The “I Wills” of God

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All these lies about who did what with respect to the law!
ALL OF IT was given by God to Moses.
This fiction, and it is a fiction, of the "law of God" and the "law of Moses" needs to stop!
The law was never split up in the way suggested.
Most emphatically the phrases "law of God" and "law of Moses" are used interchangeably to refer to the ten commandments and the whole law.

Either Jesus Christ fulfilled the whole law (including the ten commandments) or He did not!
There is no such thing as bits still binding and other bits fulfilled!

Under the New Covenant no believer is bound under any part of the covenant God made with Moses (and that includes the ten commandments)!
Why do you say they are lies ? did you not read the scriptures I supplied....saying that God spoke the 10 Commandments and wrote them on stone....there is no mention of any others running into hundreds. Are you saying SCRIPTURE is lying ?
Looks to me you are one of those who REFUSE to hear God and only want to hear Moses Ex 20v19. Deut 5v27.
Indeed they are not binding in the NT but it shows God who is willingly, lovingly and obediently observing them...seeing they were never abolished Mat 5v17-19.
 

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God only spoke the 10 commandments the tablets of the testimony was the Law of Moses...seems you lawyers need to go back to Law school and stop watching Charley Heston breaking tablets, before trying to condemn us heathens

Do you teach younger women to camp outside for 7 days when they start their menstrual cycles? and did you do this as well?

If not....there is no covenant in you and you are guilty as charged...
The carnal works commandments you mention are not part of the 10 spiritual Commandments but are part of Moses law which no longer apply. It is entirely your own confusion and misunderstanding that cause you to err. IF you believed scripture you would not have this problem !
 
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The carnal works commandments you mention are not part of the 10 spiritual Commandments but are part of Moses law which no longer apply. It is entirely your own confusion and misunderstanding that cause you to err. IF you believed scripture you would not have this problem !
DO you keep the WHOLE law or not?
 
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The carnal works commandments you mention are not part of the 10 spiritual Commandments but are part of Moses law which no longer apply. It is entirely your own confusion and misunderstanding that cause you to err. IF you believed scripture you would not have this problem !
God wrote 20 commandments, but Moses broke the first set of tablets, lol... jk
 
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God wrote 20 commandments, but Moses broke the first set of tablets, lol... jk
people are still trying to figure out what those first ten were..

They can;t keep the second ten, What makes them think they could keep the first? lol
 

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DO you keep the WHOLE law or not?
I try to keep the 10 Commandments of loving God and neighbour given by God and taught and lived by Jesus !
Don't bring the law of Moses into this - it is not spiritual or eternal.
 
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I try to keep the 10 Commandments of loving God and neighbour given by God and taught and lived by Jesus !
Don't bring the law of Moses into this - it is not spiritual or eternal.
OK, then stop telling people they must keep the law to be saved...
 
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people are still trying to figure out what those first ten were..

They can;t keep the second ten, What makes them think they could keep the first? lol
Haha, humorous indeed. :)

I've read a write up about this misconception about who wrote on the tablets, surely it was God both times. :)

the Lord gave him on Mount Sinai, God commanded him to cut out two tablets of stone (like the first ones) and present himself to Him at the top of Mount Sinai—again (Exodus 34:1-2). Skeptics claim the Bible teaches in Exodus 34 that Moses wrote on this second pair of tablets, whereas in Deuteronomy 10 it says that God is the One Who wrote on these tablets. Based upon this “difference,” they allege that a blatant contradiction exists. A closer examination of these passages, however, reveals that they are not contradictory, but rather complimentary and consistent with each other.

We readily admit that Deuteronomy 10 teaches that God was the One Who wrote on the second pair of tablets. Verses 1-4 of that chapter say:

At that time the Lord said to me (Moses), “Hew for yourself two tablets of stone like the first, and come up to Me on the mountain and make yourself an ark of wood. And I [God] will write on the tablets the words that were on the first tablets, which you broke; and you shall put them in the ark.” So I [Moses] made an ark of acacia wood, hewed two tablets of stone like the first, and went up the mountain, having the two tablets in my hand. And He (God) wrote on the tablets according to the first writing, the Ten Commandments, which the Lord had spoken to you in the mountain from the midst of the fire in the day of the assembly; and the Lord gave them to me (Deuteronomy 10:1-4, emp. and parenthetical items added).
This passage teaches that Moses hewed the tablets out of rock, but that God was the One Who wrote on them. Skeptics agree.

The controversial passage found in Exodus 34 states: “Then the Lord said to Moses, ‘ Write these words, for according to the tenor of these words I have made a covenant with you and with Israel.’ So he was there with the Lord forty days and forty nights; he neither ate bread nor drank water. And He wrote on the tablets the words of the covenant, the Ten Commandments” (34:27-28). Based upon this passage, critics of the Bible’s inerrancy suggest that Moses, not God, wrote on the second pair of tablets. Thus they conclude that Exodus 34 and Deuteronomy 10 contradict one another.

Admittedly, at first glance it seems these verses teach: (1) that Moses was commanded to write the words on the second pair of tablets; and (2) the recorded fact that after he was commanded to do so, he (Moses) actually “wrote on the tablets the words of the covenant.” But what may seem to be the correct interpretation of a passage is sometimes not the case, especially when the context of the passage is ignored. The words that God instructed Moses to write were “ these words,” which He spoke in the preceding verses (i.e., 34:10-26—the ceremonial and judicial injunctions, not the ten “words” of Exodus 20:2-17). The rewriting of the Ten Commandments on the newly prepared slabs was done by God’s own hand. God specifically stated in the first verse of Exodus 34 that He (not Moses) would write the same words that had been written on the first tablets of stone that Moses broke. In verse 28 of that chapter, we have it on record that God did what He said He would do in verse one (cf. Deuteronomy 10:2-4). The only thing verse 27 teaches is that Moses wrote the list of regulations given in verses 10-26. That these regulations were not the Ten Commandments is obvious in that there are not even ten of them listed.

Contrary to what skeptics allege, Exodus 34 and Deuteronomy 10 are not contradictory. Moses was not acting under divine direction to physically write the Decalogue on the second pair of tablets. Rather, “God Himself...made the inscription a second time with His own hand, to testify the importance He attached to the Ten Commandments”
 

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OK, then stop telling people they must keep the law to be saved...
So can I just ask you if you think it's irrelevant to God whether or not you choose to do His Will ?
Do you think that somehow making it your own choice lets you off being submissive and obedient ?
 
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It seems beta is only talking about the moral side of the Law: murder, adultery, idolatry, etc..... all of which was carried over in the NT.:)
 
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Haha, humorous indeed. :)

I've read a write up about this misconception about who wrote on the tablets, surely it was God both times. :)

the Lord gave him on Mount Sinai, God commanded him to cut out two tablets of stone (like the first ones) and present himself to Him at the top of Mount Sinai—again (Exodus 34:1-2). Skeptics claim the Bible teaches in Exodus 34 that Moses wrote on this second pair of tablets, whereas in Deuteronomy 10 it says that God is the One Who wrote on these tablets. Based upon this “difference,” they allege that a blatant contradiction exists. A closer examination of these passages, however, reveals that they are not contradictory, but rather complimentary and consistent with each other.

We readily admit that Deuteronomy 10 teaches that God was the One Who wrote on the second pair of tablets. Verses 1-4 of that chapter say:

At that time the Lord said to me (Moses), “Hew for yourself two tablets of stone like the first, and come up to Me on the mountain and make yourself an ark of wood. And I [God] will write on the tablets the words that were on the first tablets, which you broke; and you shall put them in the ark.” So I [Moses] made an ark of acacia wood, hewed two tablets of stone like the first, and went up the mountain, having the two tablets in my hand. And He (God) wrote on the tablets according to the first writing, the Ten Commandments, which the Lord had spoken to you in the mountain from the midst of the fire in the day of the assembly; and the Lord gave them to me (Deuteronomy 10:1-4, emp. and parenthetical items added).
This passage teaches that Moses hewed the tablets out of rock, but that God was the One Who wrote on them. Skeptics agree.

The controversial passage found in Exodus 34 states: “Then the Lord said to Moses, ‘ Write these words, for according to the tenor of these words I have made a covenant with you and with Israel.’ So he was there with the Lord forty days and forty nights; he neither ate bread nor drank water. And He wrote on the tablets the words of the covenant, the Ten Commandments” (34:27-28). Based upon this passage, critics of the Bible’s inerrancy suggest that Moses, not God, wrote on the second pair of tablets. Thus they conclude that Exodus 34 and Deuteronomy 10 contradict one another.

Admittedly, at first glance it seems these verses teach: (1) that Moses was commanded to write the words on the second pair of tablets; and (2) the recorded fact that after he was commanded to do so, he (Moses) actually “wrote on the tablets the words of the covenant.” But what may seem to be the correct interpretation of a passage is sometimes not the case, especially when the context of the passage is ignored. The words that God instructed Moses to write were “ these words,” which He spoke in the preceding verses (i.e., 34:10-26—the ceremonial and judicial injunctions, not the ten “words” of Exodus 20:2-17). The rewriting of the Ten Commandments on the newly prepared slabs was done by God’s own hand. God specifically stated in the first verse of Exodus 34 that He (not Moses) would write the same words that had been written on the first tablets of stone that Moses broke. In verse 28 of that chapter, we have it on record that God did what He said He would do in verse one (cf. Deuteronomy 10:2-4). The only thing verse 27 teaches is that Moses wrote the list of regulations given in verses 10-26. That these regulations were not the Ten Commandments is obvious in that there are not even ten of them listed.

Contrary to what skeptics allege, Exodus 34 and Deuteronomy 10 are not contradictory. Moses was not acting under divine direction to physically write the Decalogue on the second pair of tablets. Rather, “God Himself...made the inscription a second time with His own hand, to testify the importance He attached to the Ten Commandments”
some times it just takes a clear head, and open mind, and a study, and all the contradictions fade away.
 
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Originally Posted by LoveGodForever
No the 10 commandments (God's Law) is not part of the 613. I am not sure if that question makes much sense. Its like saying how many Laws are in the 10 commandments? God's Law is the 10 commandments which were the Work of God, written by God with His own finger on two tables of stone and placed in the Ark of the Covenant hence God's Law. The laws of Moses written by Moses in a book included the civil Laws of Israel as well as all the ceremonial and Levitical laws in relation to the Sanctuary, burnt offerings for sin, feast days, new moons, holy days and health laws many of which were nailed to the cross (Col 2:14) If you want more info here please see the linked posts here;

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God verbally gave the 10 commandments and the other laws were written on stone.....seems that you are so entangled into the law, you really have no idea about them, but sure like to push them on people....Exodus 20New American Standard Bible (NASB)The Ten Commandments20 Then God spoke all these words, saying. The fact you do not know that God spoke the 10 commandments and the fact you cannot comprehend they are part of the 613 laws and that fact you never answered my question, make it seem you are not at all qualified to be teaching anyone...let alone those of us that we are under grace and not the law....
Hi Meggido,

Why do you think I do not know that God spoke the 10 commandments as well as writing them with His own finger on two tables of stone? I have said this same thing in many other posts in the past. My point is that it is the work of God and that God did it by himself without man’s involvement and it is His work alone and spoken by God to His people by God alone. Just goes to show it must have been pretty important don’t you think for God to go to all that effort? God’s Law (the 10) is the work of God and this is my point and it is forever.

Ecc 3:14
I know that, whatsoever God doeth, it shall be for ever: nothing can be put to it, nor any thing taken from it: and God doeth it, that men should fear before him.

God bless you all:rolleyes:
 
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OK, then stop telling people they must keep the law to be saved...

HI Meggido

No one is telling people that they must keep God’s Laws to be saved only you are saying this. We are saved but Faith in God’s Word as we walk in the Spirit. Obedience is the fruit of God working in us as we have faith in His Word. For by grace are you saved through faith and not of yourselves it is a gift of God.

God bless everyone
 
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This is an excellent article that looks at the difference between the Old Covenant which is obsolete and is a goner and looks at the New Covenant which is where us Christians live in now.

I like this website as it has grace-based views of the finished work of Christ and how we are to rely on Christ and what he has already done for us in the cross and resurrection.

It also has at the bottom a place where others have asked questions and sometimes I learn from this area as well.

The “I Wills” of God

At the foot of Mt Sinai the Israelites boasted “We will do everything the Lord commands” (Ex 19:8). Perhaps you have said something similar, but this is a fatal boast, and a recipe for disaster. Make an impossible promise and you will invariably break it.

What the Lord demands you cannot provide. This is the lesson of the old covenant, yet many have not learned it. They’re stuck on the vicious cycle of making and breaking promises, repenting, then promising to do better next time.

Oh, how we need a revelation of the new covenant that is based on his unbreakable promises to us.

I will make an everlasting covenant with them: I will never stop doing good to them, and I will inspire them to fear me, so that they will never turn away from me. (Jeremiah 32:40)

The difference between the old and the new is we will versus he will. In the old, we broke our word again and again, but in the new He keeps his word forever. It’s a huge difference. We no longer wobble on the shaky ground of our resolve, but we stand secure on the Rock of Ages.





List all the promises you have ever made to the Lord and you will find it is a worthless list. Every promise is either a launch pad to disappointment (“Sorry I let you down”) or pride (“Look how good I am”). Your carnal promises ain’t worth spit.

How much better to list the promises the Lord has made to us. Every promise is pure gold. Whether you stand or fall, his promises remain as reliable as ever.

So let us quit making promises we can’t keep and trust in the eternal promises of our Father. Let us give up the futile practice of saying “I will” and put our faith in the “I wills” of God. Here they are:

I will make an everlasting covenant with them (Jer 32:40)

I will never stop doing good to you (Jer 32:40)

I will bless you (Gen 22:17)

I will be your God, and you will be my people (Jer 31:33, Eze 36:28, Heb 8:10)

I will have compassion on you (Is 54:8)

I will forgive your wickedness (Jer 31:34, Heb 8:12)

I will remember your sins no more (Jer 31:34, Heb 8:12)

I will sprinkle clean water on you, and you will be clean (Eze 36:25)

I will cleanse you from all your impurities and from all your idols (Eze 36:25)

I will give you a new heart (Eze 36:26)

I will put my Spirit in you (Eze 36:25)

I will save you (Eze 36:29)

I will not forget you (Is 49:15)

I will strengthen you (Isa 41:10)

I will help you (Isa 41:10)

I will uphold you with my righteous right hand (Isa 41:10)

I will be with you when you pass through the waters and flame (Is 43:2)

I will instruct you and teach you in the way which you should go (Psa 32:8)

I will counsel you with my eye upon you (Psa 32:8)

I will multiply the fruit of the tree and the produce of the field (Eze 36:30)

I will rescue you from every attack and will bring you safely to my heavenly kingdom (2 Tim 4:18)

I will never cast you out (John 6:37)

I will never leave you or forsake you (Heb 13:5)

I will never blot out your name from the book of life (Rev 3:5)

I will raise you up on the last day (John 6:39-40)

What the Lord requires, He provides. This is the lesson of the new covenant and we need to learn it. Everything you need – salvation, holiness, righteousness – He freely supplies according to the riches of his grace in Christ Jesus.

Find your rest in God’s good word and be set free from the endless cycle of making and breaking promises. There are no ifs in God’s promises to us, no conditions for you to fulfill. All He asks is that you take Him at His word. All He requires is that you believe in His eternal goodness as revealed in Jesus.

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Here is the place if you want to ask a question or just read them. It's a new posting so there might not be much there right now - but there will...:)

https://escapetoreality.org/2017/07/20/the-i-wills-of-god/
For He says to Moses, “I will have mercy on whom I have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion.”[Romans 9:15]

You missed this one. ;)
 
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Lazy sinful people who do not walk in the ways of Jesus inherit only judgement.

Blind guides will always point at the promises and claim they inherit them without
paying the price.

So have all the fools who will be thrown into Hell believing everything was safe
when Jesus quietly spoke the truth to those who would listen and learn.

Repent, confess, believe and walk in His ways, and He will honour His promises to
His people.