Should women be silent in church and wear head coverings?

[pete9]

Pete, what's your take on using musical instruments during a church service?

The Bible says to use psalms and spiritual songs. A psalm is defined as involving an instrument, such as a psaltery. I know you'd like to pin me to the church of christ denomination, perhaps so I could be more easily attacked via that group, but I am non-denominational.

 

[Blain]

I judge by fruit. We're supposed to do that.
And I'm making a generalization of the church. If what I said doesn't apply to you....good for you (really). But if you openly reject the non-cultural reason why women are not supposed to be in authority over men then what I said may well apply to you.

What does it mean to you for a person to have authority over another?

 

[PHart]

What does it mean to you for a person to have authority over another?

To lead, to instruct, to take responsibility for, to care for, to protect....

 

[Dino246]

Anyone can teach a child the facts about Noah, and Abraham, etc. They aren't old enough to be taught the kinds of things the men in church leadership will teach them one day.

There are very few subjects which are inappropriate for children. Given that you have not even established the age at which boys become men, saying, "They aren't old enough" is condescending at best. If there is a junior Holy Spirit, the Bible knows nothing of him.

What we have lost grasp of in the modern church is the AUTHORITY that the pastor and elders once had over the lives of believers. Now, when a pastor or elder cheeses us off, we just go to another church. And forget about a pastor or elder actually exercising authority over a member of the church when they sin. That's a joke these days. But that's what God intended for them. We are the one's who have cast off the restraints and gone our own way into rebellion and rejection of sound doctrine.

Wow... you've visited every church and know this for certain? Well then, I better bite my sarcastic tongue instead of using it to point out how ridiculous and judgmental your generalization sounds. Maybe you need to find a better church instead of the one which has given you this viewpoint. Oh... wait... you can't, because that would be doing what you just described.

 

[Dino246]

The Bible says to use psalms and spiritual songs. A psalm is defined as involving an instrument, such as a psaltery. I know you'd like to pin me to the church of christ denomination, perhaps so I could be more easily attacked via that group, but I am non-denominational.

Your reference for this?

 

[Magenta]

No, it is in Paul's mind that the man is the more properly equipped to lead:

"12But I do not allow a woman to teach or exercise authority over a man, but to remain quiet.
14 ...it was not Adam who was deceived, but the woman being deceived, fell into transgression." (1 Timothy 2:12,14 NASB)

What part in the passage about Adam being more spiritually equipped to lead do you not understand?


And it's true, Adam willfully followed his lovely wife into death. He is a type of Christ who took his bride's sin on himself, too, in order that he and his bride (us) could be together and not separated by death.

What part of Adam's sin causing the whole of creation to fall do you not understand? Wanting to equate it to Jesus giving His life that we may be freed from the consequence of ADAM's sin seems quite a twist. Adam willfully SINNED. That does not make him more Spiritually equipped to lead. You are deceived to think so.

 

[PHart]

3But I want you to understand that Christ is the head of every man, and the man is the head of a woman, and God is the head of Christ. (1 Corinthians 11:3 NASB)

 

[PHart]

What part of Adam's sin causing the whole of creation to fall do you not understand? Wanting to equate it to Jesus giving His life that we may be freed from the consequence of ADAM's sin seems quite a twist. Adam willfully SINNED. That does not make him more Spiritually equipped to lead. You are deceived to think so.

Eve being deceived makes her less spiritually equipped to lead. Paul said so.

 

[PHart]

There are very few subjects which are inappropriate for children. Given that you have not even established the age at which boys become men, saying, "They aren't old enough" is condescending at best. If there is a junior Holy Spirit, the Bible knows nothing of him.



Wow... you've visited every church and know this for certain? Well then, I better bite my sarcastic tongue instead of using it to point out how ridiculous and judgmental your generalization sounds. Maybe you need to find a better church instead of the one which has given you this viewpoint. Oh... wait... you can't, because that would be doing what you just described.

Yes, isn't it wonderful how many churches are ordaining gays, for example, but let's not generalize, right?

 

[Sully]

Eve being deceived makes her less spiritually equipped to lead. Paul said so.

Is this what you are referring to?
2 Corinthians 11:3
am afraid, however, that just as Eve was deceived by the serpent’s cunning, your minds may be led astray from your simple and pure devotion to Christ.

 

[Blain]

To lead, to instruct, to take responsibility for, to care for, to protect....

But if what you say is true then why did God use the six prophetesses on ot?

 

[PHart]

But if what you say is true then why did God use the six prophetesses on ot?

I must have missed it. Did someone say a woman can not have a spiritual gift?

 

[pete9]

Who would have thought one would find such a contempt for the Bible in a "Christian" forum... such defense of another religion, such a contempt for leaders of the reformation..such.."scholarship".

So many people clearly can't differentiate between their own desires for psychological gratification and the driving of the Holy Spirit"..even when their desires match up lock step with 20th century western ideals..the same ideals believed in by the heathen.

Indulging in Hollywood one minute, vessel for the Holy Spirit in the next, and so much so that the apostle Paul, personally selected by Jesus, is ripe for bashing. It is pitiful. Beggars rags!

 

[PHart]

2 Corinthians 11:3
am afraid, however, that just as Eve was deceived by the serpent’s cunning, your minds may be led astray from your simple and pure devotion to Christ.

Oh, that's right. Only men being able to be in authority in the church means all men in authority are perfect leaders and beyond being able to be deceived. Yes, all these arguments are making it so we can ignore Paul's teaching about the authority of men over women in the church.

 

[pete9]

Wake up, foolish modern women. You'll never be men. You can want as badly as ever, it will not happen. And you know what, it's not so great anyway. The curse of the garden of eden went both ways. The weak women will apparently continually desire to be in control of men, and the weak men will never come to grips with morality or the difficulties of life. If you let your weakness control you such that you LIE on the Holy Spirit, you are heaping accursedness on your heads.

 

[Blain]

I must have missed it. Did someone say a woman can not have a spiritual gift?

Well the thing about a prophet or a prophetess is that they do exactly what you said one in authority does they lead instruct teach protect and care for others, if in fact women are to not do this then does this not go against the very thing you are teaching?

 

[PHart]

Well the thing about a prophet or a prophetess is that they do exactly what you said one in authority does they lead instruct teach protect and care for others, if in fact women are to not do this then does this not go against the very thing you are teaching?

Gee, and I thought Deborah was going to come up first.

 

[Sully]

you are highly educated aren't you?

Oh, that's right. Only men being able to be in authority in the church means all men in authority are perfect leaders and beyond being able to be deceived. Yes, all these arguments are making it so we can ignore Paul's teaching about the authority of men over women in the church.

 

[Magenta]

Eve being deceived makes her less spiritually equipped to lead. Paul said so.

You distort Scriptures and misrepresent what was actually said. For your information, it was because Adam was formed first.

 

[Blain]

Wake up, foolish modern women. You'll never be men. You can want as badly as ever, it will not happen. And you know what, it's not so great anyway. The curse of the garden of eden went both ways. The weak women will apparently continually desire to be in control of men, and the weak men will never come to grips with morality or the difficulties of life. If you let your weakness control you such that you LIE on the Holy Spirit, you are heaping accursedness on your heads.

You need to back off, If you think you can say whatever you want to people because you think yourself so right you have another thing coming. You can speak your views and debate them but slandering women especially in such an anti Christ like way is absolutely uncalled for, you shame yourself for speaking in such a manner.