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He existed in eternity, as did the Father. The titles are given in human terms so as to bring out that They are of the same nature just like a father and son. They were not called it before the world was created. It is to give US understanding.
so you are ashamed of saying which church you belong to? I knew it.
so you are ashamed of saying which church you belong to? I knew it.
In three instances in the Bible record, Jehovah is reported as speaking audibly to humans. These are: (1) At the time of Jesus’ baptism (29 C.E.), when Jehovah said: “This is my Son, the beloved, whom I have approved.” Both Jesus and John the Baptizer undoubtedly heard this voice. (Mt 3:17; Mr 1:11; Lu 3:22) (2) At Jesus’ transfiguration (32 C.E.), with the apostles Peter, James, and John present, when virtually the same words were uttered. (Mt 17:5; Mr 9:7; Lu 9:35) (3) In 33 C.E., shortly before Jesus’ last Passover, when, responding to Jesus’ request that God glorify his name, a voice from heaven said: “I both glorified it and will glorify it again.” The crowd thought that it had thundered or that an angel had spoken to Jesus.—Joh 12:28, 29.
However, no human has ever seen the Heavenly father of Jesus and lived.
However, no human has ever seen the Heavenly father of Jesus and lived.
Actually bronson, that's not entirely true. God spoke audibly to humans at Exodus 20:22, Exodus 3:4 and at Deuteronomy 5:24 and vs26 which references God speaking audibly to humans at Exodus 3:4. Furthermore, God appeared physcially at Genesis 17:1,2 as well as other places.
The bottom line with dagallen is he flat out denies the deity of Jesus Christ. And one more thing for your information this is not about the Trinity, it's all about who is Jesus Christ. You cannot deny His deity and be a Christian, period.
IN GOD THE SON,
bluto
The bottom line with dagallen is he flat out denies the deity of Jesus Christ. And one more thing for your information this is not about the Trinity, it's all about who is Jesus Christ. You cannot deny His deity and be a Christian, period.
IN GOD THE SON,
bluto
This jaybird is a classic argument from silence. Do you know what that means? You look it up and then get back to me. However, would you settle for "We," or how about "Our?" John 14:23, "If anyone loves Me, he will keep My word; and My Father will love him, and "WE" WILL MAKE OUR ABODE WITH HIM."
And then at John 14:26, (3 verses later) Jesus said, "But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all that I said to you." So in short, Christians have the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit indwelling them. It's all right there jaybird in your Bible, just read it?
IN GOD THE SON,
bluto
And then at John 14:26, (3 verses later) Jesus said, "But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all that I said to you." So in short, Christians have the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit indwelling them. It's all right there jaybird in your Bible, just read it?
IN GOD THE SON,
bluto
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yes i know what it means, to me it means one would be very foolish when they establish facts that do not show up in the scripture. Jesus, the Father, and saint Paul both speak of establishing facts by witnesses.
nowhere close to what i said.
nowhere in my bible is the Most High called they
nowhere close to what i said.
And then at John 14:26, (3 verses later) Jesus said, "But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all that I said to you." So in short, Christians have the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit indwelling them. It's all right there jaybird in your Bible, just read it?
IN GOD THE SON,
bluto
IN GOD THE SON,
bluto
You're making dogmatic assertions here, please give the exact reference in Genesis that does the above. The manifestations you refer to are not so, they are Persons of the Triune God. What you are teaching is modalism.
Are you still referring to Genesis here? You seem to be trailing off randomly...to which Scriptures are you speaking?
No need to fall on your own sword dear, but I am seeking some clarity on your statements. You're teaching doctrine, so clarification is needed.
Are you still referring to Genesis here? You seem to be trailing off randomly...to which Scriptures are you speaking?
No need to fall on your own sword dear, but I am seeking some clarity on your statements. You're teaching doctrine, so clarification is needed.
You are treading on thin ice my friend. The trinity is a core christian doctrine and has been believed by everyone everywhere. The truth is, if you discard the trinity you are outside of Christianity and into cult land of the JWs.
Genesis 1:26 "And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth."
Genesis 1:26 "And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth."
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There are people on here who are nothing but present day foot soldiers of Rome and the belief system of Rome, as the trinity concept was elevated in Rome and went world wide, it's intent was to bring people under one belief system for the sake of control, as Rome is a one world, one government, one belief system, one world order. If anyone does not support every part of the system, foot soldiers will seek to destroy you, as the intent of the heart of foot soldiers is to destroy, yes they know scriptures very well, yes they know how to twist scriptures to give the appearance of, as there are many foot soldiers even on here, watch for loaded question, watch for degrading insults, as their intent is to be little you, to degrade you.