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i dont think these questions are central. i think its central to live a Christ like life and not bicker day in and day out over what His specific nature was. when these doctrines start showing up the church starts self destructing, they even burned entire villages to the ground to get their doctrines accepted. that was not the example of Jesus and the 12.
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again I'm just telling you what it says. And we are as God in the sense of his nature that he has given us. It says in 1Corinthians 15:49 that as we have born the image of the earthly, so we shall also bear the image of the heavenly. 2 Corinthians 3:18 it says we are changed into the same image from glory to glory. 1Corinthians 6:17 says he that is joined unto the Lord is one Spirit. We as Christians are in God. All one inside that same Spirit.
Matthew 3:16-17 shows a clear depiction of a moment when all 3 persons of God are present at the same time in Scripture.
[FONT="] As soon as Jesus was baptized, he went up out of the water. At that moment heaven was opened, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove and alighting on him.[/FONT][FONT="][/FONT][FONT="]17 And a voice from heaven said, “This is my Son, whom I love; with him I am well pleased.”[/FONT]
[FONT="] As soon as Jesus was baptized, he went up out of the water. At that moment heaven was opened, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove and alighting on him.[/FONT][FONT="][/FONT][FONT="]17 And a voice from heaven said, “This is my Son, whom I love; with him I am well pleased.”[/FONT]
Jesus is divine, yet He Himself professes what He professes. It is not for us to add extra words into His mouth. If Jesus says that He did not send Himself, rather, that it was God who sent Him, why should I not believe in what He so plainly speaks? Why must I cling to another doctrine?
And if Jesus plainly says that “The Father is greater than I” like He did in John 14:28, why should I try and find an excuse to disregard this simple teaching? If Jesus prayed to the Father and said that He desires that we may know the Father as the one true God (nothing about “us” as the one true God), then why do some still reject this teaching? (John 17:3)
Men were also called gods and lords within scripture. Being called god/God does not mean God of the Most High. In fact, 1 Corinthians 8:5-6 shows this to be the case.
For even if there are so-called gods, whether in heaven or on earth—as there are many “gods” and many “lords”— yet for us there is one God, the Father. All things are from Him, and we exist for Him. And there is one Lord, Jesus Christ. All things are through Him, and we exist through Him…1 Corinthians 8:5-6
If you would like a very simple example of this fact, then just look at Hebrews 1:8-9 which reads: “but to the Son: Your throne, God, is forever and ever, and the scepter of Your kingdom is a scepter of justice. You have loved righteousness and hated lawlessness; this is why God, Your God, has anointed You with the oil of joy rather than Your companions.”
Even when Jesus was no longer in His earthly body anymore, He made a bold statement. After the crucifixion, one of the first things that He tells Mary Magdalene is this… “Don’t cling to Me,” Jesus told her, “for I have not yet ascended to the Father. But go to My brothers and tell them that I am ascending to My Father and your Father—to My God and your God.” John 20:17
And if Jesus plainly says that “The Father is greater than I” like He did in John 14:28, why should I try and find an excuse to disregard this simple teaching? If Jesus prayed to the Father and said that He desires that we may know the Father as the one true God (nothing about “us” as the one true God), then why do some still reject this teaching? (John 17:3)
Men were also called gods and lords within scripture. Being called god/God does not mean God of the Most High. In fact, 1 Corinthians 8:5-6 shows this to be the case.
For even if there are so-called gods, whether in heaven or on earth—as there are many “gods” and many “lords”— yet for us there is one God, the Father. All things are from Him, and we exist for Him. And there is one Lord, Jesus Christ. All things are through Him, and we exist through Him…1 Corinthians 8:5-6
If you would like a very simple example of this fact, then just look at Hebrews 1:8-9 which reads: “but to the Son: Your throne, God, is forever and ever, and the scepter of Your kingdom is a scepter of justice. You have loved righteousness and hated lawlessness; this is why God, Your God, has anointed You with the oil of joy rather than Your companions.”
Even when Jesus was no longer in His earthly body anymore, He made a bold statement. After the crucifixion, one of the first things that He tells Mary Magdalene is this… “Don’t cling to Me,” Jesus told her, “for I have not yet ascended to the Father. But go to My brothers and tell them that I am ascending to My Father and your Father—to My God and your God.” John 20:17
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