THE TREE OF KNOWLEDGE

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maverich

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we look at the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, and for the most part we discuss evil.

If you read the bible carefully you will find that our good is as filthy rags

Jesus to the rich young ruler " why do you call me good, there is none good except the Father!!!

Brings me to "don't judge lest you be judged" hmmmm!!!!

All judgement is based on the tree of knowledge the law was given to help us be judgemental. except we are not to be judges. The moment we look at someone or something and pronounce it bad, we have opened ourselves up to the same judgement

When you say that person is sinning, you are judging by the law, so we will then be judged by the same standard

Judge not yourself for again you are using a standard of judgement that is ungodly, we are wonderfully made with all of our intricasies and picadillies. God made us, so when we judge ourselves or others we are saying Lord you did a bad job

Bible verse to quantify this Samson and his philistine bride, Parents didn't want it but Samson did, oh how luustful and disrespectful he is. but wait verse 4 Say but they didn't know God was in it.

Maybe the thing you hate about some one was put their for a purpose that your not awware of

JUST TRYING TO MAKE SOME PEOPLE THINK
 
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savedtoast

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we look at the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, and for the most part we discuss evil.

If you read the bible carefully you will find that our good is as filthy rags

Jesus to the rich young ruler " why do you call me good, there is none good except the Father!!!

Brings me to "don't judge lest you be judged" hmmmm!!!!

All judgement is based on the tree of knowledge the law was given to help us be judgemental. except we are not to be judges. The moment we look at someone or something and pronounce it bad, we have opened ourselves up to the same judgement

When you say that person is sinning, you are judging by the law, so we will then be judged by the same standard

Judge not yourself for again you are using a standard of judgement that is ungodly, we are wonderfully made with all of our intricasies and picadillies. God made us, so when we judge ourselves or others we are saying Lord you did a bad job

Bible verse to quantify this Samson and his philistine bride, Parents didn't want it but Samson did, oh how luustful and disrespectful he is. but wait verse 4 Say but they didn't know God was in it.

Maybe the thing you hate about some one was put their for a purpose that your not awware of

JUST TRYING TO MAKE SOME PEOPLE THINK
Yes I know exactly what you mean.

It wouldn't matter if Adam and Eve knew only the good side of the tree of knowledge, it would still end in death.
Knowing goodness it seems was as poisonous as knowing evil.
 

maverich

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Yes I know exactly what you mean.

It wouldn't matter if Adam and Eve knew only the good side of the tree of knowledge, it would still end in death.
Knowing goodness it seems was as poisonous as knowing evil.
amen and again i say amen
 
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we look at the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, and for the most part we discuss evil.

If you read the bible carefully you will find that our good is as filthy rags

Jesus to the rich young ruler " why do you call me good, there is none good except the Father!!!

Brings me to "don't judge lest you be judged" hmmmm!!!!

All judgement is based on the tree of knowledge the law was given to help us be judgemental. except we are not to be judges. The moment we look at someone or something and pronounce it bad, we have opened ourselves up to the same judgement

When you say that person is sinning, you are judging by the law, so we will then be judged by the same standard

Judge not yourself for again you are using a standard of judgement that is ungodly, we are wonderfully made with all of our intricasies and picadillies. God made us, so when we judge ourselves or others we are saying Lord you did a bad job

Bible verse to quantify this Samson and his philistine bride, Parents didn't want it but Samson did, oh how luustful and disrespectful he is. but wait verse 4 Say but they didn't know God was in it.

Maybe the thing you hate about some one was put their for a purpose that your not awware of

JUST TRYING TO MAKE SOME PEOPLE THINK
It would seem to me the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, mentioned in Genesis, refers to people passing judgment on each other. There are times people do need to pass judgment in order to protect themselves, but this doesn't include gossip.
 

Adstar

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When you say that person is sinning, you are judging by the law, so we will then be judged by the same standard
No.. We are using the Law to convict people of their sin and thus reveal to them their need of the atonement of the LORD Jesus Christ..

Now if one was to grab a whip and thrash that person for sinning then that would be the kind of judgement that Jesus called upon us not to do.. But revealing sin and giving warning of the judgement of God to come that is far worse then a thrashing... That is what we are supposed to do..
 

Locutus

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The tree of knowledge is representative of the later Law of Moses:

Rom 7:10 I found that the very commandment that was intended to bring life actually brought death.
 

loveme1

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God commanded them not to eat and told them they would die and the serpent beguiled and Eve believed the serpent.

Moral of the story is that GOD is to be obeyed at all times and knows best.
 
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I too believe that the law of Moses is a manifestation of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil that was released into the world by Adam's transgression. We see it's influence on the hearts of the unbelievers gentiles in Romans 2 as well as the law expressed outwardly by God to the Jews.
 
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savedtoast

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Quick question:

Is this thread a good thread or bad thread?

Do you have to think it's either, or is there a choice outside of thinking something is good or bad?
 

loveme1

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Revelation 22

12And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be. 13I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.
14Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city. 15For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.
16I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.
17And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely.


We have to be Baptized with the Holy Spirit through belief.. born again to love and Worship God in Spirit and Truth.




 
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savedtoast

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Revelation 22

12And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be. 13I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.
14Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city. 15For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.
16I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.
17And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely.


We have to be Baptized with the Holy Spirit through belief.. born again to love and Worship God in Spirit and Truth.




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graceNpeace

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I too believe that the law of Moses is a manifestation of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil that was released into the world by Adam's transgression. We see it's influence on the hearts of the unbelievers gentiles in Romans 2 as well as the law expressed outwardly by God to the Jews.
Yes...

19 [FONT=&quot]What purpose then [/FONT]does the law serve? It was added because of transgressions, till the Seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was appointed through angels by the hand of a mediator. Gal 3:19
 

Magenta

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we look at the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, and for the most part we discuss evil.

If you read the bible carefully you will find that our good is as filthy rags
That is in relation to works earning salvation. They don't.
No amount of "being good" will save you.

Jesus to the rich young ruler " why do you call me good, there is none good except the Father!!!
Amen.

Brings me to "don't judge lest you be judged" hmmmm!!!!
Jesus said to judge with righteous judgment. If you believe you are not to judge
you are violating your own standard of values and beliefs by judging others.


All judgement is based on the tree of knowledge the law was given to help us be judgemental. except we are not to be judges. The moment we look at someone or something and pronounce it bad, we have opened ourselves up to the same judgement
There is a difference between discernment and judgment, but besides that, if you think everything is good for you or everyone is good for you, you are in for quite a rude awakening. You evaluate and assess people places and things every day; we do it on a continual basis, most of the time probably unconsciously, and each of us has gotten to where we are in life because of decisions we have made based on our judgments. People need to be more aware, so they do not judge by appearances, but by righteous judgment as Jesus said.

When you say that person is sinning, you are judging by the law, so we will then be judged by the same standard
We are all judged by God's standard.

Judge not yourself for again you are using a standard of judgement that is ungodly, we are wonderfully made with all of our intricasies and picadillies. God made us, so when we judge ourselves or others we are saying Lord you did a bad job
So you blame God for mankind's sin and evil? Hmmm, good to know but bad choice, I think.

See that? I underlined bad for you :) I don't think you are bad, though. Making God responsible for the evil of mankind is a bad choice, though. Still, He took responsibility for it and sent Jesus to pay the sin debt of the world that we may be reconciled to God. Praise the Lord!
 

maverich

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That is in relation to works earning salvation. They don't.
No amount of "being good" will save you.


Amen.


Jesus said to judge with righteous judgment. If you believe you are not to judge
you are violating your own standard of values and beliefs by judging others.



There is a difference between discernment and judgment, but besides that, if you think everything is good for you or everyone is good for you, you are in for quite a rude awakening. You evaluate and assess people places and things every day; we do it on a continual basis, most of the time probably unconsciously, and each of us has gotten to where we are in life because of decisions we have made based on our judgments. People need to be more aware, so they do not judge by appearances, but by righteous judgment as Jesus said.


We are all judged by God's standard.


So you blame God for mankind's sin and evil? Hmmm, good to know but bad choice, I think.

See that? I underlined bad for you :) I don't think you are bad, though. Making God responsible for the evil of mankind is a bad choice, though. Still, He took responsibility for it and sent Jesus to pay the sin debt of the world that we may be reconciled to God. Praise the Lord!
In response to all of the above, if you understood the tree, and what occurred there, you would understand, what i said.

When confronted by God, Adam immediately made a judgement that God and Eve were the ones at fault. he was innocent. The tree brought something into the world that belongs soley to God and that is judgement.

How can we possibly judge right or wrong when we A. have no business doing so Or B. we don't know what right or wrong is.

a man does something we think to be so wrong, be is anyone able to discern the heart of a man, except God. when we decide to be judges, we are exalting ourselves above the throne of God.

As far as pointing out sin to an unbeliever. Its been my observation thru 58 years that every evil person knows what they are doing is wrong.

don't forget God gave everyone a measure of faith.
Salvation comes by the Word and our testimony, not by pointing out what everybodies wrongs are. The above salvation line is childrens Sunday school 101
 
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No.. We are using the Law to convict people of their sin and thus reveal to them their need of the atonement of the LORD Jesus Christ..

Now if one was to grab a whip and thrash that person for sinning then that would be the kind of judgement that Jesus called upon us not to do.. But revealing sin and giving warning of the judgement of God to come that is far worse then a thrashing... That is what we are supposed to do..
Now that Faith has come, we do not need the Law to show us anything...
 
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God writes them upon our heart and puts them in our minds.. so I beg to differ.
Gal 3.24-29

[SUP]24 [/SUP]Therefore the Law has become our tutor to lead us to Christ, so that we may be justified by faith. [SUP]25[/SUP]But now that faith has come, we are no longer under a tutor. [SUP]26 [/SUP]For you are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus. [SUP]27 [/SUP]For all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ. [SUP]28 [/SUP]There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free man, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus. [SUP]29 [/SUP]And if you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham’s descendants, heirs according to promise.

Then you beg to differ with the Word...
 

maverich

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Gal 3.24-29

[SUP]24 [/SUP]Therefore the Law has become our tutor to lead us to Christ, so that we may be justified by faith. [SUP]25[/SUP]But now that faith has come, we are no longer under a tutor. [SUP]26 [/SUP]For you are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus. [SUP]27 [/SUP]For all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ. [SUP]28 [/SUP]There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free man, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus. [SUP]29 [/SUP]And if you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham’s descendants, heirs according to promise.

Then you beg to differ with the Word...
then i offer this in response, Galations i believe, cause i didn't look.
WHILE you are a child you are a slave to the servant/tutor but when you mature you are master of all
 
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then i offer this in response, Galations i believe, cause i didn't look.
WHILE you are a child you are a slave to the servant/tutor but when you mature you are master of all
Are you trying to say this?

Gal 4.1-7

4 Now I say, as long as the heir is a child, he does not differ at all from a slave although he is owner of everything, [SUP]2 [/SUP]but he is under guardians and managers until the date set by the father. [SUP]3 [/SUP]So also we, while we were children, were held in bondage under the elemental things of the world. [SUP]4 [/SUP]But when the fullness of the time came, God sent forth His Son, born of a woman, born under the Law, [SUP]5 [/SUP]so that He might redeem those who were under the Law, that we might receive the adoption as sons. [SUP]6 [/SUP]Because you are sons, God has sent forth the Spirit of His Son into our hearts, crying, “Abba! Father!” [SUP]7 [/SUP]Therefore you are no longer a slave, but a son; and if a son, then an heir through God.