THE LORD GIVES AND GIVES AND GIVES......

[Depleted]

I absolutely agree with you sister on this WOF or prosperity stuff and everyone will be healed IF they have enough faith. I don't like it one bit.

Further,NONE of them have been able to answer why THEIR faith isn't strong enough to heal people. And if it is, and they can, why aren't they out there every second healing people!

But there is something else going on here. I get the "we need to identify false doctrine" doctrine. But on some issues, maybe faith healing is one, we have different ideas on what is and what is not Scripturally accurate. And therefore the fairly harsh condemnation heaped on not only the doctrine, but the adherents of that doctrine, I don't think is right, or loving.

For instance, as hurtful and destructive as I believe the faith WOF healing doctrine is, I believe the heretical doctrine, pushed and fought for by MANY here, that we can lose our Salvation, meaning we HAD it at one time, TO MUCH MORE HURTFUL AND DESTRUCTIVE!

And I, and I think you, and many others here, counter that heresy in a fairly loving manner. Obviously some may not, but by and large most do.

So why does what I admit wrong doctrine on THIS issue garner such vitriol, and much of it personal to boot? Why not just give an opinion and Scripture to counter the doctrine and leave it at that?

My theory. (Or, the way I see it, so maybe more personal opinion than theory.)

I've been at both spots sometime during my walk with the Lord. I've both gotten to the point of thinking I lost my salvation and to the point of being furious at God for daring NOT healing John, who, by all "fairness" ought to have been healed. (He actually thought, at one point that, despite how he felt -- terrible -- he had to be okay enough to go back to work, because I had such a logical point. "No way would God have us both become disabled. How could we live if neither of us work? God, at worse, would only make one of us disabled, so you're just taking a bit to get back to normal." The only thing that snapped him out of my illogical logic was going around the block to look at our dead-battery car, and just about dying from exertion in doing that one block walk.

)

In the first instance, (not thinking I was saved anymore), I was sad, disappointed, depressed, lost. Isn't that the right recipe for God to come quietly into our mind to correct our stupid thoughts? And, that's what he did.

In the second instance, (God not healing, first me, then John), I was livid, furious, angry, full meltdown temper tantrum mode. Is that not the perfect recipe not to hear God? I wanted nothing to do with him! What kind of god says he loves me, but, oh well, keep the pain, and then I add it to your husband, then more so, then take away your savings, then take away your retirement money, and then send the foreclosure notice in the mail at the same time he is diagnosed with a life-threatening illness that requires chemotherapy? Livid! If there was a deeper word for how angry I was, I'd use that. No way did I want him to get through, once more wanted his comfort.

So, someone doesn't believe OSAS? Yeah. I can live with that, because I know, ultimately, God is going to reach the depressed person who thinks that.

But when someone is told God is going to heal them, and gradually, over a period of years, finally reaches that point when they realize that was an April Fools joke? That person is so angry, it's downright impossible to reach him or her again.

And THAT is the higher damage I see out of this WoF crap being taught as "gospel." That I won't tolerate, because I remember where I was even without some WoFer whispering sweet nothings (and, in this case, very much nothing) in my ear. How much worse would it be if they were?

One thing I remember from my marketing days -- Internet forums, in particular, are places where people who are disabled find refuge/companionship/socializing. It is no mistake this marketing message is bombarding this site. It's a marketing scheme. Not that I think the ones posting these messages constantly are doing so to make money over the misfortunes of others. I really don't think that. But I do think it's very much like "say 10 Hail Marys, and pass this on to ten people within 24 hours, and you will get what you wished for." It is the mentality that "if I get X people to believe this, God owes me healing."

It is born out of the Three-Wish-Genie-god mentality. And, sometime in the futurue, when they figure out that's not working for them, they too will blame it on God, not the WoF preachers who really are making a mint out of the gullible.

 

[joaniemarie]

you may be in a grace covenant but be careful where it comes from

I respect you because I know you are sincere

your answer may satisfy your own thoughts, but it does nothing for me because you do not understand what I write

and grace777 there, has gone to be untruthful by stating that if we do not believe in healing for everyone, then we just don't believe in healing. when someone gets blinders because of emotionalism, all kinds of things can be said but I appreciate your efforts at explaining although I assure I have heard it all, read it all and know exactly what you speak of

God bless you. I am no longer in that place and perhaps one day you will experience a different understanding as well

I absolutely believe God holds you and keeps you as He did for me because I know I would no longer be on planet earth if He did not.

if I am nothing at all, that is fine and in fact it is good.

I honestly and actually do know exactly what you write. There is nothing you can explain to me that I do not know about what you write of

Sadly, Prince is quite wrong and he has misled you and many others...not in everything, but you suffer loss in your understanding

I pray God's best for you and be careful of your personal relationships. yes, that is a word I believe I should say to you, whether just from myself or from the Holy Spirit I don't know, but I believe it needs saying if not right now, remember it later

Thank you for the positive you posted that is always appreciated on these threads. We will have to agree to disagree on the other issues about grace and preachers like Pastor Prince. Like the good pastor and many others like him., I've already seen how Jesus solidified the promises in my life. I was blind and now i see. I was half and now I'm whole.

Jesus is the Provider the Great Physician, The Good Shepherd. He's the Giver and not the taker.

Not sure what you mean about Grace777 about his beliefs on healing., I've never read him say what you wrote here. Quite the contrary. But much can get lost on these threads so I'd ask him again sis. P.S. Also., I've never seen Grace777 suffer from this emotionalism you speak of.

 

[sevenseas]

Thank you for the positive you posted that is always appreciated on these threads. We will have to agree to disagree on the other issues about grace and preachers like Pastor Prince. Like the good pastor and many others like him., I've already seen how Jesus solidified the promises in my life. I was blind and now i see. I was half and now I'm whole.

Jesus is the Provider the Great Physician, The Good Shepherd. He's the Giver and not the taker.

Not sure what you mean about Grace777 about his beliefs on healing., I've never read him say what you wrote here. Quite the contrary. But much can get lost on these threads so I'd ask him again sis. P.S. Also., I've never seen Grace777 suffer from this emotionalism you speak of.

I was wrong about what he said regarding belief in healing and if you look up the thread you will see the exchange

we do disagree, but we do agree on not calling people big stupid grapefruit head

some years back, when I was teaching an adult ed art class, a student said to me that we can all look at the same thing and yet not see the same thing

now with a formal education in fine and commercial art, I disagreed

if I would speak to her now, I would appreciate the wisdom

 

[joaniemarie]

Before I go - here is an excellent teaching on Job for any that is interested in this area.

I truly desire that we don't have to call people out on their foul behavior when they constantly malign and slander others in the body of Christ because of the disagreements in the non-essentials. There is a much better way of walking in respect and love to those that have a difference of opinion in these areas.

[video=youtube;FSw-XFDvPqg]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FSw-XFDvPqg&t=1759s[/video]

Awesome message am listening before I head out tonight. Thanks for this a good word at the right time. Blessings brother.

 

[Depleted]

There is a difference between consequences for people doing something in their lives and the hand of the Lord coming down to take from us. When we have been warned not to steal and we steal anyway., we will go to jail for stealing., that is not God who sends us to jail. If we have pride issues and refuse to deal with them., God is not going to zap us., but our lives will suffer from that because pride goes before a fall. It's a natural consequence for our actions. If you eat too much., you will get fat.

Job was not a perfect person. He was a righteous man in the sight of God but that in no way means the man was perfect. He was not a perfect parent and he didn't have perfect children. His wife sounds like she was a piece of work. Noah found grace in the eyes of the Lord and Noah was a righteous man but that in no way means Noah was perfect. None of the Patriarchs in the Bible were perfectly wonderful people. They were just like us with issues and problems and weaknesses that needed to be dealt with and in some cases were not dealt with and they suffered in their lives because of them just like we do.


We Christians have to think and re think and examine what we have been taught through the years of our childhood and our church up bringing. Being willing to see that maybe our dad or mom or pastor didn't teach us 100% the right way. That there is actually "room" for the Holy Spirit to show us a new and living way. We don't automatically do this each day. It has to be an active choice on our part to even consider we may not be 100% right about everything up to this point in our lives. To dismiss our deeply ingrained and limited ideas of God and instead taste and see that the Lord is good., that the truth of Who God is will be seen when we see Jesus. And the Holy Spirit reveals Jesus to us. He always points to Jesus. (And yes, Jesus always healed those who came to Him. Always)

To expect a pat answer about the Bible is not going to happen folks. I know., we all want that but it just will not happen that way. We are told to search the Scriptures and submit ourselves to the Holy Spirit in a relationship so He can teach us. This is how we show ourselves approved in that matter of study. It's a matter of putting down our own imaginations and taking what the Holy Spirit wants to teach us instead.

So., I've discovered Job was not perfect and the Lord did not take from Job., the devil did. Just like the devil tries to take from us today. And still even though many Christians have the Bible and Job didn't since Job is one of the oldest books in the Bible., Today Christians STILL blame God for evil and not the devil. It's just uncanny to me that we humans are so set in our ways we will die rather than be open to the possibility of our being wrong. And I've also learned that God will not force us to believe Him even if we die. We will go to heaven but we will suffer because we failed to believe in the goodness of God for us.
It isn't God who kills steals and destroys., it's the devil and if we don't get that straight., we are going to be very messed up in our lives let alone our theology.

A list (probably not complete) of what God "takes" from me:
-- Sins.
-- Guilt.
-- Righteous punishment for sins and guilt.
-- The selfish desire to have everything always about me. I am no longer the center of the universe. (This one still surprises me, because it is as if a weight was lifted off my shoulders, while all along I thought being self-centered took as much weight off my shoulders as possible. It was "the easiest way through life," when, in reality, it is the opposite of that.)
-- Confusion.
-- Aimlessness/purposelessness.
-- Loneliness.


The list of what he has given me:
GOD HIMSELF!

I am assuming somewhere in all that you wrote, once again, your aim was to blame everyone else but you for whatever evil there is in the world, or some form of "if only you believed me, everything would be wonderful," however, my focus is on what God has given me. My focus is God.

HE gave me that! And he's not taking it away -- ever.

 

[UnderGrace]

All I know is what the bible and reality informs me, and that is, God does take away sometimes.

Believers get sick everyday and die every day. Do they die because they all have lacked faith and understanding?
New Testament confirms that God uses sickness, and even death when Christians choose to sin (Acts 5:1-11; 1 Corinthians 11:20-32). And yes they were believers!

And because of sin, our corrupt/cursed creation is another source of sickness (Romans 8:20-22). Excessive sun exposure causes skin cancer. Air pollution causes respiratory ailments. Contaminated water and food cause various physical ailments and sometimes death. From the Bible, we have proof that demons are not responsible for all sickness.

We still live in a fallen world, while Jesus has restored our fellowship with God, it was a spiritual restoration, we have not been become immortal.


It is really not helpful when a pastor teaches grace and living in grace (not law) but then goes down this slippery slope teaching that we can cure disease through communion. It really makes me wonder and I worry for those people who yet again are waiting for a miracle only to realize this is not what God promised.

And this is not slander because what I state is not false.

I find comfort, not in believing that God does not take away, but that when He does He has wisdom and knowledge far far above anything I can ever understand. And I pray for comfort which I know the Holy Spirit can give

 

[pottersclay]

O my gosh......hyper grace super duper grace......faith for healing....not healed no faith or a lack of. My opinion, your opinion, false teacher, wolves,
Put you on ignore, take you off ignore, he said she said the Bible says...

Doesn't anyone care that you can save money by switching to Geico insurance?

 

[Depleted]

People that slander others in the body of Christ are no different then those that live a homosexual lifestyle. They are in the same lists as works of the flesh.

When people stop slandering others in the body of Christ - I will stop bringing up this foul behavior. It is ungodly no matter how you try to make it look "legitimate".

You are free to defend this type of foul behavior all you want but I have no qualms whatsoever in exposing it for what it truly is especially when it is from supposedly mature people that are pastors and leaders.

1 Peter 2:1-2 (NASB)
[SUP]1 [/SUP] Therefore, putting aside all malice and all deceit and hypocrisy and envy and all slander,

[SUP]2 [/SUP] like newborn babies, long for the pure milk of the word, so that by it you may grow in respect to salvation,

And how do you -- the slanderer -- deal with a slanderer such as yourself?

You're not a babe, so now what?

 

[Depleted]

LOL..oh oh...did that activate the Calvinists?.."God is not willing for any to perish."

I hear ya. I'm leaving this thread as no good can come from it. I just expect others to be respectful of a difference of opinion in these non-essentials and to stop maligning and slandering others in the body of Christ.

There are some that believe that women should not be pastors nor teach a man - should people now be allowed to malign and slander those women pastors every time they post something?

I would defend those women pastors from being called heretics and in heresy too.

Deja vu!

Right back to...

1. "I am better than you because I defend the WoF preachers."
2. "You're preacher isn't perfect either."

 

[preacher4truth]

O my gosh......hyper grace super duper grace......faith for healing....not healed no faith or a lack of. My opinion, your opinion, false teacher, wolves,
Put you on ignore, take you off ignore, he said she said the Bible says...

Doesn't anyone care that you can save money by switching to Geico insurance?

That's pretty funny at the ending!

Yes, the whole thing get's old and people become sickened and pathetic over it.

But to be honest, becoming cynical about it is merely another form of not enduring sound doctrine; 2 Timothy 4:3. Keep the faith brother; Jude 1:3.

There are many false teachers and wolves out there (and in here) though being polemic only in stance is not good, yet it should not be discounted as to its value and therefore biblical ground should be held.

That being said, yes, there are other issues to discuss as well.

 

[dcontroversal]

One of my favorite sayings of God is when he basically tells Jacob (Israel) to put him to the test and he will pour it out to the extent that there is NO insufficiency.........pressed and overflowing.......!

 

[Depleted]

Here is what I "really said" and it is NOT what you said I said. Just to keep the record straight and truthful. I said that it is God's heart to want to heal us just like any good moral parent would.

In essence it boils down to this : Some believe that God wants to heal us and some don't. I choose to go by the life of the Lord Jesus Christ as He showed us the will and heart of the Father.

Others are free to disagree. I won't slander them and malign them because they believe something different.

Quote:

They disagree that the Lord wants to heal us and thus they think it is their duty to slander and exhibit malice towards those in the body of Christ that do believe God's heart is for His children to be well - just like any good moral parent would have.

Who is "they?" Name one person on this site who does not believe the Lord heals?

And, as far as God "wants to," then why does he not? It is not like God is unable to get everything he "wants." Who or what stops God from getting exactly what he wants? And since God really is perfectly able to heal everyone of everything, are you implying he's not all that moral? Or he is incapable?

(And, you DID, very much malign and slander Angela for disagreeing with you. You called her out on malice and slander, which is both -- malice and slander.)

 

[Meggido]

All I know is what the bible and reality informs me, and that is, God does take away sometimes.

Believers get sick everyday and die every day. Do they die because they all have lacked faith and understanding?
New Testament confirms that God uses sickness, and even death when Christians choose to sin (Acts 5:1-11; 1 Corinthians 11:20-32). And yes they were believers!

And because of sin, our corrupt/cursed creation is another source of sickness (Romans 8:20-22). Excessive sun exposure causes skin cancer. Air pollution causes respiratory ailments. Contaminated water and food cause various physical ailments and sometimes death. From the Bible, we have proof that demons are not responsible for all sickness.

We still live in a fallen world, while Jesus has restored our fellowship with God, it was a spiritual restoration, we have not been become immortal.


It is really not helpful when a pastor teaches grace and living in grace (not law) but then goes down this slippery slope teaching that we can cure disease through communion. It really makes me wonder and I worry for those people who yet again are waiting for a miracle only to realize this is not what God promised.

And this is not slander because what I state is not false.

I find comfort, not in believing that God does not take away, but that when He does He has wisdom and knowledge far far above anything I can ever understand. And I pray for comfort which I know the Holy Spirit can give

This stems from the doctrine that says...beloved you will never suffer, because Daddy God is a good God...and God does not allow his kingdom kiddies to suffer......God is good, the Bible says so, but God is also sovereign and if he will get glory from you walking through a health crisis you and your faith better start walking, resting and letting God glide you through it...

I do not believe God puts sickness on people, but I do believe he allows it.....


The largest word people in this doctrine hate hearing about is

REFINEMENT.....

If Jesus learned obedience from the things he suffered from....that is compels me to do the same....

 

[Billyd]

Thirty-five years ago I was living what I would call a perfect life in Christ. God was providing for my needs, blessing me with good health (seizures completely under control, no heart problems), basically anything that I wanted. I had a wonderful church family, children involved in ministry. Yes it was a perfect example of what some here see as God's grace. In November, my niece (more like my daughter) lost her two month old baby. The following March my whole world crashed. My 28 year old son was killed in an accident. The following year, we lost 7 family members (including my mother). That culminated with a heart attack and the return of my seizures with a vengeance. Throughout this entire time I kept asking "God you promised to answer my prayers, you promised me good health, you promised me everything that I needed". Every time I prayed, he answered "Billy, my Grace is sufficient". I would ask God "what Grace?" He would reply "Billy look around you, my Grace is sufficient". Wow! Was his Grace sufficient. My daughter was pregnant, then my niece, then my daughter-in-law, then another niece, then another niece, and finally my other daughter-in-law. All in one year.

My health has never returned to what it was before my first heart attack, but I continue to be blessed. God has provided me with the physician that I need to make my life comfortable.

Those of you who want to know what God's Grace really is, take a long hard look at your life. Every time that you reach the lowest points, who was there with an outstretched hand? That outstretched hand was the result of God's Grace. That is the Grace of the Gospel Of Christ Jesus.

I hope that this helps someone to understand the True Grace of the Gospel.

 

[PennEd]

I can only answer for myself on the issue you made about why are we who believe in healing not going out and healing people all over the world? God has not dumped a boatload of info on me to digest all at once brother Penn. I can take a spoon at a time whilst I live and move here in upstate NY. Some days I get a whole ton of blessings showered on me but as far as my understanding of all of God's handiwork, I'm sorry I can't give you a single answer as to why everyone is not healed or blessed the same at the same time in the same way.

There are those who are anointed in the area of healing but they do not work independent of the Spirit's moving. And as so many have tried to correct me on issues like praying for God to give me a Mercedes in the driveway when I have never desired to pray for a Mercedes in my driveway I have never said God has given me an anointing in this area of healing either. I'm still learning about Jesus provision for healing in my own life and I've already seen Him heal me some 50 fold already.

The thing is it takes time for God's plans to unfold. You and others who call this sort of faith; word of faith prosperity stuff,. want a pat answer that doesn't allow for that unfolding in people's lives. I've seen God unfold truths in my life that I wished could have been digested years earlier but I wouldn't have it back then. I didn't believe it but the truth was there to have but I would not take it. So I suffered.

Today I don't want to make that same giant mistake of not believing Him and having all that He wants to give me and all that Jesus has paid for me and my loved ones to have. What a waste my life was when I didn't believe!! What a mess and a wasteland of relationships that need to be healed today all because of not being willing to believe. We leave a mess when we go our own way.

So I sure HOPE we allow God to unfold His will in our lives. And that we give Him more than a few days time to do it before we shut the door on Him and all He wants to do in our lives. Because maybe to most people it just sounds tooo good to be true or too shockingly just more blessings than we can handle or better yet more than we deserve. But that is why grace is so important to start to get a hold of because we don't deserve anything yet He gave us everything.

He deals with us according to His grace not our deserving. And His grace shows out so clearly when we are weak. His grace is made perfect in our weakness. I don't ask anymore why He chose to have His great grace work out best in our weakness. Now I'm taking what He offers me and believing Him for good and not evil all the days of my life. And that is a good thing!!!!

Look Joanie/Lynn. I absolutely believe that YOU believe the Lord's Will is to physically heal all who simply have enough faith to believe it. And Further, I truly believe you have loving intentions, and do NOT mean to hurt people with this doctrine.

Unfortunately it does. What an incredible blessing that the Lord has healed you, but the Lord is glorified, in ways we may not even ever know NOW, even when we are NOT healed. AND it will ultimately be for OUR good.

You NEGATE God's Will and plan when you say that everyone will be healed from every malady if they have enough faith.

As well meaning as your posts are about healing, they are a blow to the stomach to those who are sick and hurting and haven't been healed.

I've posted on this man before, who spoke at our Church. He told us how he prayed AND believed that God would heal him.
The Lord had a different plan for him. He not only has gotten medals in the paralympics, but he travels the country with his wife praising the Lord and telling his story. Inspiring many thousands speaking about his trials and triumphs. ALWAYS glorifying God!

So dear sister, can you please take all this into account? And I in no way am suggesting you stop giving Glory to God in how he has worked in your life in healing and every other way.

May God continue to bless you and your family!

[video=youtube;z-XterWNQc0]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z-XterWNQc0[/video]

 

[Meggido]

This example is not singling anyone out on this chat board, but the example needs to be said to prove a point...


A WOF adherent that believed God would never make him sick or be in ill heath got a really bad report about his heart from the DR.....he ignored the report, keep doing what he was doing and keep claiming FAITH that God would heal him ....

Several months went by and he got sicker and sicker...his family urged him to go to the DR....nope God is gonna heal me....and I am in perfect health...it just has not manifested yet....


Several weeks alter he went in major cardiac arrest and dropped to the floor, then the hear attack suddenly stopped...rejoicing the man jumped off the floor, where he had fallen and started jumping around praising God....his wife was telling him to stop and sure enough he fell again and woke up in heaven and sitting at the feet of Jesus....


Confused, the man looked at Jesus and said...Lord I prayed in your name that you would heal me....I kept the faith like Paul...I believed even when the healing did not manifest....what happened!?!?!?


Jesus lovingly took the mans hand and stood him up and put his hand on shoulder and said...the report you got from my Doctor was your warning to stop eating the way you were..all that gluttony and poor eating choices in your life was slowly killing you...it was blocking your arteries....

But Lord I had faith you would heal me....I know Brother, but you stopped seeing my Doctor who was only going to recommend a change in diet, start getting some exercise and stop eating so badly.....But Lord...you said in your word that If I believed....Bro, I needed you to work with me....in some things I did it all, in others it is a partnership....you continued making poor food choices and kept hurting your body....you ignored my attempts to heal you through others...


Now wait Jesus!!!!....I always let people lay hands on my and pray for me to be healed...why I even let the healing evangelist, gifted lay hands on me....yeah, I know oyu did bro, but I am talking about the doctors, your wife, your kids....the free gym membership for life you received....your pastor asking you to try different foods.....I had to give you over to your own flesh.....that is why you here...If you had true faith in my ability to heal, you would not have rejected all the times I tried to heal you.....

WOW Jesus.....I...I....its ok bro...your home now....

 

[Zi]

He claimed ignorance would heal him. Blind professing... faith is not saying something or asking. Faith comes by hearing the word of God(spirit relaying) God spoke to Ab and Ab believed Him.. Jesus said the Spirit of the Lord is upon me. People heard that..If God said nothing on the matter then there is nothing to have faith about..

This example is not singling anyone out on this chat board, but the example needs to be said to prove a point...


A WOF adherent that believed God would never make him sick or be in ill heath got a really bad report about his heart from the DR.....he ignored the report, keep doing what he was doing and keep claiming FAITH that God would heal him ....

Several months went by and he got sicker and sicker...his family urged him to go to the DR....nope God is gonna heal me....and I am in perfect health...it just has not manifested yet....


Several weeks alter he went in major cardiac arrest and dropped to the floor, then the hear attack suddenly stopped...rejoicing the man jumped off the floor, where he had fallen and started jumping around praising God....his wife was telling him to stop and sure enough he fell again and woke up in heaven and sitting at the feet of Jesus....


Confused, the man looked at Jesus and said...Lord I prayed in your name that you would heal me....I kept the faith like Paul...I believed even when the healing did not manifest....what happened!?!?!?


Jesus lovingly took the mans hand and stood him up and put his hand on shoulder and said...the report you got from my Doctor was your warning to stop eating the way you were..all that gluttony and poor eating choices in your life was slowly killing you...it was blocking your arteries....

But Lord I had faith you would heal me....I know Brother, but you stopped seeing my Doctor who was only going to recommend a change in diet, start getting some exercise and stop eating so badly.....But Lord...you said in your word that If I believed....Bro, I needed you to work with me....in some things I did it all, in others it is a partnership....you continued making poor food choices and kept hurting your body....you ignored my attempts to heal you through others...


Now wait Jesus!!!!....I always let people lay hands on my and pray for me to be healed...why I even let the healing evangelist, gifted lay hands on me....yeah, I know oyu did bro, but I am talking about the doctors, your wife, your kids....the free gym membership for life you received....your pastor asking you to try different foods.....I had to give you over to your own flesh.....that is why you here...If you had true faith in my ability to heal, you would not have rejected all the times I tried to heal you.....

WOW Jesus.....I...I....its ok bro...your home now....

 

[Zi]

Not saying He wouldn't have something to say but that many are not trying to hear from Him.. They just babble they believe and its equivalent to throwing pennies in a well

 

[Jessie_1]

it mostly boils down to 'tolerance' and 'forgiveness'...Two of Jesus' greatest lessons
for all of us - not to mention that no matter where we are in our lives, we have
'choices', and most of them will be wrong, without our Saviour at the helm...

growing in Grace and Godly character is a very big challenge for all of us who
desire to leave our old-ways behind and seek our Heavenly Father and His Ways...

AMEN and AMEN!

 

[Jessie_1]

Just this morning I heard a message that mentioned Martin Luther. That Luther said he had to preach about grace to someone or he himself would forget it. That is how difficult the concept of grace is to the human mind. Grace is unmerited unearned love and acceptance before God given freely to us because of Jesus. In our humaness., we have rejected the whole concept of grace that not only freely forgives (although many of us Christians can accept that part) Yet when it comes to the living out our Christian lives by grace through faith, many many believers have a difficult time holding on to it. And even reject it calling it easy believism and laziness on our part.

I concur with Luther. I write myself happy in my journal about Jesus and His love and grace. I type myself happy when I come here to CC and remind myself yet again of the beauty of Jesus and His grace and truth. I come here on CC and go to church on Thursday and Sunday to share and hear the Gospel of grace and truth that Jesus brought because it's so easy for me to go back into a works mindset. I listen to it on cd and on dvd and in my car and have it around at all times. So much is the realization that I'm weak without the truth actively being put in my mind.

Although it's been many many months of blessed assurance and PURE JOY., I know my flesh the world and the devil are at the door waiting for an opportunity to steal away the truth of the Word sown in my heart.

Healing as well as the gifts of the spirit are all things spiritually discerned and sadly, even after we humans have been gloriously saved., we can forget what happened to us when trials come, when sickness comes, when symptoms of sickness and defeat come.
We are housed in bits of flesh that have to be taught and ready to hear the Holy Spirit about the victory we have been given already in Christ. (that is His ministry to us., to remind us of our righteousness) We have to hear it every day or we will fall flat on our faces and be attacked and kicked while we are down by the enemy and by his cohorts.

Another reason why being with other believers who will put us in remembrance of Jesus is so vital for us. The Bible instructs us to be in the company of the brethren and that we are known by the love we have for one another. Going to church and getting into a real fellowship where we can serve and share our gifts with our communities. Coming to this christian chat site is also a blessing to add to the other ways the Bible instructs us to fellowship with like minded believers. And the ones who don't agree., we love them and agree to disagree. Amen!!

Ummmm.... what a beautifully written image of your heart and the heart of many of us. Thank you!