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lets put out all the verses talking about heaven...........
how many verses say we go to heaven.......?
dont it also say we shall inherit the earth (the new earth that is))

and dont it say the new jerusalem comes down ffrom heaven to earth???????? just wondering why do we always say go to heaven. how mayn verses speak about it? is it a figure of speech or does the bible teach that in many places??? or can we just teleport from heaven to earth as we please....... talk about it lets do so
 

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and dont it say the new jerusalem comes down from heaven to earth????????
No, the Bible does not say that. Here is what it says: And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.

You will notice that "to earth" is absent. What it means is that the New Jerusalem comes down out of Heaven but simply hovers over the earth. Since it is the size of a continent and it is also a cube of the same continental dimensions, it has no place on earth. Rather, it performs the function of the sun in that it gives light to the earth.
 
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No, the Bible does not say that. Here is what it says: And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.

You will notice that "to earth" is absent. What it means is that the New Jerusalem comes down out of Heaven but simply hovers over the earth. Since it is the size of a continent and it is also a cube of the same continental dimensions, it has no place on earth. Rather, it performs the function of the sun in that it gives light to the earth.
Interesting. Weird, but interesting.
 
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John 14:3 - My Father’s house are many rooms. If it were not so, would I have told you that I am going there to prepare a place for you? And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come back and welcome you into my presence, so that you also may be where I am.
 
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Interesting. Weird, but interesting.


It is not weird at all. The New Jerusalem is 1,500 cubic miles in dimension. And the Bible specifically tells us that there will be no sun, moon, or stars and that the nations of the earth will walk in the light of the New Jerusalem.

And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea. And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband...And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof. And the nations of them which are saved shall walk in the light of it: and the kings of the earth do bring their glory and honour into it.

Revelation 21:1,2,23,24.


 
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if the new jerusalem is just gonna float over there why the new earth being mentioned?????????? think
 

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if the new jerusalem is just gonna float over there why the new earth being mentioned?????????? think
Why? Because the new earth will be populated by the saved nations, including redeemed and restored Israel. But the New Jerusalem is the eternal home of the Lamb's Wife (the Church).
 

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The new earth will be the new Jerusalem
 
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Why? Because the new earth will be populated by the saved nations, including redeemed and restored Israel. But the New Jerusalem is the eternal home of the Lamb's Wife (the Church).
New Jerusalem would suggest that Israelites are allowed to enter? It is Jerusalem after all.
 

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New Jerusalem would suggest that Israelites are allowed to enter? It is Jerusalem after all.
There is no gate for gentiles.

12 foundations (the 12 apostles)
12 gates (the 12 tribes of Israel)
 

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Interesting. Weird, but interesting.
I'll say....


I think it's more like Clark's space elevator:






The problem we have here Houston is the literal mind set.

"And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband."

The above, as with many statements in the book of Revelation is not literal, it's figurative language, as is much of prophetic language in the old testabule.
 

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It says right here the 1st century believers were already "at" the New Jerusalem:

Heb 12:22 (NASB) But you have come to Mount Zion and to the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to myriads of angels,

This is precisely what John saw in his vision.
 
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Revelation....God creates a NEW HEAVEN and a NEW EARTH....
 
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lets put out all the verses talking about heaven...........
how many verses say we go to heaven.......?
dont it also say we shall inherit the earth (the new earth that is))

and dont it say the new jerusalem comes down ffrom heaven to earth???????? just wondering why do we always say go to heaven. how mayn verses speak about it? is it a figure of speech or does the bible teach that in many places??? or can we just teleport from heaven to earth as we please....... talk about it lets do so
I believe you will discover one day that we already are in heaven, but our sin causes us to lose faith and suffer. That is why the Lord "suggested" we stop sinning (Matt 4:17).
 

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Heaven ? Jesus said :

“No man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven,
even the Son of man [Jesus Christ] which is in heaven” (John 3:13).

If the saved go to heaven when they die, why did Peter say that King David,
a man after God’s own heart (Acts 13:22), “is both dead and buried, and his sepulchre
is with us unto this day. … For David is not ascended into the heavens”? (Acts 2:29, 34).

And if the saved go to heaven when they die, what need is there for a resurrection
from the dead? Why a resurrection if they have already “gone to their reward”?

Matthew 7:21 that it is the Kingdom “of” heaven—not in heaven!
It is the Kingdom of, or owned and ruled by, heaven, but will be on earth.

The “meek” and the “poor in spirit”—in other words, humble Christians,
they shall inherit the Earth for an everlasting possession, and shall enter
the “kingdom of heaven,” which will be on Earth! Matthew 5

-Christians today, we are to pray earnestly: “thy kingdom COME”!
The word “come” implies it will come to Earth. Christ did not tell us to pray,
“Let us go to heaven”! Obviously God’s Kingdom has not come to the Earth yet.

In Heaven where the Christian’s inheritance is being kept.
1 Peter 1:3-4; Matthew 5:12; Luke 6:23.

These verses do not say, “Great is your reward when you get to heaven.”
They do not tell us when or where Christians will receive their inheritance and
rewards,only that they are now being “reserved” for them in heaven!

31 When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels
with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:
32 And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one
from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:

-the righteous inherit the Kingdom of God, when He comes: Matthew 25:31-34.

when the rewards reserved in heaven will be conferred Revelation 22:12.
when Christ returns, that Abraham and his children through Christ will
become inheritors of the promises and receive their reward!

We cannot inherit the Kingdom while still A mortal flesh-and-blood human
1 Corinthians 15:50.

When our bodies be changed—converted from flesh to spirit Verse 52.
at the trumpet sound, at the Second Coming of Christ 1 Thessalonians 4:16-17.
when Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, David and others will inherit the promises.

31 But as touching the resurrection of the dead, have ye not read that which was spoken
unto you by God, saying, I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac,
and the God of Jacob? God is not the God of the dead, but of the living.

-Jesus declares that Abraham, Isaac and Jacob will in the future, be resurrected.
This text is often twisted and perverted in an attempt to prove that Abraham is not dead
—that he went to heaven when he died—just the diametric opposite of what Jesus used
this illustration to point out. Matthew 22:31-32.

God sometimes speaks of things that are to be as though they have already happened
(Romans 4:17). Jesus was speaking of their future resurrection to immortal life!

For He plainly said, in context, “As touching the resurrection of the dead .…”

Abraham and his children through Christ have not, as yet, inherited the promises.
They simply cannot come into their eternal inheritance until they receive eternal life!

This, as Paul explained, will happen at the resurrection from the dead!
Without a resurrection, the dead would never live again (1 Corinthians 15:16, 18);

the plain truth is that heaven is not the “reward of the saved.”
That heaven is coming to the Earth. The Earth will eventually become
the very headquarters from which the Father will rule His vast creation!

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When Jesus Christ returns, He will say, “Come, ye blessed of my Father,
inherit the kingdom prepared for you …” (Matthew 25:34).

May God help us to be among those who will inherit the Kingdom of God,
along with Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, King David and others
 

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Since it is the size of a continent and it is also a cube of the same continental dimensions, it has no place on earth. Rather, it performs the function of the sun in that it gives light to the earth.
Could be a pyramid.

 

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Could be but it would have no spiritual significance. On the other hand, the Holy of Holies was a cube, both in the tabernacle, and in the Temple of Israel, and the New Jerusalem will be the eternal Holy of Holies, since God and the Lamb (Christ) will dwell there eternally, and on earth that was where the Shekinah glory of God was to be found.

On the other hands. Egyptian paganism and pyramids always went hand in hand.
 

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Heaven Defined

“Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them”
This word heavens refers to two different heavens. (Gen. 2:1)

The first heaven consists of the Earth’s atmosphere. The second heaven is
the vast reaches of space beyond the atmosphere.

There is also a third heaven: the home of God. The Apostle Paul saw this “third heaven,”
where God’s throne is, in a vision (ii Cor. 12:1-2). This vision was so intensely realistic
that Paul was unable to tell if he was physically there, or if he was seeing it in his mind.

In Heb. 4:14, the phrase “into the heavens,” should be translated “through the heavens.”
We see that Jesus Christ passed through the first two heavens—Earth’s atmosphere and
outer space—as He ascended to the third heaven.

John 3:13 reveals that no man has ascended to heaven except for Jesus Christ.

Certainly many have ascended to the first and second heavens by aircraft, spacecraft and
other means,this verse can only refer to the third heaven, where the Almighty God resides.

Some have said that Elijah ascended to heaven, which he did—but not to the third
heaven. He was taken by chariots of fire up into the first heaven (ii Kings 2:11).
The Hebrew word used for heaven here is the same as in Genesis 2:1.

Elijah did not die during this experience. In fact, Elijah wrote a letter to King Jehoram
years after this event (ii Chron. 21:12). Elijah had been miraculously transported to
another location on Earth.
 

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Enoch's Translation, did he go to heaven?


Jesus Himself said: "No man hath ascended up to heaven,
but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man"
Enoch Walked With God (Gen. 5:22)

At the age of 65 Enoch had a son named Methuselah.
"And Enoch walked with God after he begat Methuselah
three hundred years, and he begat sons and daughters"
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Hebrews 11:6 the apostle said, "But without faith it is impossible
to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is,
and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him."

So He obeyed God, and followed Him in His paths by faith.
Amos the prophet said: "Can two walk together, except they be agreed?"

The scripture says that he "walked with God after he begat Methuselah
three hundred years." So Enoch followed God's ways for three hundred years.

Moses did not record that Enoch [is still] walking with God.

"all the days of Enoch were three hundred sixty and five years" If Enoch did
not die - if he were changed to immortality - and thus continued to walk with God,
then his days would have been more than three hundred and sixty-five years.


Enoch's Translation

Moses wrote that "Enoch walked with God: and he was not; for God
took him" (Gen. 5:24). Paul records the same event by saying that he
"was not found, because God had translated him" (Heb. 11:5).

That Enoch was not found because God took him, or "translated" him.
The Bible does not say that Enoch went to heaven when he was translated.
Instead it says he was not found. Certainly Enoch was "translated,"

The original Greek word for "translate" is metatithemi.
According to Arndt-Gingrich's Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament,
1969 edition, the primary meaning is to "convey to another place ... transfer"

Jacob died his body was "carried over"

This same Greek word is rendered "carried over" in Acts 7:16.
Here we read that after Jacob died his body was "carried over"
- transported, translated - to Sychem where he was buried!

Jacob was transported or translated to the place of burial!
That is why Moses said that God took Enoch. God removed - translated
- him so that he was not found. God took Enoch and buried him!

In Deuteronomy 34:6 we read also how God took Moses from the people
after which he died and was buried by God. "But no man knoweth his
sepulchre unto this day." God removed Moses - God translated him - and
he was not found either!

He was taken away and was not found. All his days were three hundred
and sixty-five! That's as long as Enoch lived.

*Colossians 1:13: the Father "hath delivered us from the power of darkness,
and hath [translated us] into the kingdom of his dear Son." Here the Bible
says that Christians are already translated - but Christians still die!

Enoch is included by Paul (in Hebrews 11) among the fathers who obtained
a good report through faith; but"these all, having obtained a good report
through faith, received not the promise" (Heb. 11:39). What promise?

The "hope of eternal life, which God, that cannot lie,
promised before the world began" (Titus 1:2).


Enoch and all the worthies of old will receive the promise of eternal life
at the return of Christ, the same time Christians obtain it (Heb. 11:40)

"These all died in faith, not having received the promises."
Paul tells us: Abel, Enoch, Noah, and the patriarchs and their wives. Heb 11:1-12
lists those who had faith and Enoch is included among them. Then in verse 13 Paul
proved that they had not inherited the promises by saying:

"These all [including Enoch] died in faith." But what about Paul's saying
that Enoch "should not see death"?


There is more than one death mentioned in the Bible.
There is a first death, and there is a second death (Rev. 20:6).

The first death is appointed unto men (Heb. 9:27). That death cannot
be humanly evaded. It is inevitable, and that death Enoch died.

But Paul was not writing about that death. The phrase "should not see"
is in the conditional tense of the verb, having reference to a future event.

It is not in the past tense, that he "did not see" death - but that he
"should not see death." So this death that Enoch escaped by being
translated is one that he can escape in the future on certain conditions!

In John 8:51 Jesus said, "Verily, verily, I say unto you, If a man keep my
saying, he shall never see death" - shall never see - that is, suffer - the
second death! And again in John 11:26, "Whosoever liveth and believeth
in me shall never die" - or "shall not die forever."

The death which Enoch should escape must be the second death which
will never touch those who are in the first resurrection (Rev. 20:6).

And Enoch will be in the first resurrection because he met the conditions!
The second death shall never touch Enoch,because of his faith and obedience.

Enoch had faith. He believed God and walked with God, obeying Him.
Jesus did not speak of Himself, but spoke what the Father commanded Him.

God had translated him: for before his translation he had this testimony,
that he pleased God."

Enoch had faith and was translated. This translation -removal, transference
- was on condition of faith. That we read in Colossians 1:13
The Father "hath delivered us from the power of darkness,
and hath translated us into the kingdom. of his dear Son."

This is a figurative translation - a removal or transference from the spiritual darkness
of this world tothe light of the family or Kingdom of God and Christ. In verse 10 Paul
shows that to abide in this Kingdom we must "walk worthy of the Lord unto all pleasing."

This is exactly what Enoch did. He walked with God, and pleased God. Then Enoch,
the same as Christians, was delivered from the power of sin and darkness in which he
had been living for sixty-five years. He was removed (translated) from the ways of the
world and lived three hundred years according to God's ways so that he might inherit
eternal life at Christ's return, and should not suffer the second death.


Not only was Enoch figuratively taken from the society of his day,
but he was also literally removed -translated - so that he was not found.
God took him physically away from the people, just as He later took Moses.
And God buried each so well that neither has ever been found since!


Why Lamech's Boast?

Lamech, a descendant of Cain (not the same person listed in the genealogy
of Genesis 5), boasted to his two wives: "I have slain a man to my wounding,
and a young man to my hurt. If Cain be avenged sevenfold, truly Lamech
seventy and sevenfold" (Gen. 4:23-24).

The "man"was Cain. Hence Lamech's reference to the fact that God
would take vengeance on anyone who dared to murder Cain.

But who was the "young man"? Enoch at age three hundred and sixty-five
would certainly be considered a young man by his generation.

Enoch walked with God. Furthermore, he prophesied of the coming of Christ
to execute judgment and to convict the ungodly (Jude 14-15). He was in effect
a "preacher of righteousness" (compare II Peter 2:5).

But God's message has never been popular. As a servant of God, Enoch
undoubtedly convicted and enraged many by his message. His life was in
danger. Finally that ungodly generation tolerated Enoch's preaching no longer.

By comparing Lamech's saying with the age of Enoch at his death[young man],
we may deduce from Scripture that Lamech (by himself or with a mob)
stilled Enoch's voice by murder. Don't think this strange or unusual.

Hebrew tradition reveals that Noah, the great grandson of Enoch,
had to flee for his life in order to carry out the Work of God.
(Josephus, Antiquities of the Jews, book I, chapter 3, section 1, ).

Many of the greatest men of the Bible were martyred.

He was taken physically from the people just as Christians
are to be spiritually removed from the ways of this world.
God is concerned with one's physical welfare. But He is more
concerned with one's spiritual state and one's eternal life.

Like every true saint, Enoch is awaiting the hope of the resurrection
and the return of Jesus Christ, the Messiah (Jude 14, 15).
 
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prove-all great posts i agree mon. we are to live on earth!!!!!!!!!!!