Apostasy churches?

[Persuaded]

Of course not. It's me saying, are you living and sharing with a small congregation, all your wealth and learning/teaching/evangelising? Or are you being trained to go on training weeks, seminaries, and buy bigger buildings every decade because you gain 20 people every decade and the church is too small.

If you died, would your church collapse. Or do you have 5 pastor's teaching a house church each, see my point. We're too resistant to buy a big house with the "elders" and live creating new pastor's from the house, then splitting up and creating new house churches, costing nothing.

First let me make a correction. That should have been 20 years, not 30.
It seems that you have had a bad experience with local churches. You are not alone, but do not judge all by what you see in your country.
I serve as pastor of a small rural church with 30 members and an average of 35 in attendance. The average age of the members is over 65.
This church was established in 1947 and the man who started the church served as pastor for 49 years.
We still use the same building built in 1947.
I am the second man to serve as pastor and I serve without any pay.
During that time many souls have been saved and several young men went out and served churches as pastors and teachers.
I believe only those who are called of God should serve as pastors and teachers. It is not for me or a church to choose.
Over the last 25 years the attendance dropped from 70 to 35 as young people moved to the cities to find work.
The opportunity to evangelize and train young men as pastors is very limited in our area so we have chosen a different approach.
We help support 5 different men who do mission work around the world. We give over 60% of are offerings for this purpose.
Last year that was over $40,000.
I fully support the home church. I support meeting in a rented space. But sometimes it becomes necessary and to build a a a
a SIMPLE building for the purpose to assemble and teach.
There are good churches in this world, but there are also many religious organization that call themselves churches that ought to be burned down.

 

[jb]

Hello, getting confused and annoyed again.
Now I'm thinking it's nearly impossible for anyone to be a Christian, as I've seen a well explained video about how all pulpit church models are basically teaching the same as Catholic principles, and the video seems correct.

E,g, grace to you, cross conference, or charismatic health & wealth. Giant buildings, millions of dollars, yet totally different churches etc. House churches like Francis chans seem biblical.

So if their are basically next to zero, of these churches, how is anyone supposed to be a Christian??? Sometimes I think it would have been better if God never thought of earth. And most of you probably go to a pulpit church also. Hardly any fellowship, though Americans have more than in UK.
I've not even been able to get or find free religious footage for evangelising DVDs, don't know if God picked the right person.

WHAT IS A BIBLICAL CHURCH. Do any exist?

Have a look at This study

 

[Crypto]

That's a good goal to have, I think the megachurch idea is non-biblical, most early churches met in houses and the shepherds knew their sheep, I think many megachurches would be better off spitting into a number of small autonomous ministries like Chan's

 

[Denadii]

That's a good goal to have, I think the megachurch idea is non-biblical, most early churches met in houses and the shepherds knew their sheep, I think many megachurches would be better off spitting into a number of small autonomous ministries like Chan's

Why would they spit into the churches? ... Oh. That was a typo!

 

[Adstar]

Hello, getting confused and annoyed again.
Now I'm thinking it's nearly impossible for anyone to be a Christian, as I've seen a well explained video about how all pulpit church models are basically teaching the same as Catholic principles, and the video seems correct.

E,g, grace to you, cross conference, or charismatic health & wealth. Giant buildings, millions of dollars, yet totally different churches etc. House churches like Francis chans seem biblical.

So if their are basically next to zero, of these churches, how is anyone supposed to be a Christian??? Sometimes I think it would have been better if God never thought of earth. And most of you probably go to a pulpit church also. Hardly any fellowship, though Americans have more than in UK.
I've not even been able to get or find free religious footage for evangelising DVDs, don't know if God picked the right person.

WHAT IS A BIBLICAL CHURCH. Do any exist?

Did the thief on the cross who believed Jesus join a church ? Nope.. Yet what did Jesus say to him..

Luke 23: KJV
39 "¶ And one of the malefactors which were hanged railed on him, saying, If thou be Christ, save thyself and us. {40} But the other answering rebuked him, saying, Dost not thou fear God, seeing thou art in the same condemnation? {41} And we indeed justly; for we receive the due reward of our deeds: but this man hath done nothing amiss. {42} And he said unto Jesus, Lord, remember me when thou comest into thy kingdom. {43} And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, To day shalt thou be with me in paradise."

Was it impossible for this guy to be a Saved Christian ? Seems not..

We are not saved by churches.. We are saved by believing Jesus and trusting in the Atonement he secured for our salvation..

 

[Dai3234]

Did the thief on the cross who believed Jesus join a church ? Nope.. Yet what did Jesus say to him..

Luke 23: KJV
39 "¶ And one of the malefactors which were hanged railed on him, saying, If thou be Christ, save thyself and us. {40} But the other answering rebuked him, saying, Dost not thou fear God, seeing thou art in the same condemnation? {41} And we indeed justly; for we receive the due reward of our deeds: but this man hath done nothing amiss. {42} And he said unto Jesus, Lord, remember me when thou comest into thy kingdom. {43} And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, To day shalt thou be with me in paradise."

Was it impossible for this guy to be a Saved Christian ? Seems not..

We are not saved by churches.. We are saved by believing Jesus and trusting in the Atonement he secured for our salvation..

True, were all saved by Jesus. But sending pastor's to seminary is a non-biblically model. Staying alone to be SAVED is not ideal, as your point shows.

Big churches cost money and save few people as the "church" doesn't evangelise because they are not taught by the pastor how to do so effectively. They also get nervous, scared, confused when doing these things alone as no help is available etc.

The church doesn't go on the streets in the UK, foreigners are here doing that, Americans with microphones in city centres or Chinese cross carrying singers. Not UK people. UK churches go to places like "Starbucks" after hours for outreach. It's a bit lame.

In tired of being asked to be perfect by the Bible and no one else abides by it. In asked to preach the gospel, yet no one else hardly bothers and their "churches"?

It doesn't work because old people are clinging to a non-biblically model. Pastor's don't even exist in the Bible. Pastor is mentioned once apparently, but negatively as the person is enjoying himself being above others. Biblical church has leader's/leadership/management, but no head leader.

All are equal, all read the Bible and discuss in homes, but people manage funds and help etc. Today I think action of study, evangelism ,prayer, changing heart and fellowship should be guided by elders and bishops (biblical names). Not just have people be preached to and have fellowship with non-believers. Fellowship is for believers only, biblically.