The “I Wills” of God

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This is an excellent article that looks at the difference between the Old Covenant which is obsolete and is a goner and looks at the New Covenant which is where us Christians live in now.

I like this website as it has grace-based views of the finished work of Christ and how we are to rely on Christ and what he has already done for us in the cross and resurrection.

It also has at the bottom a place where others have asked questions and sometimes I learn from this area as well.

The “I Wills” of God

At the foot of Mt Sinai the Israelites boasted “We will do everything the Lord commands” (Ex 19:8). Perhaps you have said something similar, but this is a fatal boast, and a recipe for disaster. Make an impossible promise and you will invariably break it.

What the Lord demands you cannot provide. This is the lesson of the old covenant, yet many have not learned it. They’re stuck on the vicious cycle of making and breaking promises, repenting, then promising to do better next time.

Oh, how we need a revelation of the new covenant that is based on his unbreakable promises to us.

I will make an everlasting covenant with them: I will never stop doing good to them, and I will inspire them to fear me, so that they will never turn away from me. (Jeremiah 32:40)

The difference between the old and the new is we will versus he will. In the old, we broke our word again and again, but in the new He keeps his word forever. It’s a huge difference. We no longer wobble on the shaky ground of our resolve, but we stand secure on the Rock of Ages.





List all the promises you have ever made to the Lord and you will find it is a worthless list. Every promise is either a launch pad to disappointment (“Sorry I let you down”) or pride (“Look how good I am”). Your carnal promises ain’t worth spit.

How much better to list the promises the Lord has made to us. Every promise is pure gold. Whether you stand or fall, his promises remain as reliable as ever.

So let us quit making promises we can’t keep and trust in the eternal promises of our Father. Let us give up the futile practice of saying “I will” and put our faith in the “I wills” of God. Here they are:

I will make an everlasting covenant with them (Jer 32:40)

I will never stop doing good to you (Jer 32:40)

I will bless you (Gen 22:17)

I will be your God, and you will be my people (Jer 31:33, Eze 36:28, Heb 8:10)

I will have compassion on you (Is 54:8)

I will forgive your wickedness (Jer 31:34, Heb 8:12)

I will remember your sins no more (Jer 31:34, Heb 8:12)

I will sprinkle clean water on you, and you will be clean (Eze 36:25)

I will cleanse you from all your impurities and from all your idols (Eze 36:25)

I will give you a new heart (Eze 36:26)

I will put my Spirit in you (Eze 36:25)

I will save you (Eze 36:29)

I will not forget you (Is 49:15)

I will strengthen you (Isa 41:10)

I will help you (Isa 41:10)

I will uphold you with my righteous right hand (Isa 41:10)

I will be with you when you pass through the waters and flame (Is 43:2)

I will instruct you and teach you in the way which you should go (Psa 32:8)

I will counsel you with my eye upon you (Psa 32:8)

I will multiply the fruit of the tree and the produce of the field (Eze 36:30)

I will rescue you from every attack and will bring you safely to my heavenly kingdom (2 Tim 4:18)

I will never cast you out (John 6:37)

I will never leave you or forsake you (Heb 13:5)

I will never blot out your name from the book of life (Rev 3:5)

I will raise you up on the last day (John 6:39-40)

What the Lord requires, He provides. This is the lesson of the new covenant and we need to learn it. Everything you need – salvation, holiness, righteousness – He freely supplies according to the riches of his grace in Christ Jesus.

Find your rest in God’s good word and be set free from the endless cycle of making and breaking promises. There are no ifs in God’s promises to us, no conditions for you to fulfill. All He asks is that you take Him at His word. All He requires is that you believe in His eternal goodness as revealed in Jesus.

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Here is the place if you want to ask a question or just read them. It's a new posting so there might not be much there right now - but there will...:)

https://escapetoreality.org/2017/07/20/the-i-wills-of-god/
 
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This is an excellent article that looks at the difference between the Old Covenant which is obsolete and is a goner and looks at the New Covenant which is where us Christians live in now.
If the OT is "obsolete", why then does Paul "Hypergrace" Ellis use all those OT scriptures in red below?

I like this website as it has grace-based views of the finished work of Christ and how we are to rely on Christ and what he has already done for us in the cross and resurrection.

It also has at the bottom a place where others have asked questions and sometimes I learn from this area as well.

The “I Wills” of God

At the foot of Mt Sinai the Israelites boasted “We will do everything the Lord commands” (Ex 19:8). Perhaps you have said something similar, but this is a fatal boast, and a recipe for disaster. Make an impossible promise and you will invariably break it.

What the Lord demands you cannot provide. This is the lesson of the old covenant, yet many have not learned it. They’re stuck on the vicious cycle of making and breaking promises, repenting, then promising to do better next time.

Oh, how we need a revelation of the new covenant that is based on his unbreakable promises to us.

I will make an everlasting covenant with them: I will never stop doing good to them, and I will inspire them to fear me, so that they will never turn away from me. (Jeremiah 32:40)

The difference between the old and the new is we will versus he will. In the old, we broke our word again and again, but in the new He keeps his word forever. It’s a huge difference. We no longer wobble on the shaky ground of our resolve, but we stand secure on the Rock of Ages.





List all the promises you have ever made to the Lord and you will find it is a worthless list. Every promise is either a launch pad to disappointment (“Sorry I let you down”) or pride (“Look how good I am”). Your carnal promises ain’t worth spit.

How much better to list the promises the Lord has made to us. Every promise is pure gold. Whether you stand or fall, his promises remain as reliable as ever.

So let us quit making promises we can’t keep and trust in the eternal promises of our Father. Let us give up the futile practice of saying “I will” and put our faith in the “I wills” of God.
Isn't he saying let quit making a commitment to God? Making a commitment means making a promise.

Again, that can be translated as not being responsible to do anything.

I will make an everlasting covenant with them (Jer 32:40)

I will never stop doing good to you (Jer 32:40)

I will bless you (Gen 22:17)

I will be your God, and you will be my people (Jer 31:33, Eze 36:28, Heb 8:10)

I will have compassion on you (Is 54:8)

I will forgive your wickedness (Jer 31:34, Heb 8:12)

I will remember your sins no more (Jer 31:34, Heb 8:12)

I will sprinkle clean water on you, and you will be clean (Eze 36:25)

I will cleanse you from all your impurities and from all your idols (Eze 36:25)

I will give you a new heart (Eze 36:26)

I will put my Spirit in you (Eze 36:25)

I will save you (Eze 36:29)

I will not forget you (Is 49:15)

I will strengthen you (Isa 41:10)

I will help you (Isa 41:10)

I will uphold you with my righteous right hand (Isa 41:10)

I will be with you when you pass through the waters and flame (Is 43:2)

I will instruct you and teach you in the way which you should go (Psa 32:8)

I will counsel you with my eye upon you (Psa 32:8)

I will multiply the fruit of the tree and the produce of the field (Eze 36:30)


I will rescue you from every attack and will bring you safely to my heavenly kingdom (2 Tim 4:18)

I will never cast you out (John 6:37)

I will never leave you or forsake you (Heb 13:5)

I will never blot out your name from the book of life (Rev 3:5)

I will raise you up on the last day (John 6:39-40)

What the Lord requires, He provides. This is the lesson of the new covenant and we need to learn it. Everything you need – salvation, holiness, righteousness – He freely supplies according to the riches of his grace in Christ Jesus.

Find your rest in God’s good word and be set free from the endless cycle of making and breaking promises. There are no ifs in God’s promises to us, no conditions for you to fulfill. All He asks is that you take Him at His word. All He requires is that you believe in His eternal goodness as revealed in Jesus.

Unquote:

Here is the place if you want to ask a question or just read them. It's a new posting so there might not be much there right now - but there will...:)

https://escapetoreality.org/2017/07/20/the-i-wills-of-god/
The readers need to be informed that this is a hypergrace web site which teaches heresy.
For example, Ellis uses this scripture out of context, because every promise in the OT is contingent on whether or not Israel kept the Law.
I will make an everlasting covenant with them: I will never stop doing good to them, and I will inspire them to fear me, so that they will never turn away from me. (Jeremiah 32:40)
 
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If the OT is "obsolete", why then does Paul "Hypergrace" Ellis use all those OT scriptures in red below?
Isn't he saying let quit making a commitment to God? Making a commitment means making a promise.

Again, that can be translated as not being responsible to do anything.



The readers need to be informed that this is a hypergrace web site which teaches heresy.
For example, Ellis uses this scripture out of context, because every promise in the OT is contingent on whether or not Israel kept the Law.
I think your reaching on the hyper grace thing,
 
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I wonder if this "Christian" thing has anything to do with "grace" that is in Christ Jesus our Lord and Savior?

It looks like we have received - grace upon grace through the Lord Jesus Christ


John 1:16-17 (NASB)
[SUP]16 [/SUP] For of His fullness we have all received, and grace upon grace.

[SUP]17 [/SUP] For the Law was given through Moses; grace and truth were realized through Jesus Christ.

It looks like we "believe through grace"..

( I'm sure they really meant that we are saved because of the good works we do...)


Acts 18:27 (KJV)
[SUP]27 [/SUP] And when he was disposed to pass into Achaia, the brethren wrote, exhorting the disciples to receive him: who, when he was come, helped them much which had believed through grace:

Paul said that it was the grace of God that would give the believers their inheritance and it was able to build them up.

( Maybe that's not really important...)

Acts 20:32 (KJV)
[SUP]32 [/SUP] And now, brethren, I commend you to God, and to the word of his grace, which is able to build you up, and to give you an inheritance among all them which are sanctified.

Paul said for Timothy to be strong in the grace that is in Christ Jesus.


( He probably didn't really mean it....
)


2 Timothy 2:1 (NASB)
[SUP]1 [/SUP] You therefore, my son, be strong in the grace that is in Christ Jesus.


The apostles said that we are saved by the grace of God

( They probably really meant to say - you are saved by works that we do or don't do.)

Acts 15:11 (NASB)
[SUP]11 [/SUP] "But we believe that we are saved through the grace of the Lord Jesus, in the same way as they also are."


Paul says that we are justified "freely" by grace....

(He really meant to say - we are justified and continue to be saved by all the good works we do... )

Romans 3:24 (KJV)
[SUP]24 [/SUP] Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:


Paul says that when we receive the abundance of grace and the gift of righteousness - we reign in life through Christ alone.

( He really meant to say that - those who do good works all the days of their life will receive grace and the gift of righteousness )

Romans 5:17 (NASB)
[SUP]17 [/SUP] For if by the transgression of the one, death reigned through the one, much more those who receive the abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness will reign in life through the One, Jesus Christ.


Then Paul was really messed up when he told the Ephesians this scripture below
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( He really meant to say - you must do good works in order to create and maintain salvation - Paul was just having an "off" day when he wrote Ephesians
)

( And God has even prepared the good works for us to walk in as a result of having His grace that saves us and not any works - we get to participate in the family business of telling people of the love and grace our loving Father and Lord have for them )



Ephesians 2:8-10 (NASB)
[SUP]8 [/SUP] For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God;

[SUP]9 [/SUP] not as a result of works, so that no one may boast.

[SUP]10 [/SUP] For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand so that we would walk in them.


Here Paul told Timothy that God saved us according to His own purpose and grace - not according to our works.

( He really meant to say - He will save us if we do enough good works...again Paul was having an "off" day )

2 Timothy 1:9 (NASB)
[SUP]9 [/SUP] who has saved us and called us with a holy calling, not according to our works, but according to His own purpose and grace which was granted us in Christ Jesus from all eternity,



Peter says to fix our hope "completely" on the grace that comes with the revelation of the Lord Jesus Christ.

( It's most likely a mis-print in all 5,000 manuscripts - he really meant to tell us to fix our hope on our good works because you could end up in hell if you don't do enough of them..)

1 Peter 1:13
[SUP]13 [/SUP] Therefore, prepare your minds for action, keep sober in spirit, fix your hope completely on the grace being brought to you at the revelation of Jesus Christ.


Conclusion - this "grace stuff" is really not important at all. We can "do our own works of righteousness in order to keep ourselves saved" - and God will be happy with us....yeah right!.......:rolleyes:
 
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Sure I am..... I reached out on their site & got it: https://escapetoreality.org/category/hyper-grace/

Read that & come back & tell us about it.:)
sure thing I read what you posted and it's a anti hyper grace, how did you see this thread as a teaching about hyper grace, no where in this thread mentions such things as not being responsible for your own actions. I enjoy reading about grace and grace and more grace but that doesn't make it hyper grace.
 
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I thinks folks who see a lot of verses about grace seem to think it's all about hyper grace, when has it been heresy to talk about grace and grace and more grace.
 
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Reading the opening line of Myth 9 on the escape to reality web site was quite humorous. haha

Preach the scandalous grace of God and some will misinterpret your message as an endorsement of sin. It’s practically inevitable.
 
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sure thing I read what you posted and it's a anti hyper grace, how did you see this thread as a teaching about hyper grace, no where in this thread mentions such things as not being responsible for your own actions. I enjoy reading about grace and grace and more grace but that doesn't make it hyper grace.
So, if G777 brought us this from a Mormon site, because it's not about mormonisn it would be okay?
 
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So, if G777 brought us this from a Mormon site, because it's not about mormonisn it would be okay?
Why not? Do you think you can't learn something from a sinner about God?
 
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Your fear hampers you stephen63 from learning.
 
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I think your reaching on the hyper grace thing,

he seems to have a fascination with it or something, Its funny I wondered, he seemed to have left for a few days, and I was just thinking of him, now here he is again, he saw another opening. and as usual, instead of looking to the words to see if there be any truth, he could do nothing but slam it as another hypergrace thing.
 
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Your fear hampers you stephen63 from learning.

You really think it is fear? I always thought it was hate. Maybe I need to relook, you could be right..
 
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as for the article,

It is biblical,

The old testament was based on people confirming to obey every last word of the law. Whcih they could never do in fact, no one but Christ ever lived up to that requirment

The new is about God, and based on Jesus and the cross, it is the fulfillment of all these things the OT prophets said God would do through his messiah.


I pray people look at the article based on scripture. and not based on what they do not like
 
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You really think it is fear? I always thought it was hate. Maybe I need to relook, you could be right..
Im hoping it's more of a fear thing than a hate thing, but I may as well have to evaluate.
 
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Im hoping it's more of a fear thing than a hate thing, but I may as well have to evaluate.

whatever it is, I wish he would set it aside, It really is not helping him any.
 
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You bless me with your ministry of music BET...always the right song. :)
Ahh thank you sister Arrg I'm blushing, I'm humbled no doubt.

Indeed the glory belongs to God, for surely I can do nothing on my own.