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savedtoast

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Why do Christians fight over bible passages?

I've done it, but my conscience tells me this is not how to have a healthy relationship with someone.

Let's see if we can converse in this thread without using bible verses to validate our beliefs. Do you remember that, when you reasoned and objectified without having to smash someone over the head with bible verses.

Sometimes I don't like being a Christian.
 

loveme1

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Why do Christians fight over bible passages?

I've done it, but my conscience tells me this is not how to have a healthy relationship with someone.

Let's see if we can converse in this thread without using bible verses to validate our beliefs. Do you remember that, when you reasoned and objectified without having to smash someone over the head with bible verses.

Sometimes I don't like being a Christian.

Who would forbid scripture? You are in the Bible discussion forum...
 
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savedtoast

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Who would forbid scripture? You are in the Bible discussion forum...
Oh, I guess that's right.

But I think you might be missing the point of my OP.
 
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savedtoast

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We come to share and receive Scripture it is a delight...
Yes, but that's only one part of many things we Christians are capable of sharing.
 

loveme1

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Yes, but that's only one part of many things we Christians are capable of sharing.
That is why cc caters for all different discussions... but here we come for Bible discussion..

Anyhow, I will leave you be.
 
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Why do Christians fight over bible passages?

I've done it, but my conscience tells me this is not how to have a healthy relationship with someone.

Let's see if we can converse in this thread without using bible verses to validate our beliefs. Do you remember that, when you reasoned and objectified without having to smash someone over the head with bible verses.

Sometimes I don't like being a Christian.
Sometimes our own pride can blind us and by the grace of God we have to discuss our differences.

Paul was converted from the Jewish religion to being a Christian and he discussed it with his Jewish brethren every time he entered a synagogue. We have to discuss our different understandings of the word. The problem is many of us are not prepared to stop and listen to God but we stop and listen to our pastors.
 
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savedtoast

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Sometimes our own pride can blind us and by the grace of God we have to discuss our differences.

Paul was converted from the Jewish religion to being a Christian and he discussed it with his Jewish brethren every time he entered a synagogue. We have to discuss our different understandings of the word. The problem is many of us are not prepared to stop and listen to God but we stop and listen to our pastors.
Paul was trying to reach his lost people. Do you think CC is the same ad the synagogues that paul was visiting.

As for religious teachers, I can see how many bind their flock with strick adherence to rules. Conditioning them to act the same way towards people, so they can't think about Gods word for themselves.
 
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Paul was trying to reach his lost people. Do you think CC is the same ad the synagogues that paul was visiting.

As for religious teachers, I can see how many bind their flock with strick adherence to rules. Conditioning them to act the same way towards people, so they can't think about Gods word for themselves.
I don't know if Paul had internet connection, but CC was definitely not a website back then....
 
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Paul was trying to reach his lost people. Do you think CC is the same ad the synagogues that paul was visiting.

As for religious teachers, I can see how many bind their flock with strick adherence to rules. Conditioning them to act the same way towards people, so they can't think about Gods word for themselves.
Ummm, Paul was the apostle for the Gentiles. Why would gentiles be in synagogues? ;)

And, the problem was the "religious teachers" weren't adhering to "the rules." They created new rules to circumvent the Law, while appearing to be connected to the Law.

As far as what goes on BDF? Good news, bad news.

Good news -- you joined CC at a particularly bad week. Right now, BDF is catering to folks who circumvent God by talking about stuff about the Bible but not God. (Proper conduct for women as a scolding by a guy, "Phony Bible," dystopian fiction presented as the future for christians, and "I'll preach at you and you learn" despite not knowing anyone being preached to yet or being known by anyone.) It's just a particularly bad week for this. It gets better sometimes. Not much better, but better.

Bad news -- you seem to be one of the people who wants to preach at us before getting to know us.

Sometimes you don't like being a Christian? Why is that?
 

posthuman

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I don't know if Paul had internet connection, but CC was definitely not a website back then....
the chatrooms and forums are a communication network with all the membership being nodes. a model of the conversations and other interactions here is mathematically structured the same as though we were all in physical proximity and conversing either face to face, or via text message or call by phone.

but do we have supposed "
super-Christians" that stir up bickering and needless argument? even spreading heresy? Paul did too:

But I am afraid that just as Eve was deceived by the serpent’s cunning, your minds may somehow be led astray from your sincere and pure devotion to Christ. For if someone comes to you and preaches a Jesus other than the Jesus we preached, or if you receive a different spirit from the Spirit you received, or a different gospel from the one you accepted, you put up with it easily enough.
I do not think I am in the least inferior to those “super-apostles.”
I may indeed be untrained as a speaker, but I do have knowledge. We have made this perfectly clear to you in every way.

(2 Corinthians 11:3-5)​

there is certainly evidence in the NT epistles that congregations had "
contentions" and no lack of foolishness among them. the dumb things us sheep ((and the goats)) do aren't new; they may be amplified by how fast and ubiquitous communication is today, tho.
 
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Ummm, Paul was the apostle for the Gentiles. Why would gentiles be in synagogues? ;)

And, the problem was the "religious teachers" weren't adhering to "the rules." They created new rules to circumvent the Law, while appearing to be connected to the Law.

As far as what goes on BDF? Good news, bad news.

Good news -- you joined CC at a particularly bad week. Right now, BDF is catering to folks who circumvent God by talking about stuff about the Bible but not God. (Proper conduct for women as a scolding by a guy, "Phony Bible," dystopian fiction presented as the future for christians, and "I'll preach at you and you learn" despite not knowing anyone being preached to yet or being known by anyone.) It's just a particularly bad week for this. It gets better sometimes. Not much better, but better.

Bad news -- you seem to be one of the people who wants to preach at us before getting to know us.

Sometimes you don't like being a Christian? Why is that?
What exactly am I preaching, that if you don't believe what I say you'll risk going to hell, or if your not baptized you're not a Christian, or if you have uniquely different ideas about Jesus or God or the bible I'll block you?

Stuff like that, am I doing stuff like that to believers. Because the if I am I will leave this second.
 
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Ummm, Paul was the apostle for the Gentiles. Why would gentiles be in synagogues? ;)

And, the problem was the "religious teachers" weren't adhering to "the rules." They created new rules to circumvent the Law, while appearing to be connected to the Law.

As far as what goes on BDF? Good news, bad news.

Good news -- you joined CC at a particularly bad week. Right now, BDF is catering to folks who circumvent God by talking about stuff about the Bible but not God. (Proper conduct for women as a scolding by a guy, "Phony Bible," dystopian fiction presented as the future for christians, and "I'll preach at you and you learn" despite not knowing anyone being preached to yet or being known by anyone.) It's just a particularly bad week for this. It gets better sometimes. Not much better, but better.

Bad news -- you seem to be one of the people who wants to preach at us before getting to know us.

Sometimes you don't like being a Christian? Why is that?
Paul was preaching in synagogues and there were gentiles in tha synagogues as well, the early church was very close to the jews despite persecution. paul was suffering for the elect's sake so he could save a few of da israelites according to da flesh.

Acts 17:17 Therefore disputed he in the synagogue with the Jews, and with the devout persons, and in the market daily with them that met with him.

2Ti 2:10 Therefore I endure all things for the elect's sakes, that they may also obtain the salvation which is in Christ Jesus with eternal glory.

contrary to popular belief being elect doesnt always mean saved as one can see here. paul wants the elect to obtain salvation. there are also elect angels.
u are right that tha pharisees did circumvent da law by their own traditions.
dont know why discussing bible in the bible discussion forum is a problem. there is only so much u can talk about God without using the bible, try da local emergin church for that.
 
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the chatrooms and forums are a communication network with all the membership being nodes. a model of the conversations and other interactions here is mathematically structured the same as though we were all in physical proximity and conversing either face to face, or via text message or call by phone.

but do we have supposed "
super-Christians" that stir up bickering and needless argument? even spreading heresy? Paul did too:
But I am afraid that just as Eve was deceived by the serpent’s cunning, your minds may somehow be led astray from your sincere and pure devotion to Christ. For if someone comes to you and preaches a Jesus other than the Jesus we preached, or if you receive a different spirit from the Spirit you received, or a different gospel from the one you accepted, you put up with it easily enough.
I do not think I am in the least inferior to those “super-apostles.”
I may indeed be untrained as a speaker, but I do have knowledge. We have made this perfectly clear to you in every way.

(2 Corinthians 11:3-5)​

there is certainly evidence in the NT epistles that congregations had "
contentions" and no lack of foolishness among them. the dumb things us sheep ((and the goats)) do aren't new; they may be amplified by how fast and ubiquitous communication is today, tho.
My head is literally spinning after reading this.... :eek:
 
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Ummm, Paul was the apostle for the Gentiles. Why would gentiles be in synagogues? ;)
The Jews accused Paul of inviting the Gentiles to the synagogues...... that's why :p

Paul invited all and sunder to listen to him speak whoop whoop!!
 
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Why do Christians fight over bible passages?

I've done it, but my conscience tells me this is not how to have a healthy relationship with someone.

Let's see if we can converse in this thread without using bible verses to validate our beliefs. Do you remember that, when you reasoned and objectified without having to smash someone over the head with bible verses.

Sometimes I don't like being a Christian.
Why do we have Bible wars…?

For me it is quite simple, we do not use good Bible study discipline and techniques in a group forum. There are three things we do not do well at all.

- We do not pray sincerely to the spirit of truth to guide our studies and interactions with each other; even though we can only know people via their words in this forum. We must try and edify each other.

- We don’t following the rules of scripture interpretation and many do not know what I’m saying any way.

- We don’t follow etiquette rules of being patient and courteous in a group form.

We are always striving to get out points across as the only best ones. Listening can be of great value.

In Christ, Always
 
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pete9

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I think the root problem is that there is some point where a person is not a Christian just because they say they are. And that Christians are expected to figure that out (judge??) and to shun those types. The body of Christ is not to tolerate new body parts that have all of the appearance of hatred of Christ and the Bible. This is why the modern church is so questionable. Everything looks nice in our society when no one says anything that others don't like to hear. Sweet talk is praised above truth. I fear this will be basically mandated in the Communist future. The hard words of Martin Luther are now considered anti-semitism in the 20th century, and the dolly lama is held up by the masses as the pinnacle of human kindness.

Re-read the words of Jesus, and you will see that he was harsh. When those guys invited him to dinner, he thrashed them. The dolly lama would never do that. He literally thrashed in the temple. The dolly lama would not hurt a fly (except when your back is turned). Our society puts sweet talk above truth. And the truth is that regardless of people's feelings, a high standard indicates that many on this board are in a state of rebellion. Many push the religion that the Bible refers to as accursed. "We" are not all "Christian", and some stuff can't be tolerated. And so there will be sparks. The Bible is the right tool to use to determine which parts are on the body and which parts simply cannot be, regardless of their protestations, moans, and preaching.

For my part, my conscience tells me that it is wrong to remain silent, and be friendly, while others are trashing the gospel by pushing disobedience. That it is easy to have everyone like you, and hard to have everyone hate you.
It is my opinion that if the site were to ban anyone, they should start with extreme anti-Christian theology. It is because the modern church did NOT do that, that there are homosexual "preachers", etc.
 

BenFTW

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The reasons can vary, and some are justified reasons. This must however be done with meekness and respect. Truth prevails and we ought to have a passion for sharing it, for with it comes liberty. Some people's beliefs are a limitation to them, hindering them, and so when one enters the conversation it should be for the sake of sharing revelation, and praying that God opens their eyes to the truth and if they themselves have the truth then by God's mercy your own eyes are opened. The point is not to win an argument, often a forgotten ideal, but rather to lead them to the truth in love.
 
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Why do we have Bible wars…?

For me it is quite simple, we do not use good Bible study discipline and techniques in a group forum. There are three things we do not do well at all.

- We do not pray sincerely to the spirit of truth to guide our studies and interactions with each other; even though we can only know people via their words in this forum. We must try and edify each other.

- We don’t following the rules of scripture interpretation and many do not know what I’m saying any way.

- We don’t follow etiquette rules of being patient and courteous in a group form.

We are always striving to get out points across as the only best ones. Listening can be of great value.

In Christ, Always
Do Christians plan on doing this soon, because this would be evidence of a miracle.

Why is it that Christianity is turned into a by word.