How do I know I'm saved if...?

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If you worry, if you fear, if you blaspheme, if you think... ever. Here is a guy who answers one woman terrified by her own questions. (A little over 7 minutes, for those who wonder "how long is the video?)

Truly a good reminder if you are worried, and a good reminder for everyone.

[video=youtube;iHivtfyUmMc]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iHivtfyUmMc[/video]
 
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Such a true message. All of us struggle with this. Condemnation is the power of the enemy that hits all of us in that personal way. People such as myself get tangled up in two words. Believe and faith. Faith is caused by belief. Not the other way around as our enemy would like us to think.

John 3:16 and many more verses express this order. We first must believe Jesus is who the scriptures say he is. Then the gospel (good news) Of his coming and reason and what he had done and why.

Faith comes by hearing. Faith starts to grow as we hear about whom we believe in. For all things written is about Jesus. We cannot have faith and not beleive but we can believe and not have faith. That's why it very important to follow him for he is the way. Obey him for he is the truth. Be found in him for he is life.
 
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Be Faithful unto the last breath and may you receive His reward.
 
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Depleted said:
If you worry, if you fear, if you blaspheme, if you think... ever. Here is a guy who answers one woman terrified by her own questions. (A little over 7 minutes, for those who wonder "how long is the video?)

Truly a good reminder if you are worried, and a good reminder for everyone.

[video=youtube;iHivtfyUmMc]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iHivtfyUmMc[/video]
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Thanks Lynn. That was very good.
 
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Thanks Lynn .
You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Depleted again
Someone please !
Blessings
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there is one matter which many over-look spoken by the Lord Jesus Christ, and as for those that teach a person is now saved also twist what Christ said into another meaning other than what Christ plainly said, which needs no explanation from the wise and prudent: namely the Lord said that he that endureth to the end shall be saved. Now we can listen to men who explain this as to mean something other that exactly it says, or we can listen to Jesus Christ Himself, and trust He knows exactly what He is saying. For the teaching that you are Now saved crumbles when we put this what Christ says, because if we are Now saved, then we are not required to endure anything; but if Christ speaks Truth (which of course we all know that He does) then we also must endure to the end to be saved. Every one according as they purpose it in their heart: believe what the Lord Jesus says, or else believe what someone else says: you judge and choose.
 
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lastofall said:
there is one matter which many over-look spoken by the Lord Jesus Christ, and as for those that teach a person is now saved also twist what Christ said into another meaning other than what Christ plainly said, which needs no explanation from the wise and prudent: namely the Lord said that he that endureth to the end shall be saved. Now we can listen to men who explain this as to mean something other that exactly it says, or we can listen to Jesus Christ Himself, and trust He knows exactly what He is saying. For the teaching that you are Now saved crumbles when we put this what Christ says, because if we are Now saved, then we are not required to endure anything; but if Christ speaks Truth (which of course we all know that He does) then we also must endure to the end to be saved. Every one according as they purpose it in their heart: believe what the Lord Jesus says, or else believe what someone else says: you judge and choose.
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Apparently, you don't know who MacArthur is. And, on that, I "choose" to trust him more than you.
 
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UnderGrace said:
Thankfully this is not true!!

New American Standard Bible
2 Timothy 2:13

If we are faithless, He remains faithful, for He cannot deny Himself.
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I assume the "we" of this is the church, for Paul is speaking to Timothy, & says "we".

It is so..... delusional, that folks will pull a verse outta context to make it say 10 times more than it was meant to.

For instance..... Some will claim forever unconditional salvation , & once we accept Christ, "He remains faithful, & won't deny us".

What is ignored, seemingly on purpose, is the verse above it.
New International Version
if we endure, we will also reign with him.If we disown him, he will also disown us;

New Living Translation
If we endure hardship, we will reign with him. If we deny him, he will deny us.

English Standard Version
if we endure, we will also reign with him; if we deny him, he also will deny us;

New American Standard Bible
If we endure, we will also reign with Him; If we deny Him, He also will deny us;

This one also says something similar:

Matthew 10 ​
32“Everyone who acknowledges me publicly here on earth, I will also acknowledge before my Father in heaven.33But everyone who denies me here on earth, I will also deny before my Father in heaven.
 
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For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, lest any man should boast.
Ephesians 2:8

And do you know what saving faith is?

And do you know that faith is not a work?

Because you make faith a work, then you have the right to boast and you make it a work for others too, saying we must be faithful to be saved, when in fact salvation is not based on any work.

And what is exactly will He deny us..... "eternal life"....perhaps you should think on that and think about what is saving faith and what is the faith that is the result of saving faith. And think about what is eternal life and when it is received according to Jesus. And think about eternal life being eternal.

The point is Jesus cannot be faithless even when we are, either as a church or as an individual.



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Read ad all of the chapter.. if you deny him, he will deny you... so Be Faithful until the end and forever.
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“But the one who endures to the end, he shall be saved” (Matt 24:13)

Read this in context of the whole passage and you will read that it refers to physical deliverance during times of persecution not eternal life.



lastofall said:
there is one matter which many over-look spoken by the Lord Jesus Christ, and as for those that teach a person is now saved also twist what Christ said into another meaning other than what Christ plainly said, which needs no explanation from the wise and prudent: namely the Lord said that he that endureth to the end shall be saved. Now we can listen to men who explain this as to mean something other that exactly it says, or we can listen to Jesus Christ Himself, and trust He knows exactly what He is saying. For the teaching that you are Now saved crumbles when we put this what Christ says, because if we are Now saved, then we are not required to endure anything; but if Christ speaks Truth (which of course we all know that He does) then we also must endure to the end to be saved. Every one according as they purpose it in their heart: believe what the Lord Jesus says, or else believe what someone else says: you judge and choose.
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Salvation is a walk of faith. Sometimes a daily journey through barren places. We can be assured, if we know Him, He knows us. The little childrens song simply says; 'Trust and obey.' Just my insight,
 
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Oi vey!

Seriously?

Did MacArthur miss anything from the Lord's word? Is there a 67th book in your Bible because God needed you to add to what his word says?

Despite what you think, this was never intended as another platform for the constant Grace/Faith/Works argument, nor your pulpit to teach the "delusional," (which is rather delusional in itself.)

This was a passionate response to passionate questions believers have somewhere in their walk. It's to bring assurance, not more condemnation.
 
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loveme1 said:
Read ad all of the chapter.. if you deny him, he will deny you... so Be Faithful until the end and forever.
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well don't deny him then

that does not cancel out the faithfulness of God

salvation is not a revolving door

don't congratulate yourself if you think you are faithful, we are all feckless and only God is faithful, just and true
 
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Stephen63 said:
I assume the "we" of this is the church, for Paul is speaking to Timothy, & says "we".

It is so..... delusional, that folks will pull a verse outta context to make it say 10 times more than it was meant to.

For instance..... Some will claim forever unconditional salvation , & once we accept Christ, "He remains faithful, & won't deny us".

What is ignored, seemingly on purpose, is the verse above it.
New International Version
if we endure, we will also reign with him.If we disown him, he will also disown us;

New Living Translation
If we endure hardship, we will reign with him. If we deny him, he will deny us.

English Standard Version
if we endure, we will also reign with him; if we deny him, he also will deny us;

New American Standard Bible
If we endure, we will also reign with Him; If we deny Him, He also will deny us;

This one also says something similar:

Matthew 10 ​
32“Everyone who acknowledges me publicly here on earth, I will also acknowledge before my Father in heaven.33But everyone who denies me here on earth, I will also deny before my Father in heaven.
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MacArthur teaches Lordship salvation
I personally do not care for his teachings, he does not believe in the ministry of the Holy Spirit or his gifts...
 
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loveme1 said:
Read ad all of the chapter.. if you deny him, he will deny you... so Be Faithful until the end and forever.
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What is the difference between to deny Him and to be faithless?

They are not the same. What do these things mean?
It is obvious that one can be faithless, or lack faith, but not be denying Him, isn't it? Otherwise v12 and v13 cancel each other out and contradict each other, right?

Yet didn't Peter deny Him? And so does Peter have no reward?
 
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sevenseas

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Meggido said:
MacArthur teaches Lordship salvation
I personally do not care for his teachings, he does not believe in the ministry of the Holy Spirit or his gifts...
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well I agree and according to him we are all filled with demons

but I think deleted would prefer we don't go there :p
 
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