Now That We're Saved, What's The Law Got To Do With It?

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Desertsrose

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Hi Guys,


There seems to be a misunderstanding about the Law. What has happened to the law. Has it disappeared? Is it null and void now? Did God kill it?


Is the law holy, righteous and good? Or is it evil and wicked and we treat it like we treat sin……we abhor it and despise it and avoid it completely.


This discussion is about what relationship we have to the law after we are saved. Not about the salvation experience. So let’s please try to avoid the Works/Grace discussion and spring forward from being saved by grace through faith and now what?


And I’m not talking about the topic of keeping our salvation by works. That’s not at all what I’m referring to either.


So what is the relationship to the law now? Is it written on our hearts? Or is it dead and we have no relationship to it at all.


Please share scriptures with your comments so that we can see what God says about the law now that we’re saved.
 

Desertsrose

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For instance, The Great Commission.....


Matthew 28:18-20


And Jesus came up and spoke to them, saying, “All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth. Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all that I commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age.”


What does it mean when Jesus told the apostles to make disciples teaching them to obey all that He commanded us?
 

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Love does no wrong to a neighbor; therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.
Romans 13:10 ESV

Not sure how many times I've posted this scripture regarding the law and our involvement. We focus on love because God is love, and if we love, we be like God.
What else more is there?
 
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As the Lord said in Matthew 5:17, "Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.Though we are not under the law the law guides us throughout our lives. God wants his children to be obedient
 
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As the Lord said in Matthew 5:17, "Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.Though we are not under the law the law guides us throughout our lives. God wants his children to be obedient
Yes, my understanding is that we no longer need the Law for salvation, but that we are still obligated to abide by it. Now some will point to Romans 13:10: "Love does no harm to a neighbor. Therefore love is the fulfillment of the law.", and say this is proof we don't need to follow the Law, only love one another, but the meaning of it is that love simply fulfills every piece of the Law, therefore it's essentially a "catch all": love, and you will in turn be fulfilling the rest of the Law (i.e. you will have no other gods before God, you will not murder, you will honor your father and your mother...etc.)
 
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Desertsrose

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Love does no wrong to a neighbor; therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.Romans 13:10 ESVNot sure how many times I've posted this scripture regarding the law and our involvement. We focus on love because God is love, and if we love, we be like God. What else more is there?


Hi Breno,


That's true, we are under the law of love......Love God with all your heart, mind, soul and strength and Love your neighbor as yourself. This does fulfill all the law and prophets because Love does no harm to his neighbor.


So I would say that Love was what the 10 commandments were all about........Loving God and Loving our neighbor.


So do you believe that the law is now written on your heart?


And what does Love look like?


Where do we find out how to interact with God and our neighbor in Love?
 

Desertsrose

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As the Lord said in Matthew 5:17, "Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.Though we are not under the law the law guides us throughout our lives. God wants his children to be obedient
Hi Prynce,

Yes, I agree, somehow people forget that part of the New Covenant promise is that God would write His laws on our hearts and minds!
 
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Yes, my understanding is that we no longer need the Law for salvation, but that we are still obligated to abide by it. Now some will point to Romans 13:10: "Love does no harm to a neighbor. Therefore love is the fulfillment of the law.", and say this is proof we don't need to follow the Law, only love one another, but the meaning of it is that love simply fulfills every piece of the Law, therefore it's essentially a "catch all": love, and you will in turn be fulfilling the rest of the Law (i.e. you will have no other gods before God, you will not murder, you will honor your father and your mother...etc.)
True, although even in todays society "Love" is being used to accept evil. So it's dangerous for people to completely disregard the law, obedience and replace it with just love. God is love but many also leave out he is a holy righteous judge.
 

Desertsrose

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Yes, my understanding is that we no longer need the Law for salvation, but that we are still obligated to abide by it. Now some will point to Romans 13:10: "Love does no harm to a neighbor. Therefore love is the fulfillment of the law.", and say this is proof we don't need to follow the Law, only love one another, but the meaning of it is that love simply fulfills every piece of the Law, therefore it's essentially a "catch all": love, and you will in turn be fulfilling the rest of the Law (i.e. you will have no other gods before God, you will not murder, you will honor your father and your mother...etc.)
Well said, Weezer! Also, welcome to CC! :)
 

Desertsrose

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True, although even in todays society "Love" is being used to accept evil. So it's dangerous for people to completely disregard the law, obedience and replace it with just love. God is love but many also leave out he is a holy righteous judge.
Hi Prynce,

Jesus told the apostles to go and make disciples and they were to teach these new disciples to obey all that Jesus commanded. As we read the NT, there's a lot that Jesus taught. He even corrected the misunderstandings the Jews had of the 10 Commandments. The Sermon on the Mount is full of commandments from Jesus.

John told us to obey the commands of Jesus.

1 John 5:1-3 Whoever believes that Jesus is the Christ is born of God, and whoever loves the Father loves the child born of Him. By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God and observe His commandments. For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments; and His commandments are not burdensome.

The epistles are full of instructions for us to obey. They are teaching the commandments of Jesus that He told them to teach in the Great Commission.

And it's because they're written on our hearts that they're not a burden.....as we read the scriptures and find out His desire and what His commands are, before we didn't want to obey and now we do. God's grace works that in the believer.

We are not to accept evil and say it's okay to sin, but we are to forgive those who are repentant. When we sin, we are in need of God's forgiveness and He freely forgives us our sins when we confess them and cleanses us from all unrighteousness.

That's the beauty of God's grace! His grace empowers us to obey. And that grace of God brings correction to His children which is a part of the loving one another. :)
 
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Hi Guys,


There seems to be a misunderstanding about the Law. What has happened to the law. Has it disappeared? Is it null and void now? Did God kill it?


Is the law holy, righteous and good? Or is it evil and wicked and we treat it like we treat sin……we abhor it and despise it and avoid it completely.


This discussion is about what relationship we have to the law after we are saved. Not about the salvation experience. So let’s please try to avoid the Works/Grace discussion and spring forward from being saved by grace through faith and now what?


And I’m not talking about the topic of keeping our salvation by works. That’s not at all what I’m referring to either.


So what is the relationship to the law now? Is it written on our hearts? Or is it dead and we have no relationship to it at all.


Please share scriptures with your comments so that we can see what God says about the law now that we’re saved.
The law Is GOD's perfect standard of righteousness,the law still exist and those that are not IN CHRIST will be judged according to the law and we know that ALL have come short of the glory of GOD.Only JESUS was able to keep GOD's perfect standard of righteousness perfectly.

JESUS,the vine and those that have been reborn of the SPIRIT of GOD are the branches,we are members of the body of CHRIST receiving sustenance from CHRIST and displaying spiritual fruit.
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1 Timothy 1:9
King James version(kjv)

9.)Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers,
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Philippians 3:9
King James version(kjv)

9.)And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith:
 
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Hi Guys,


There seems to be a misunderstanding about the Law. What has happened to the law. Has it disappeared? Is it null and void now? Did God kill it?


Is the law holy, righteous and good? Or is it evil and wicked and we treat it like we treat sin……we abhor it and despise it and avoid it completely.


This discussion is about what relationship we have to the law after we are saved. Not about the salvation experience. So let’s please try to avoid the Works/Grace discussion and spring forward from being saved by grace through faith and now what?


And I’m not talking about the topic of keeping our salvation by works. That’s not at all what I’m referring to either.


So what is the relationship to the law now? Is it written on our hearts? Or is it dead and we have no relationship to it at all.


Please share scriptures with your comments so that we can see what God says about the law now that we’re saved.
The law actually lead us to the understanding that we are all spiritually dead creatures that surely will never be able to help ourselves or others to be saved , so we will understand that it is inevitability that we need God Himself to save us .


Salvation is by God’s Grace alone ( sorry I use this phrase , that you have warned ).


If we imagine that God gave the law to us only contain prohibitions about; don’t kill, don’t covet , so surely we enthusiastically intentionally try to fulfill it, in our mind say that law are possible and plausible to be done, but how then if the law contains hundreds of prohibitions and rites ? , is it still possible and plausible ?, how then if we try to know what was the reason that Adam and Eve were driven out from Eden ? were there many fatal violations they might do if they were still in Eden ?, the violation they surely did that God worried about them that time was only “ surely ate the fruits of the tree of life intentionally “ then which one the simpler ? , how then if the simpler one was proven couldn’t be fulfilled ( driven out from Eden is the strong proof ) ? , is it possible to Humans fulfilling the hundreds laws ?, so what’s for the law actually then?.
The law will always be the standard of life in God eyes , although humans will never be able to fulfill it , but it will lead us to comprehend that we surely need His grace alone as the only way to save us ( by His Grace we are equated as fulfilling the standard of life ).
 
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The law still applies to us,the moral laws,laws of love,which Paul said,we do not void out the law through faith,but we establish the law,and the law is spiritual,holy,just,and good,for the spiritual law was in the Old Testament,but without the Spirit they could not live up to it.

A Spirit led person will not fulfill the lusts of the flesh,for they have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts,and will show the characteristics of the Spirit,which there is no sin there,for there is no ways of the flesh there,therefore they are not under the law,which means the law cannot touch them for prosecution.

Anytime a person decides to sin they are back under the law,for they are not led of the Spirit at that time,until they give it up,and allow the Spirit to lead them,then they are back not under the law.

A person is not under the law as long as they are led of the Spirit,which no ways of the flesh is displayed in their lifestyle.

Not under the law does not mean that the law does not apply,for the law we follow in the New Testament is spiritual,holy,just,and good,so they are to always be applied in a Christian's life.

If a person that claims to be with Christ is displaying sin,and hypocrisy,then they are not being led of the Spirit,so they are under the law.

Gal 5:16 This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.
Gal 5:18 But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.
Gal 5:24 And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.
Gal 5:25 If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.

Not under the law if a person is led of the Spirit,not if they claim Christ,and live in hypocrisy not being Christlike,which there are some that think they are led of the Spirit no matter how they act,but it is not true.

Gal 5:22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
Gal 5:23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.

A Spirit led life will display the characteristics of the Spirit,which there are no ways of the flesh there,that is why there is no law,because they are not breaking the law,for they are abstaining from sin showing the ways of the Spirit,which the man Christ Jesus showed the ways of the Spirit.

Not under the law does not mean we can sin and it is alright,but if we are led of the Spirit,for there is no sin there,and no hypocrisy.

Awake to righteousness,and sin not,and Paul said some do not have the knowledge of God,and it is to their shame,and do not depart from the living God,by the deceitfulness of sin.
 

Jackson123

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Hi Guys,


There seems to be a misunderstanding about the Law. What has happened to the law. Has it disappeared? Is it null and void now? Did God kill it?


Is the law holy, righteous and good? Or is it evil and wicked and we treat it like we treat sin……we abhor it and despise it and avoid it completely.


This discussion is about what relationship we have to the law after we are saved. Not about the salvation experience. So let’s please try to avoid the Works/Grace discussion and spring forward from being saved by grace through faith and now what?


And I’m not talking about the topic of keeping our salvation by works. That’s not at all what I’m referring to either.


So what is the relationship to the law now? Is it written on our hearts? Or is it dead and we have no relationship to it at all.


Please share scriptures with your comments so that we can see what God says about the law now that we’re saved.
all we need now is abide to the tree. We never able obey the law without His help.

the branch can not bear fruit of itself
 
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Now That We're Saved, What's The Law Got To Do With It?

Seeing that God has written it in our hearts(Jeremiah 31:31-33 and Hebrews chapters 8 & 10), I'd say a whole lot.
 
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I wonder what happens if we break the law...
The person In CHRIST that breaks the law might suffer the physical consequences here on the earth because we have not yet been glorified In our fleshly bodies for breaking the law but spiritually they are In CHRIST and will no longer have to fear death.

Those who are not In CHRIST are still under the law and condemned.
 

graceNpeace

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As the Lord said in Matthew 5:17, "Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.Though we are not under the law the law guides us throughout our lives. God wants his children to be obedient
And He has fulfilled the law - it is now in the past tense!
This does not mean that we without an ethic - just that we are NOT bound to the law as given by God to Moses.
 
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For instance, The Great Commission.....


Matthew 28:18-20


And Jesus came up and spoke to them, saying, “All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth. Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all that I commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age.”


What does it mean when Jesus told the apostles to make disciples teaching them to obey all that He commanded us?
I copied a snippet of some notes from Andrew Womack about the question you asked.

The reason we can go into all the world and share the Gospel is because Jesus now has all power in heaven and earth. And, as His ambassadors (2 Corinthians 5:20), we have that power too.

NOTE 5 AT MATTHEW 28:19:

Notice that teaching was mentioned twice in this commission. We have not been commanded to proclaim only, but we are also supposed to explain and provide training.
This is the cornerstone of Jesus’ plan of evangelization.


If 1 man led 1,000 people to the Lord each year, in thirty-five years there would be 35,000 converts through his ministry.

However, if the same man only led 1 person to the Lord every six months, then made disciples of those converts so that they could share their faith as he does, in ten years he would have 1,048,576 converts.

In fifteen years he would have evangelized over 1,000,000,000 people, and in just over sixteen years he would have evangelized the present population of the entire world. Jesus’ plan is the best.

Andrew Womack comments
 
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I wonder what happens if we break the law...
The condemnation of the law and the handwriting of ordinances that was against us have been nailed to the cross of Christ.....this fallacy of believers being BACK UNDER THE LAW is a lie and not true......