He would know I would not reject Him if I knew He existed."

To this, I responded that Jesus said: Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you. (Matthew 7:7).

I also said that everyone finds the Lord if: [FONT=&]You will seek[/FONT][FONT=&] me and find me when you seek me with all your heart. (Jeremiah 29:13).

[/FONT][FONT=&]Still, there are people that keep stating that they would want to believe in God, but they can´t.

What is your opinion regarding this, brethren? Any advice about what to say?

Blessings!

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I have had some dealings with athiest and agnostics. Yes there are some of them want to believe in God.... But most of them have a issue with the commandments of God. They first have to deal with that issue. Sometimes it is hard to give up a life style . Some day it will be too late to give it up.

pottersclay · Jul 18, 2017

The best testamony you can give is your own. Don't you have one? If you know Christ I'm sure he told you to come as you are....but I know he loves you to much to stay that way??????........that's your testamony.

The world is blind to the truth and does not know Christ but..,..they can see you. And if they can see you......and you are in Christ......and he in you....guess who there looking at??????.

Now....the word of God is truth.....which the world doesn't know but the power of God is in the gospel (the good news) would you like to hear about it????....,

stillness · Jul 18, 2017

Those who say that they can't believe in God, actually honest? "The natural man can not receive the things of the Spirit." How de we encourage to exchange identity with Christ. Pray for the Holy Spirit to empower: Pray for the anointing. "I can do nothing of Myself but what I see the Father doing." We speak of mysteries as if we know, yet "If any man thinks he knows, he does not know as he should." If we think we know we stop learning. We acknowledge that the whole world is in the hands of Jesus, and he will not force us to learn to Love and faith works by Love. "Every man is given a measure of faith; believing is what happens when our faith works by Love, responding in thankfulness. We enter His presence with thanksgiving. I believe is helps us and the unbelievers when we are no longer fearful and trusting that He's got the whole world in His hands. Not just the believers.

Adstar · Jul 19, 2017

Jesus4ever said:

I like dealing with specifics.. I try to ask them for anything they disagree with and try and explain thaty thing in a way that will bring them to realize their onjection is not valid.. So one has to sometimes do some hard digging to find out what teaching or message or action of God that the person is having problems with.. If you can nail down the root of their objection you can deal with those issues one point at a time.. But if people are just too vague about there objection then it is very hard to respond to them.. It is hard to remove a house in one go.. But it is easy to do it one brick at a time..

Katy-follower · Jul 19, 2017

Angela53510 said:

Well that's a relief! Was a bit stunned after reading that first bit!

mcubed · Jul 19, 2017

I have used the same Scripture witnessing to people. The truth is people can believe, they already do if they are atheist or agnostic they just don’t want to because they would have to set to set their pride aside and say I am a sinner in need of a savior and answer to a creator.

G-d gives to one to plant, to another to water, but He gives the increase. This is when we must pray for the Holy Spirit’s conviction. Above all thins this is what He does convict people of their sin. I also pray that the blinders will be removed from their eyes.

The Bible says that even nature declares His Glory, men are without excuse. Let me tell you an atheist has strong faith to believe in the theory of evolution, and it their religion. I most certainly debate them on that and for an agnostic they just don’t want to bend their knee. But believing in some sort of creator than I would ask: do they have to answer to them then.?.

Ahwatukee · Jul 19, 2017

mcubed said:

In witnessing, I wouldn't even bring up peoples specific sins. Once you tell them about salvation through Christ and if they receive him, the Holy Spirit will then begin His work of sanctification, which is the process of being made holy, which is a life-long process.

mcubed · Jul 19, 2017

Ahwatukee said:

Do you lead people, in the moment, to Y-shua then if you never question their thinking and point them to a better way?

Ahwatukee · Jul 19, 2017

mcubed said:

I don't bring up their specific sins, but I tell them that everyone who comes into the world is a sinner which separates them from God and because of this they are on their way to condemning judgment. Then I tell them the good news of Christ's payment for their sins. Of course this is all based on what the spirit gives me to say in any particular situation. The Holy Spirit will take care of their personal, individual sins, convicting them.

mcubed · Jul 19, 2017

Ahwatukee said:

Yes, you are right it is the Holy Spirit that convicts, in fact He is the one that brings the increase. I’m not sure where in my post I ever said bring up a certain sin, I reread my post I talked about the faulty thinking of and atheist and agnostic. The Lord uses all of us so I rejoice the Lord uses you to bring people to Him in your way. I am very bold and will call people out, G-d uses me too. This is the perfect why should the eye say to the hand, I want to be a hand… the Lord brings us who He knows He can use each of us with and that is a beautiful thing!!!!

mcubed · Jul 19, 2017

Ahwatukee....

Our "cat" fight in the last two post, this one and the one about alcohol, has been fun. Thank you. You made being on here exciting.... Big Hug!!!!

Jesus4ever · Jul 19, 2017

Thank you for your posts, dear brethren!

Well, sometimes it´s frustrating listening: "I must admit that some of the evidence you present makes sense. Still, I can´t believe in God."

I have dozens of books about Apologetics. I´ve read some of them already. So far, my favorite is "More than a carpenter" by Sean and Josh Mcdowell. I also see/saw many videos of pastor Cliffe Knechtle ("Give me an answer"), Ravi Zacharias, Frank Turek, etc. All I want is to serve the Lord better and give the best testimony I can to those who are lost.

PennEd · Jul 19, 2017

Bladerunner said:

Sorry brother. I think the reverse is true. FIRST they need to be born again, and THEN the Holy Spirit will not only reveal sin in their life that needs to be turned from, but actively work to transform that person to the likeness of Jesus. How can they, or we, turn from sin without Jesus and the power of the Holy Spirit in the NEW life?

A dead person really can't be or do anything but be dead until they are given NEW life and are made a NEW creation. We weren't spiritually sick or injured, WE WERE DEAD!

[h=1]Ephesians 2New King James Version (NKJV)[/h][h=3]By Grace Through Faith[/h][FONT=&quot]2 And you He made alive, who were dead in trespasses and sins, 2 in which you once walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit who now works in the sons of disobedience, 3 among whom also we all once conducted ourselves in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind, and were by nature children of wrath, just as the others.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]4 But God, who is rich in mercy, because of His great love with which He loved us, 5 even when we were dead in trespasses, made us alive together with Christ (by grace you have been saved), 6 and raised us up together, and made us sit together in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus,

So we need to present the Gospel to them, show them love, and pray they will accept it.[/FONT]

preacher4truth · Jul 19, 2017

PennEd said:

Not so my friend:

Let all the house of Israel therefore know for certain that God has made him both Lord and Christ, this Jesus whom you crucified.” (1) Now when they heard this they were cut to the heart, and said to Peter and the rest of the apostles, “Brothers, what shall we do?”

And Peter said to them, (2a)“Repent and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins, and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. For the promise is for you and for your children and for all who are far off, everyone whom the Lord our God calls to himself.” And with many other words he bore witness and continued to exhort them, saying, “Save yourselves from this crooked generation.”

(2b) So those who received his word were baptized, and there were added that day about three thousand souls. -- Acts 2:37ff

Conviction always precedes conversion.

KJV1611 · Jul 19, 2017

Jesus4ever said:

Hello, dear brethren!

I talk several times with people regarding the existence of God, most of them atheists or agnostics. Many of them simply won´t listen and refuse to talk further about the subject, some of them being impolite and disrespectful some times.

However, I had a case were the person said: "I really want to believe in God and I would follow Christ if Christianity were true. Still, I can´t believe in God. It simply makes no sense. And I believe it would be unfair for me to go to Hell, because He would know I would not reject Him if I knew He existed."

To this, I responded that Jesus said: Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you. (Matthew 7:7).

I also said that everyone finds the Lord if: You will seek me and find me when you seek me with all your heart. (Jeremiah 29:13).

Still, there are people that keep stating that they would want to believe in God, but they can´t.

What is your opinion regarding this, brethren? Any advice about what to say?

Blessings!

I believe they're on the way to becoming Christians... I used to say the exact same thing. It was about 5 years later that I was actually saved.

joaniemarie · Jul 19, 2017

Jesus4ever said:

Back in 1980s I felt the same way about salvation. It would have been sooooo great to dump this impossible keep God happy scenario of... being ok with one second., being not ok and going purgatory or hell the next. So much fear and uncertainty about the destiny of my eternal soul. I so wanted to get rid of that burden of sin and fear. But mostly that confusion and never being sure.

Not sure what happens in the mind and heart of a person when the Holy Spirit does a work via the faith route as we let go of our own understanding. But when it happens it is an actual transaction that takes the person from death to life.

The devil has made it very difficult for us smart humans "who know better" to believe in God. I see the enemy has copied so many different truths about God and then distorted them. he's had years to work on this and used many religions to help keep confusion going. Making it almost impossible to distinguish the real from the fake. So most humans dump it all and hope for the best and don't realize that's exactly the way the devil wants them to go. (But just have to add., what is impossible with man is possible with God.)

The difference is Jesus Christ. There's no other name given under heaven to man so they can be saved. And the Holy Spirit is in the world now and He convicts the world of sin and the believer of righteousness. He is able to cause a willing person to see the truth and be saved. We can have confidence in that. We believers give out the Word of God and the Holy Spirit does the saving.

Not by man's words of wisdom or his many arguments of rationality about sin and death, turn or burn, be right or be left..... But the amazing pure Good News that Jesus came to save sinners because God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son that whosoever believes on Him will not perish but have everlasting life. Jesus didn't come into the world to condemn the world but that the world through Him might be saved.

Also., even later after being saved and born again and changed., we humans have a time accepting that because of Jesus we have been given alllllll things pertaining to life and Godliness. How many believers live a sub standard life here on earth because they can't believe either that God is THAT good and THAT loving to us undeserving people? We must keep on receiving from Him as believers the same way we received the first gift, by grace through faith.

PennEd · Jul 19, 2017

preacher4truth said:

That's right. They heard the Gospel and then needed to repent. Repent (change their mind) from what THEY believed was the way to Salvation. To them the Law, including animal sacrifice, was the path to Salvation.

THAT is what they needed to repent of.
If we could turn from committing sins of the flesh without the indwelling of the Holy Spirit, then Jesus didn't have to die.

I do agree with you that conviction leads a person to admit they need a Savior first. But acknowledging you need a Savior, and accepting Him, being born again, are 2 different things.

Depleted · Jul 19, 2017

Jesus4ever said:

Hello, dear brethren!

I talk several times with people regarding the existence of God, most of them atheists or agnostics. Many of them simply won´t listen and refuse to talk further about the subject, some of them being impolite and disrespectful some times.

However, I had a case were the person said: "I really want to believe in God and I would follow Christ if Christianity were true. Still, I can´t believe in God. It simply makes no sense. And I believe it would be unfair for me to go to Hell, because He would know I would not reject Him if I knew He existed."

To this, I responded that Jesus said: Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you. (Matthew 7:7).

I also said that everyone finds the Lord if: You will seek me and find me when you seek me with all your heart. (Jeremiah 29:13).

Still, there are people that keep stating that they would want to believe in God, but they can´t.

What is your opinion regarding this, brethren? Any advice about what to say?

Blessings!

I agree with your advice. That's how I became a believer. I told God I really wanted to believe he was real, and then asked him to make him real to me.

The next morning I woke up excited on how real God is.

"I can´t believe in God"

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