"I can´t believe in God"

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Jesus4ever

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Hello, dear brethren!

I talk several times with people regarding the existence of God, most of them atheists or agnostics. Many of them simply won´t listen and refuse to talk further about the subject, some of them being impolite and disrespectful some times.

However, I had a case were the person said: "I really want to believe in God and I would follow Christ if Christianity were true. Still, I can´t believe in God. It simply makes no sense. And I believe it would be unfair for me to go to Hell, because He would know I would not reject Him if I knew He existed."

To this, I responded that Jesus said: Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you. (Matthew 7:7).

I also said that everyone finds the Lord if: You will seek me and find me when you seek me with all your heart. (Jeremiah 29:13).

Still, there are people that keep stating that they would want to believe in God, but they can´t.


What is your opinion regarding this, brethren? Any advice about what to say?


Blessings!




 
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wwjd_kilden

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"Keep seeking, and remember that sometimes God isn't in the storm, but in the whisper"
 
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Zi

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and He isnt understood by logic or reasoning but when we are drawn by the Holy Spirit and acknowledge Him, then He opens up to us..

Lots of people want Him to "make sense" in the mind.. He is spiritual and the mind won't understand by itself
 

Angela53510

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First, God is the one who saves. Our job is just to be faithful and preach the gospel. Some will be saved, God says that!

"How, then, can they call on the one they have not believed in? And how can they believe in the one of whom they have not heard? And how can they hear without someone preaching to them? 15 And how can anyone preach unless they are sent? As it is written: “How beautiful are the feet of those who bring good news!” Romans 10:14-15

So make sure they understand what the gospel is. Give a clear presentation. Google "Roman Road" for the truth of the Scriptures. And PRAY! Pray for God to reveal himself to them. Pray the barriers to the truth will vanish. Pray for other people to share the gospel.

My grandmother prayed for all her grandchildren, and many are saved. I knew about Jesus growing up, but turned to atheism. God gradually moved me closer to him, over about 5 years. During that time, a revival happened where I was living! But it was scary to have so many people witnessing to me, especially in an area renowned for its eastern cults and mysticism.

One man in particular would button hole me every time I saw him, and wouldn't let me go, till I had a tract, which I never read. I didn't believe in Jim's Jesus, but I knew he did! So sometimes, passion can be an influence, but not always.

In the end, my future husband confronted with my sin, and that is the moment God used to save me, so I could repent. The next time I saw Jim, he was excited about the work God did in my life, and rejoiced with me. He played an important part in preaching the gospel, even though I truly never understood his words.

Faith is a gift from God. Pray for these people and be faithful in your witness. If you are talking about apologetics, and somehow proving God is real, that is another story. Then, you need to watch videos and read books on apologetics. And again, pray and share the gospel. That never changes.

God bless you for your heart to reach the lost!
 
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God is spirit and cannot be understood by carnal minded worldy people. Every person has the capability to believe in the Lord however there are many whose minds have been conditioned to believe in the evolution lies and other false theories. In which when actual truth is presented to them its hard to except. However nothing is impossible for God and if these people truly want him in their lives he will receive them. God never turns away those who seek him with all of their heart.
 

Jesus4ever

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(...)If you are talking about apologetics, and somehow proving God is real, that is another story. Then, you need to watch videos and read books on apologetics.(...)"
That´s the point, sister. I´ve been growing in the past year in Apologetics. I read many books (Turek, Keller, Lennox, etc) and I see many videos about the subject. Every time I speak about the Lord with atheists/agnostics, my initial approach is about the evidences of the existence of God and the divinity of Jesus.

Believe it or not, the same person that said "I want to believe in God but I can´t. It makes no sense.", thinks that many of the evidence I told makes sense...!
 
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Most people who reject God will reject because they do not want to be held accountable to the God of heaven for their actions and or life.....

I had a person once who said some of the same things you have brought forth.....some of the reasons they listed...

a. I cannot see God <---my reply...Can you see air? NO, But you know it is real because we are not turning blue and passing out.

b. How can I know God is real and in charge? <--my reply...What are the two things required to keep you alive that you do not even do or think about? Your heart beat and breathing...Both are in the hand of the LORD according to the bible.

c. How come does God allows evil in the world? <---my reply...God is not willing that any should perish and seeks for all to repent and trust into him and God will judge all things...including the evil

d. How can I know the bible is true? <--my reply....You may disagree that the bible is true, but I know one thing you cannot argue....It states that it is appointed unto men once to die....how many people do you know over 100 to 120 years of age?

At the end of the day....it is God that opens the blind mind and or moves a man to believe.....all we can do is witness, pray, set a reasonable example as believers and leave the results up to God.....You plant...maybe another waters...and maybe 1 year 5 years or 50 years down the line the seed sprouts by God giving the increase........

Just saying....
 

maxwel

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It is good to know and understand the evidences for God,
so you can answer people with sincere hearts.

However, when people say they would believe if they only had evidence, you quickly find these are usually empty words.
You discover how empty the words are the very moment you give them evidence.

You can prepare yourself to give evidences,
but you cannot make anyone believe.

People disbelieve because they WANT to disbelief... not because there is no evidence.
 
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CaptainGoat

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Hello, dear brethren!

I talk several times with people regarding the existence of God, most of them atheists or agnostics. Many of them simply won´t listen and refuse to talk further about the subject, some of them being impolite and disrespectful some times.

However, I had a case were the person said: "I really want to believe in God and I would follow Christ if Christianity were true. Still, I can´t believe in God. It simply makes no sense. And I believe it would be unfair for me to go to Hell, because He would know I would not reject Him if I knew He existed."

To this, I responded that Jesus said: Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you. (Matthew 7:7).

I also said that everyone finds the Lord if: You will seek me and find me when you seek me with all your heart. (Jeremiah 29:13).

Still, there are people that keep stating that they would want to believe in God, but they can´t.


What is your opinion regarding this, brethren? Any advice about what to say?


Blessings!




You have planted the first seeds. :) Allow Jesus to shine on them and the Holy Spirit to water them! :)
 

Angela53510

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Another thing to consider, is that people like to hold onto their sin. Sin is disobedience and rebellion against God. So, if you don't want to give up things that are wrong, then the easiest out is to say you can't believe because the evidence isn't there.

So many people witnessed to me! But my husband hit me in the face with a baseball bat, metaphorically speaking, by talking about sin. He went through all the people in the Bibke who sinned, and how God saved them. I knew the stories from Sunday School. Then he asked me about my sin.

That baseball bat ended up battering down the walls of my proud heart, instead of my face. God broke through! But he used my husband to do it.
 

EarsToHear

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John 1:10 He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not.


That's because most of the world is deaf and blind, spiritually speaking, of course. Nothing new under the sun.

Romans 11:8 According as it is written (Isaiah 29:10), God hath given them the spirit of slumber, eyes that they should not see, and ears that they should not hear; unto this day.

Paul is telling us that the reason that the rest of the world is blind to the truth, is because it is written in the Scripture. It is for the elect to take the time to check it out. This word "slumber" in the Greek, would better be translated "stupor". In the Greek, it is "Katanuxis".

God placed the spirit of stupor on all those that are not part of the elect. They are not asleep but they are in a stupor, and they just don't know what is going on, and they will not in this earth age.

Down through all generations, even to this final generation, those eyes will not see, and their ears will not hear and understand the Word of God. Why? Because God told us that this would happen way back in Isaiah 29:10; "For the Lord hath poured out upon you the spirit of deep sleep, and hath closed your eyes: the prophets and your rulers, the seers hath He covered."

God even gave this prophecy to Moses in Deuteronomy 29:4; "Yet the Lord hath not given you an heart to perceive, and eyes to see, and ears to hear, unto this day."

The "heart to perceive", is the mind to understand.

By the hardening of the heart of those that would not believe, God caused that whole generation of Moses day to die in the wilderness and not go into the promised land, because of their disbelief. The only ones to enter into the promised land where the young, and the two that did have faith in God's ability to give Israel the victory.

Those two were Joshua and Caleb.

What God is telling us then in Romans 11:8, is that even when it looks like the whole population has sunk into this stupor, and hardness of heart; God has reserved His elect to Himself, and they will be protected and know the truth in their mind and not be deceived. This applies to every generation, to Moses time, Isaiah's generation, to Paul's age, and also to us in this final generation.

Just as Moses roamed the wilderness for an entire generation of forty years, and when the generation of the stupor died off; then all the youth that had matured, entered that promised land in victory.

There is a generation that will spiritually die off, and fall to the point of this spiritual stupor. Then upon the arrival of the Antichrist [Satan] and his locust army of fallen angels, every last one of them will be deceived and worship the Antichrist (instead of Christ in the Greek) in ignorance, thinking him to be the true Christ.

They will do this in their ignorant stupor, because they willingly listened to their false prophets, religious leaders, and religious seers, as they spouted off their traditions of men. God's elect that He has set aside will not in that stupor, for they will know the Antichrist for who He is.

The elect is prepared because God has opened their minds. God will give His elect a mind that will see what is going on before them, and hear the word and know the truth from deception. Upon the return of Jesus Christ, they will be ready to enter the Millennium age as victors, and not in shame.

Matthew 7:6 Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you.

This is referring to Proverbs 9:7; "He that reproveth a scorner getteth to himself shame: And he that rebuketh a wicked man getteth himself a blot."

blot - 3971 m'uwm usually muwm-
blemish, spot, defect
a) used of physical defect
b) used of moral stain

If you go out to some stiffed necked drunk, and try to give your pearls of wisdom to him, he is liable to set you back on your rear and make your nose a blot. When you try to preach to a wicked man, he will mock you for even trying. He doesn't have any sense or knowledge concerning God's Word.

Acts 28:25-27
25 And when they agreed not among themselves, they departed, after that Paul had spoken one word, Well spake the Holy Ghost by Esaias the prophet unto our fathers,
26 Saying, Go unto this people, and say, Hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and not perceive:
27 For the heart of this people is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes have they closed; lest they should see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.


 

Angela53510

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I want to recommend some books for you to read, if you can afford them.

"Evidence that demands a verdict" Josh McDowell. I personally find the font hard to read on my copy, but it is a classic.

"Why Good Argments Often Fail" James W Sire

"To Everyone an Answer" ed. Francis Beckwith, William Lane Craig, JP Moreland

"Is God Just a Human Invention? And Seventeen Other Questions Raised by New Atheists" Sean McDowell and Jonathan Morrow

"Humble Apologetics: Defending the Faith Today" John G Stackhouse

"The Reason For God: Belief in an Age of Skepticism" Timothy Keller

"Hard Questions, Real Answers" William Lane Craig

"The Case for Christ" and "The Case for a Creator" by Lee Strobel

I have some much harder, seminary and doctorate level books, I can send you the titles, but these would make a good start for you.
 

prove-all

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Isaiah 29:9 Stay yourselves, and wonder; cry ye out, and cry: they are drunken,
but not with wine; they stagger, but not with strong drink.

The next verse shows what was done

Isaiah 29:10 For the LORD hath poured out upon you the spirit of deep sleep,
and hath closed your eyes: the prophets and your rulers, the seers hath he covered.

Paul confirms the same here in Romans

Romans 11:8 (According as it is written, God hath given them the spirit of slumber,
eyes that they should not see, and ears that they should not hear) unto this day.

As Jesus said

Mat 13:14 And in them is fulfilled the prophecy of Esaias, which saith,
By hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand;
and seeing ye shall see, and shall not perceive:

-"This people's heart"

Mat 13:15 For this people's heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing,
and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with their eyes,
and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart,
and should be converted, and I should heal them.

-Then to His diciples (the remnant according to the election of grace) Jesus says,

Mat 13:16 But blessed are your eyes, for they see: and your ears, for they hear.

-Whereas the rest are being shown as blinded

Paul himself repeats the same words of Isaiah to the Jews in Acts 28:26-27
And Paul finishes by saying to them

Acts 28:28 Be it known therefore unto you, that the salvation of God
is sent unto the Gentiles, and that they will hear it.

"They will hear it".
 
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I want to recommend some books for you to read, if you can afford them.

"Evidence that demands a verdict" Josh McDowell. I personally find the font hard to read on my copy, but it is a classic.

"Why Good Argments Often Fail" James W Sire

"To Everyone an Answer" ed. Francis Beckwith, William Lane Craig, JP Moreland

"Is God Just a Human Invention? And Seventeen Other Questions Raised by New Atheists" Sean McDowell and Jonathan Morrow

"Humble Apologetics: Defending the Faith Today" John G Stackhouse

"The Reason For God: Belief in an Age of Skepticism" Timothy Keller

"Hard Questions, Real Answers" William Lane Craig

"The Case for Christ" and "The Case for a Creator" by Lee Strobel

I have some much harder, seminary and doctorate level books, I can send you the titles, but these would make a good start for you.
I have a question....it is just a question.....above you push all these books written by people and even reference the "much harder seminary and doctorate level books" yet said the following above...

He went through all the people in the Bible who sinned, and how God saved them. I knew the stories from Sunday School. Then he asked me about my sin.

That baseball bat ended up battering down the walls of my proud heart, instead of my face. God broke through! But he used my husband to do it.

Why not just recommend the bible?
 
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Hello, dear brethren!

I talk several times with people regarding the existence of God, most of them atheists or agnostics. Many of them simply won´t listen and refuse to talk further about the subject, some of them being impolite and disrespectful some times.

However, I had a case were the person said: "I really want to believe in God and I would follow Christ if Christianity were true. Still, I can´t believe in God. It simply makes no sense. And I believe it would be unfair for me to go to Hell, because He would know I would not reject Him if I knew He existed."

To this, I responded that Jesus said: Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you. (Matthew 7:7).

I also said that everyone finds the Lord if: You will seek me and find me when you seek me with all your heart. (Jeremiah 29:13).

Still, there are people that keep stating that they would want to believe in God, but they can´t.


What is your opinion regarding this, brethren? Any advice about what to say?


Blessings!




wrongly post on here .................................................................. sorry
 
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OneFaith

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Hello, dear brethren!

I talk several times with people regarding the existence of God, most of them atheists or agnostics. Many of them simply won´t listen and refuse to talk further about the subject, some of them being impolite and disrespectful some times.

However, I had a case were the person said: "I really want to believe in God and I would follow Christ if Christianity were true. Still, I can´t believe in God. It simply makes no sense. And I believe it would be unfair for me to go to Hell, because He would know I would not reject Him if I knew He existed."

To this, I responded that Jesus said: Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you. (Matthew 7:7).

I also said that everyone finds the Lord if: You will seek me and find me when you seek me with all your heart. (Jeremiah 29:13).

Still, there are people that keep stating that they would want to believe in God, but they can´t.


What is your opinion regarding this, brethren? Any advice about what to say?


Blessings!




The Bible has this covered. "A fool says in his heart there is God." "We are surrounded by such a great cloud of witnesses." "His invisable qualities are clearly seen in what has been created, so that man is without excuse."

God always leaves room for faith because "Without faith it is impossible to please God." And there is another verse that basically says that disbelief is the same as disobey. God has every situation covered- even those who have never seen a Bible in order to know God's laws- that their conscience is a law onto themselves, and they'll be judged according that.

I know this is hard to believe, but I remember being in the womb and thinking about God. I remember crawling in a diaper before I could walk, thinking about God. Before anyone ever even introduced the thought to me, I knew Him and loved Him my entire life. The Bible says "Every creature knows the Creator." Therefore, according to God, the problem you mentioned does not exist- therefore they have to be suppressing the truth in their heart.

But let's just say I had this problem. What I would do is do what's right. There's nothing wrong with going to church, or the teachings of the Bible. If your enemy is hungry, feed him. There is nothing wrong with being as innocent as I can be on my part.

But I can't imagine not seeing it. God is love, and love is spiritual not physical. Therefore I would have to believe at least in spirituality. I can clearly see that evil exists. I watch the show Criminal Minds, and I know it's based off of real things that do happen in our world. Therefore, I would have to believe in right and wrong, and know that there are sources of good and evil- God and Satan. Especially since most people in the world believe this- that's nothing to sneeze at.

At the very least your conscience should tell you what's right and wrong, and you should choose to do right. You can be happy doing what's wrong, but you cannot experience joy when doing what's wrong. Joy is guiltless happiness, innocent happiness. So your own conscience should recognize the spiritual.
 
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breno785au

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I used to secretly want God to be real and then after I asked in the car on the way home one night He revealed Himself to me.

I think people like myself once was, would eventually meet Him but just not at that point in time you interacted with them.

Could be a week, months, or years away.
 
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Hello, dear brethren!

I talk several times with people regarding the existence of God, most of them atheists or agnostics. Many of them simply won´t listen and refuse to talk further about the subject, some of them being impolite and disrespectful some times.

However, I had a case were the person said: "I really want to believe in God and I would follow Christ if Christianity were true. Still, I can´t believe in God. It simply makes no sense. And I believe it would be unfair for me to go to Hell, because He would know I would not reject Him if I knew He existed."

To this, I responded that Jesus said: Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you. (Matthew 7:7).

I also said that everyone finds the Lord if: You will seek me and find me when you seek me with all your heart. (Jeremiah 29:13).

Still, there are people that keep stating that they would want to believe in God, but they can´t.


What is your opinion regarding this, brethren? Any advice about what to say?


Blessings!




Of course they cannot believe in God. Faith in God is God's gift -- Ephesians 1:19; Romans 12:3; Philippians 1:29. It isn't mental assent to facts as they assert, instead it is supernatural, a gift of God.
 
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Of course they cannot believe in God. Faith in God is God's gift -- Ephesians 1:19; Romans 12:3; Philippians 1:29. It isn't mental assent to facts as they assert, instead it is supernatural, a gift of God.
There are a few who do not believe that.....I do.......God is the source of all things spiritual IMO
 
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There are a few who do not believe that.....I do.......God is the source of all things spiritual IMO
Right. He isn't only the source of all things spiritual, He is the source of all things period as you well know. And brother, this isn't opinion, it is biblical. This is what He has revealed to us.