Tough on marriage

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When Jesus spoke about marriage, many people said "This is a hard teaching"

You can not divorce unless there is adultery committed. In fact it's not divorce, it's that the body that God united has been broken.

Other than that Jesus said if your partner dies you are free to remarry.

So what other conditions are set in leaving ones husband or wife?

I do not know, I think there is none.

Only one, unbelief. But for the sake of their soul you can remain married.

But what is a true marriage? Is it the formulaic precession we have created today, or something else.

Something sacred?
 
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savedtoast said:
When Jesus spoke about marriage, many people said "This is a hard teaching"

You can not divorce unless there is adultery committed. In fact it's not divorce, it's that the body that God united has been broken.

Other than that Jesus said if your partner dies you are free to remarry.

So what other conditions are set in leaving ones husband or wife?

I do not know, I think there is none.

Only one, unbelief. But for the sake of their soul you can remain married.

But what is a true marriage? Is it the formulaic precession we have created today, or something else.

Something sacred?
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I'm thinking that if you break up with your spouse, you got to break up with God too.
 
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Tommy379 said:
I'm thinking that if you break up with your spouse, you got to break up with God too.
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Very good Tommy, you can see the fine line that many believe isn't there.

But what if husband or wife becomes abusive, what do you do then?
 
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Very good Tommy, you can see the fine line that many believe isn't there.

But what if husband or wife becomes abusive, what do you do then?
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Separate and work on reconciliation.
 
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Separate and work on reconciliation.
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You are very wise, yes the bible does points that out.

And if husband or wife becomes an unbeliever, what would you say then?
 
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It is a sacred union. As the scriptures says in Mark, the two will become one flesh. biblical speaking those are the only conditions stated in the scriptures. While there are other specific situations that can be debated if the Lord would allow divorce such as abuse and etc.
 
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Magenta said:
You said it was grounds for divorce, but the Bible does not.
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Let me find those bible passages regarding unbelievers and marriage.
 
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*12* But to the rest speak I, not the Lord: If any brother hath a wife that believeth not, and she be pleased to dwell with him, let him not put her away.

*13* And the woman which hath an husband that believeth not, and if he be pleased to dwell with her, let her not leave him.

*14* For the unbelieving husband is sanctified by the wife, and the unbelieving wife is sanctified by the husband: else were your children unclean; but now are they holy.

*15* But if the unbelieving depart, let him depart. A brother or a sister is not under bondage in such cases: but God hath called us to peace. note

*16* For what knowest thou, O wife, whether thou shalt save thy husband? or how knowest thou, O man, whether thou shalt save thy wife?
 
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I do not see grounds for divorce put forth in any of those passages.
In fact it is telling the believer to stay with their non-believing spouse.
 
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Magenta said:
I do not see grounds for divorce put forth in any of those passages.
In fact it is telling the believer to stay with their non-believing spouse.
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But if the partner wishes to leave they can. But is that divorce or not, Paul did say "I" not the Lord says this.
 
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savedtoast said:
You are very wise, yes the bible does points that out.

And if husband or wife becomes an unbeliever, what would you say then?
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If they don't believe, and want to stay, then you stay.
 
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*12* But to the rest speak I, not the Lord: If any brother hath a wife that believeth not, and she be pleased to dwell with him, let him not put her away. *13* And the woman which hath an husband that believeth not, and if he be pleased to dwell with her, let her not leave him. *14* For the unbelieving husband is sanctified by the wife, and the unbelieving wife is sanctified by the husband: else were your children unclean; but now are they holy. *15* But if the unbelieving depart, let him depart. A brother or a sister is not under bondage in such cases: but God hath called us to peace. note *16* For what knowest thou, O wife, whether thou shalt save thy husband? or how knowest thou, O man, whether thou shalt save thy wife?
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The scriptures talk about not being unequally yoked with non believers. However it's not an exception for divorce. If the spouse being a non believer is an issue that should be taken care off before the marriage union.
 
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Do you mean the non-believer can leave? I don't understand why you would feel a need to clarify that. I thought we were discussing what believers are to do. Non-believers do not follow Biblical teachings, and will do what they want regardless.
 
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Do you mean the non-believer can leave? I don't understand why you would feel a need to clarify that. I thought we were discussing what believers are to do. Non-believers do not follow Biblical teachings, and will do what they want regardless.
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Well I think that's what it's saying. I'm not in a position to say I understand Jesus on this. That's why I opened this thread.
 
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What if a spouse leaves, marries another, wouldn't that be adultery? And then that spouse would have to leave the second marriage to repent and reconcile with God?
 
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savedtoast said:
Well I think that's what it's saying. I'm not in a position to say I understand Jesus on this. That's why I opened this thread.
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No, the non believer is not free to leave, God's word applies to all, but rather, the believer is called to let them go.
 
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Tommy379 said:
No, the non believer is not free to leave, God's word applies to all, but rather, the believer is called to let them go.
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Do we go with Paul on this one?
 
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Saved Toast said: Well I think that's what it's saying. I'm not in a position to say I understand Jesus on this. That's why I opened this thread.
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I see. However you did say in your OP that there was one other circumstance besides infidelity that allowed for divorce, and named it as unbelief, which is not actually grounds for divorce for the believer. The non believer may choose to leave their Christian spouse though, and that amounts to infidelity. It is not the believer that is to leave in such a case. Just clarifying :)
 
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Magenta said:
I see. However you did say in your OP that there was one other circumstance besides infidelity that allowed for divorce, and named it as unbelief, which is not actually grounds for divorce for the believer. The non believer may choose to leave their Christian spouse though, and that amounts to infidelity. It is not the believer that is to leave in such a case. Just clarifying :)
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I said none and one, Paul said "I" but not from the Lord.
 
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