The Week Of The Olivet Prophecy

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J7

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Luke 20 tells us that the events in question occurred in the Passover week, Jesus's last week in human flesh. Actually, Passover is 8 days, so 'week and a bit'.

Reading the Olivet (Temple) Prophecies, it strikes me that they are three accounts, maybe on consecutive days.

Day 1 - Luke: Jesus talks to the crowds (but one or more apostles hear)

Day 2 - Mark: One of Peter, Andrew, James or John, who maybe heard on the first day, prompts Jesus again. Jesus again replies, and then later, these 4 disciples grill Jesus on the Mt Of Olives where they sleep

Day 3 - Matthew: Now all the disciples have heard about yesterday's discussion, and the news is so violent and important that they prompt Jesus again, and then later they all quiz him back at the Mt Of Olives
 

J7

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Luke 20:1
[FONT=&quot]And it came to pass, that on one of those days, as he taught the people in the temple, and preached the gospel, the chief priests and the scribes came upon him with the elders,

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[FONT=&quot] 'Those days' refer to the days of the Passover Feast I believe. [/FONT][FONT=&quot][/FONT]
 

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J7, pardon me for the intrusion.

It is true that there are many potentially interesting aspects to this time period.
However, are you having a conversation with yourself here or is there a discussable point to the exercise...
 

J7

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Hi GracenPeace. No apology required, it is an open forum. Normally people need no second invitation on BDF to turn anything into 'a discussable point'. It is as discussable as people want it to be. I am very happy if people ruminate and chew on something, rather than just spit out the first thought that comes into their head, which is perhaps, dare I say it, the bane of BDF. The Psalmist does instruct us to meditate on the word day and night.

I could have posted a thread, "What is the most significant passage in the Bible?' But that would be disingenuous if it is merely to tell everyone the answer.

My feelings are that I am very interested in this Passover week anyhow, as there are different views of how it played out.
 
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I am very happy if people ruminate and chew on something, rather than just spit out the first thought that comes into their head, which is perhaps, dare I say it, the bane of BDF.
No - the 'bane' of the BDF is the continual "bending" of scripture to make it fit what someone wants it to say... :rolleyes:


Luke 20 tells us that the events in question occurred in the Passover week, Jesus's last week in human flesh. Actually, Passover is 8 days, so 'week and a bit'.
It does no such thing.

A close careful reading of scripture will yield the fact that the Olivet Discourse occurred two days before the passover week even started.


Reading the Olivet (Temple) Prophecies, it strikes me that they are three accounts, maybe on consecutive days.
A close careful reading of scripture will yield the fact that the three accounts of the Olivet Discourse are just exactly that -- three accounts - by three different authors - of the same singular 'event'.
 

J7

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No - the 'bane' of the BDF is the continual "bending" of scripture to make it fit what someone wants it to say... :rolleyes:



It does no such thing.

A close careful reading of scripture will yield the fact that the Olivet Discourse occurred two days before the passover week even started.



A close careful reading of scripture will yield the fact that the three accounts of the Olivet Discourse are just exactly that -- three accounts - by three different authors - of the same singular 'event'.
Just opinion Gary. Unless you demonstrate what you are saying.

Regarding three accounts of the same event. How so?

The accounts are of different events, this is basic really.
 

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Luke 20 tells us that the events in question occurred in the Passover week, Jesus's last week in human flesh. Actually, Passover is 8 days, so 'week and a bit'.

Reading the Olivet (Temple) Prophecies, it strikes me that they are three accounts, maybe on consecutive days.

Day 1 - Luke: Jesus talks to the crowds (but one or more apostles hear)

Day 2 - Mark: One of Peter, Andrew, James or John, who maybe heard on the first day, prompts Jesus again. Jesus again replies, and then later, these 4 disciples grill Jesus on the Mt Of Olives where they sleep

Day 3 - Matthew: Now all the disciples have heard about yesterday's discussion, and the news is so violent and important that they prompt Jesus again, and then later they all quiz him back at the Mt Of Olives
If your are referring primarily to the Olivet Discourse, the same event is described in Matthew 24, Mark 13, and Luke 21, but the same details are not given. Matthew and Luke are more generic in the introductory verses, while Mark is more specific and names Peter, James, John and Andrew as the disciples.
 

J7

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No they are not the same event, they are 3 different events;

all 3 have completely different features.

In Luke it all takes place at the temple, and so calling it the Olivet Discourse is a misnomer in itself.
 

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Well, this is certainly one of the most creative treads to simply end up with just another End Times Thread.......... :)


The strangest part is........Wikipedia probably has the most user friendly discussion/interpretation of this thingy.......how 'bout dat!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Olivet_Discourse
 
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J7

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If I have nothing constructive to say, I don't bother clogging up a thread.
 

loveme1

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Hi J7, do you have something that you wish to share? What is troubling you?
 

J7

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Hi Loveme1,

Well what has always troubled me is the Crucifixion week. There is a lot of disagreement on the order of events.

As I was looking (for the 1000th time) at the Olivet Prophecy, I realized that they are not three painters painting the same tree, but rather three painters painting the same car, except the car is in three different locations.

If I am right, (which is up for exploration), then it paints an interesting picture of the Passover week.

Jesus taught in the Temple for 4 days prior to his arrest, so it is perfectly feasible. Just means, (if no-one has a good study they've done on Passover week to share), that I will have to do that study myself.

Ultimately the reason why it matters is that repetition in the Bible, or by Jesus, (some say it is a feature of Hebrew thought and grammar) is a form of emphasis.

Whenever Jesus repeats the same word, (Verily verily), it is reinforcement. It means 'take note - I am emphasising this because it is so important'.

If the Olivet Prophecy was given three times by Jesus, then that would mean it is mega mega important, (which of course some of us believe it is anyway).

Is that making any sense?
 

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Well, this is certainly one of the most creative treads to simply end up with just another End Times Thread.......... :)


The strangest part is........Wikipedia probably has the most user friendly discussion/interpretation of this thingy.......how 'bout dat!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Olivet_Discourse

Be not a mocker... let the man share his piece and either receive or refute.
 

loveme1

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Hi Loveme1,

Well what has always troubled me is the Crucifixion week. There is a lot of disagreement on the order of events.

As I was looking (for the 1000th time) at the Olivet Prophecy, I realized that they are not three painters painting the same tree, but rather three painters painting the same car, except the car is in three different locations.

If I am right, (which is up for exploration), then it paints an interesting picture of the Passover week.

Jesus taught in the Temple for 4 days prior to his arrest, so it is perfectly feasible. Just means, (if no-one has a good study they've done on Passover week to share), that I will have to do that study myself.

Ultimately the reason why it matters is that repetition in the Bible, or by Jesus, (some say it is a feature of Hebrew thought and grammar) is a form of emphasis.

Whenever Jesus repeats the same word, (Verily verily), it is reinforcement. It means 'take note - I am emphasising this because it is so important'.

If the Olivet Prophecy was given three times by Jesus, then that would mean it is mega mega important, (which of course some of us believe it is anyway).

Is that making any sense?
Yes, I'm following your line of exploration... and Verily, verily... is certainly a listen in carefully....

Can you tell us more? I believe and receive all the Testimony of the Messiah.

Did someone teach you something that you believe Scripture does not support?
 

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Hmm.. good question.

Well one Church I was in used to have endless debates about the order of events in the Crucifixion week. But I'll be honest I've never really studied it. I just know that some people say Jesus was crucified this day, that day, the other day.

But no, regarding the Olivet Prophecy, it is more my own lack of Faith I have to confess. I used to read it as uninspired; i.e. three witnesses with slightly garbled accounts of the same event.

But this is a humanistic reading.

I believe now that the three accounts are totally God-breathed, and the reason why they divagate from each other is that they are each describing a totally different event.
 

loveme1

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Hmm.. good question.

Well one Church I was in used to have endless debates about the order of events in the Crucifixion week. But I'll be honest I've never really studied it. I just know that some people say Jesus was crucified this day, that day, the other day.

But no, regarding the Olivet Prophecy, it is more my own lack of Faith I have to confess. I used to read it as uninspired; i.e. three witnesses with slightly garbled accounts of the same event.

But this is a humanistic reading.

I believe now that the three accounts are totally God-breathed, and the reason why they divagate from each other is that they are each describing a totally different event.

I'm following ..... you know that some do not realise the 5 loaves and 2 fish and the 7 loaves and a few fish are different? Most will tell you of the 5 loaves and 2 fish but know not about the 7 loaves and a few fish....

Anyhow, now I will add that Witnesses will give different accounts of the same... if they were word for word the same they would not tell all the story... each is giving more account... it is marvellous really.

Remember that Mary waited until the first day:



Mark 16:1

Matthew 28:1

Now read those and you will not see the exact but each account... if you consider what the Messiah said about His temple and three days...

I would enjoy you sharing each piece of Scripture here and we can look at it together.
 

J7

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Where is the 7 loaves?
 

J7

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Well, quite simply, in Luke we see Jesus coming out of the Temple, an incident with an old lady, and then a discussion with the crowds, and then he explains the destruction of the Temple and his 2nd Coming, there in situ.

In Mark, one disciple mentions the Temple, and then later on the Mt Of Olives Peter Andrew John and James come to him to ask questions, whereupon Jesus expounds the destruction of the Temple and his 2nd Coming.

In Matthew, it is similar to Mark, except we now see all the disciples involved, and when they get back to the Mount Of Olives, they ask an entirely new question, about Jesus's second coming and the end of the world.

would you like the texts?
 

loveme1

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Where is the 7 loaves?


Matthew15




29And Jesus departed from thence, and came nigh unto the sea of Galilee; and went up into a mountain, and sat down there. 30And great multitudes came unto him, having with them those that werelame, blind, dumb, maimed, and many others, and cast them down at Jesus' feet; and he healed them: 31Insomuch that the multitude wondered, when they saw the dumb to speak, the maimed to be whole, the lame to walk, and the blind to see: and they glorified the God of Israel.
32Then Jesus called his disciples unto him, and said, I have compassion on the multitude, because they continue with me now three days, and have nothing to eat: and I will not send them away fasting, lest they faint in the way. 33And his disciples say unto him, Whence should we have so much bread in the wilderness, as to fill so great a multitude? 34And Jesus saith unto them, How many loaves have ye? And they said, Seven, and a few little fishes. 35And he commanded the multitude to sit down on the ground. 36And he took the seven loaves and the fishes, and gave thanks, and brake them, and gave to his disciples, and the disciples to the multitude. 37And they did all eat, and were filled: and they took up of the broken meat that was left seven baskets full. 38And they that did eat were four thousand men, beside women and children.
39And he sent away the multitude, and took ship, and came into the coasts of Magdala.




15 As evening approached, the disciples came to him and said, “This is a remote place, and it’s already getting late. Send the crowds away, so they can go to the villages and buy themselves some food.”
16 Jesus replied, “They do not need to go away. You give them something to eat.”
17 “We have here only five loaves of bread and two fish,” they answered.
18 “Bring them here to me,” he said. 19 And he directed the people to sit down on the grass. Taking the five loaves and the two fish and looking up to heaven, he gave thanks and broke the loaves. Then he gave them to the disciples, and the disciples gave them to the people. 20 They all ate and were satisfied, and the disciples picked up twelve basketfuls of broken pieces that were left over. 21 The number of those who ate was about five thousand men, besides women and children.

Matthew 14


 

loveme1

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Well, quite simply, in Luke we see Jesus coming out of the Temple, an incident with an old lady, and then a discussion with the crowds, and then he explains the destruction of the Temple and his 2nd Coming, there in situ.

In Mark, one disciple mentions the Temple, and then later on the Mt Of Olives Peter Andrew John and James come to him to ask questions, whereupon Jesus expounds the destruction of the Temple and his 2nd Coming.

In Matthew, it is similar to Mark, except we now see all the disciples involved, and when they get back to the Mount Of Olives, they ask an entirely new question, about Jesus's second coming and the end of the world.

would you like the texts?

Yes please put them up one beneath the other for study...